From: Tech Sec Lab Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:37am Subject: RE: GPS tracking Check out the schematics on the Phrack newsletter, shows a basic jammer. http://www.phrack.org/show.php?p=60&a=13 Russian http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/wireless/gps_jam-pics.html As to AW's post, do you have any info on this composite pulse...links or research? Kind regards -Ois ********************* Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:23:58 -0500 From: Tensor66B@n... Subject: RE: GPS tracking system signal inhibitors Gentlemen, Obviously using such a device would be highly illegal. With a CW signal and 50 mW of RF power the jammer could be easily tracked within 1km using a conventional DF or even "fox hunt" handheld DF (By the way Cubic makes such DF with a similar application in mind). But more elegant jammers do exist. They use low power composite pulse signals. These jammers are practically not detectable from a distance more than 10 meters even with a dedicated equipment. For further technical details ask CIA or KGB. They have developed these devices for their respective diplomats. By the way even with CW signal you do not need 50 mW RF power to jam GPS receiver. For a SiRF and similar direct conversion receiver 50 microwatts would be enough. Even old Rockwell Navcore can be disabled with 5 mW. Well, this is not a "do it yourself" site as our moderator would say so I am closing down. Regards, A.W. 10618 From: Tech Sec Lab Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:25am Subject: FW: Tech Sec Group For anyone interested, Regards -Ois -----Original Message----- Maybe you can pass this onto interested parties, There is a Technical Security Professional Group, open to active professionals. Details are here: http://ocean-research.net/mailman/listinfo/c4i-l_ocean-research.net Registration is subject to verification. Cheers Sarah 10619 From: A Grudko Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:50pm Subject: RE: question about border -----Original Message----- > ...... legal issues in crossing international borders with certain TSCM equipment. David does not say what his country of origin is. He says 'our' borders but signs his post as 'david from 'paris' with a US .com address, so he might be from France or one of the 12 towns in the US. Nor does he name the country whose border he wishes to cross into. We also have a 'Paris' here in South Africa but it's spelled 'Parys'. So let's leave that out, but I frequently travel in 'back-hander' southern Africa with my TSCM equipment, sometimes for companies, sometimes for government departments, so if you are heading this way, here are some unofficial rules: Rule 1 : Find out the destination laws re. receivers, transmitters and technical equipment. There are always exceptions for specialists or government mandated companies but always have the correct written authority in your hand with certified copies at 'home'. Rule 2 : Make sure someone briefed and competent is at the end of a phone at home 24/7 in case a SNAFU is triggered by the awaiting customs officials Rule 3 : Have certified copies of proof of purchase for everything Rule 4 : If the airports customs you departed from offer to document technical/dutyable good before you leave, DO SO Rule 5 : Have a list of your destination contact's numbers so you can call them and they can explain to the airport officials why you are there and vouch for you Rule 6 : Have a lawyer fully briefed and on call. If you end up in a jail you want out ASAP under today's environment. Andy Grudko (British), DPM, Grad IS (South Africa) MIS/Grudko Associates, Est. 1981. PSIRA reg. No. 8642 www.grudko.com , agrudko@i... Pretoria HO (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) Branches: Sandton (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) Johannesburg (+27 11) 781 7206 - 781 7207(Fax) Mid Rand (+27 11) 318 1451 - 318 6846(Fax) Cellular (+27) 82 778 6355 - ICQ 146498943 SACI(Pres) SASA, IPA, WAD, CALI, UKPIN, IWWA. "When you need it done right - first time" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.816 / Virus Database: 554 - Release Date: 2004/12/14 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10620 From: Gregory Hicks Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:49pm Subject: Re: GPS Jammer > To: > From: "Hawkspirit" > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:36:11 -0800 > Subject: [TSCM-L] GPS Jammer > > > > > HYPERLINK > "http://www.phrack.org/phrack/60/p60-0x0d.txt"http://www.phrack.org/phra ck/6 > 0/p60-0x0d.txt > > Does anyone know how to decode the schematic? Cut off the text down to the BEGIN line. Ensure that the END line is still attached. Save to a file. On a Unix box, do "uudecode > Roger > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.12 - Release Date: 1/14/2005 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3479 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks@c... I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10621 From: The Price's Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:52pm Subject: RE: Icom IC-R3 and R20 I deal with a fellow named Pete Petola at www.bander.com he is out of the Netherlands. Both honest and fair. Shipping is quick and he likely has in stock the items you require. John -----Original Message----- From: Javier Villanueva [mailto:javier_vc1@y...] Sent: January 14, 2005 7:06 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Icom IC-R3 and R20 Hi List, I4ve been trying unsuccesfully to buy this equipment Online. All of the shops i4ve found replied they are "out of stock". If any of you sell these, offer "Special modified versions", or know where to find them, i4ll be grateful. Payment by credit card and express delivery to Mexico a big plus. Most probably this will be just the first buy, with more to come. Thank you very much guys. ===== Javier Villanueva C. Vcorp & Asociados Contraespionaje Electrsnico y Seguridad Informatica Tel. 01 (33) 36 19 47 09 cel. 044 333 392 64 50 msm. javier_vc@h... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Yahoo! Groups Links 10622 From: wiggyyy2000 Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:18am Subject: Re: identity theft is a major problem in America. a freind of mine used to work at a place where they do points, in other words when you get points for using your air miles visa or amex and he told me he had all the info of peoples cc and ssn, it was scary and they are not monitored like at the cc companies, so be carful when you sign up for those " perks" --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" wrote: > > > Dear Member > > It's no secret that identity theft is a major problem in America. > Think you're not at risk? Unfortunately you are. > > - Do you hand your credit card to servers at restaurants? > - Do you sign your credit cards? > - Do you supply personal information over the internet? > - Do you keep your Social Security number in your wallet or purse? > - Do you leave mail at your home or business for the postal carrier > to collect? > - Do you shred unwanted mail with personal information? > > > What if you discovered that your identity had been stolen? > - Call your bank and/or credit card company > - Contact the three major credit repositories > - Go through the helpful but extensive steps recommended by the > Federal Trade Commission in its 30-page consumer support publication > - Fill out and submit the affidavit form supplied by the FTC to > dispute new, unauthorized accounts > - Spend on average $1,500 in out-of-pocket expenses to resolve the > many problems cause by identity thieves > > WITH THE IDENTITY THEFT SHIELD: Get REGULAR monitoring of your credit > report and let the proven leaders in the identity restoration and > legal services fields assist you. > > With no obligation, you can view a short presentation and learn more > by visiting my website. 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Many countries have > regulations about possessing equipment which can receive frequencies other > than broadcast and most will have rules relating to radio transmission > equipment such as NLJDs. Standard ICT test equipment, such as multimeters > and butt sets, probably wouldn't attract too much attention but spectrum > analysers which reach into 10's of GHz might be subject to arms export > regulations (!). All in all, you'd need to check with the countries into > which you are importing the equipment - professional import/export handlers > may be able to assist. In the face of these risks, you're unlikely to have > any problems whatsoever travelling by road within the EU although airport > x-rays may result in a detailed inspection by customs! > > Andy M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "delta" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:57 PM > Subject: [TSCM-L] question about border > > > > > > > > hello everybody > > do you know if it is legal to pass the border with some tscm equipment ( > cpm700 oscor tdr etc ... ) or if we need a special > > authorisation to go outside our country ? > > may be the rules are different between some country ? > > many thanks > > david from paris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > =================================================== TSKS > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10624 From: wizardtradingcompany Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:07am Subject: Safecracking for the computer scientist Somebody mentioned Bruce Schneier & counterpane in a previous post. I didn't read it entirely, so this may be duplication. Anyway, here's what Schneier says about the paper below: It's a great paper, and it has completely pissed off the locksmithing community: 10625 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:02pm Subject: MI5 boss admits bugging Adams http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-523-1442540-523,00.html January 16, 2005 MI5 boss admits bugging Adams David Leppard THE head of MI5, Eliza Manningham-Buller, has admitted that British intelligence agents have been bugging Gerry Adams and other top Sinn Fein officials. Manningham-Buller told a closed meeting of the parliamentary intelligence and security committee before Christmas that MI5 had planted a sophisticated listening device at the head offices of Sinn Fein at Connolly House in Andersonstown, west Belfast. In the security service’s first formal acknowledgment of the bugging operation, MI5’s director-general told the committee, which monitors Britain’s intelligence services, “they [Sinn Fein officials] had to almost shred the office to find it”. The 5 ft device was found last September hidden in a floor joist at the headquarters of the party, which is the IRA’s political wing. Sinn Fein said at the time that two live microphones were found, one pointed towards the upstairs office and the other at a downstairs conference room. When the bugging was disclosed, Downing Street and the Northern Ireland Office declined to discuss the matter. But the find embarrassed Tony Blair who only days later had to face Adams, the party president, and other Sinn Fein officials for talks. Adams described the bug as “a serious act of bad faith” and “a violation of human rights”. He added: “The British make it very, very hard to make peace when this goes on . . . this is a violation of the peace process.” Manningham-Buller’s admission of the MI5 bugging operation comes as the peace process is under renewed threat because of the IRA’s alleged involvement in the £26.5m robbery at the Northern Bank last month. Hugh Orde, the chief constable of Northern Ireland, has said that “intelligence” has linked IRA leaders to the crime. The Connolly House bug was the latest in a series to have been found in property used by senior Sinn Fein and IRA members. Just a week earlier, a listening device had been found at the home of Paula McManus, who works in Adams’s west Belfast constituency offices. She is not suspected of any wrongdoing but her home was targeted because of her friendship with Martin Lynch, the adjutant-general of the IRA. He in turn is said to have met Bobby Storey, the IRA’s director of intelligence, at the flat. That bug consisted of a microphone, six battery packs and a transmitter. It was concealed in the beam in the loft of the flat, which could be accessed from a communal area at the front of the building. Adams and Martin McGuinness, the party’s chief negotiator, blamed Paul Murphy, the Northern Ireland secretary, for authorising the surveillance operation. In 1999, a sophisticated listening and tracking device worth £20,000 was found built into a car owned by Lynch. Adams and McGuinness said the car had been used to take them to meetings with the IRA leadership. The bugging occurred during the review of the Good Friday agreement by George Mitchell, the former US senator. The intelligence and security committee was set up by an act of parliament in 1994 as a watchdog for the intelligence services. It is chaired by Ann Taylor, the former Labour chief whip, and comprises senior MPs and one member of the House of Lords. It reports directly to the prime minister on the work of MI5, MI6 and GCHQ, the government’s eavesdropping agency. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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Over Espionage Case and Firing of Whistle-Blower By ERIC LICHTBLAU Published: January 15, 2005 ASHINGTON, Jan. 14 - The F.B.I. has failed to aggressively investigate accusations of espionage against a translator at the bureau and fired the translator's co-worker in large part for bringing the accusations, the Justice Department's inspector general concluded on Friday. In a long-awaited report that the Justice Department sought for months to keep classified, the inspector general issued a sharp rebuke to the F.B.I. over its handling of claims of espionage and ineptitude made by Sibel Edmonds, a bureau translator who was fired in 2002 after superiors deemed her conduct "disruptive." Ms. Edmonds, who translated material in Turkish, Persian and Azerbaijani, had complained about slipshod translations and management problems in the bureau's translation section and raised accusations of possible espionage against a fellow linguist. The report from the office of Glenn A. Fine, the Justice Department's inspector general, reached no conclusions about whether Ms. Edmonds's co-worker had actually engaged in espionage, and it did not give details about the espionage accusations because they remain classified. But officials have said Ms. Edmonds said the co-worker, a fellow Turkish linguist, had blocked the translation of material involving foreign acquaintances of hers who had come under suspicion. In general, Mr. Fine's investigation found that many of Ms. Edmonds's accusations "were supported, that the F.B.I. did not take them seriously enough and that her allegations were, in fact, the most significant factor in the F.B.I.'s decision to terminate her services." Ms. Edmonds's case has become a cause célèbre for critics who accused the bureau of retaliating against her and other whistle-blowers who have sought to expose management problems related to the campaign against terrorism. The American Civil Liberties Union joined her cause earlier this week, asking an appellate court to reinstate a whistle-blower lawsuit she brought against the government. The suit was dismissed last year after Attorney General John Ashcroft, invoking a rarely used power, declared her case to be a matter of "state secret" privilege, and the Justice Department retroactively classified a 2002 Congressional briefing about it. Responding to the investigation's calls for improvements in the management of translation services, the F.B.I. said Friday that it had taken steps to reorganize the operation and instituted "competency models" for hiring and training translators. A broader review by the inspector general released in September had found systematic problems in the F.B.I.'s translation capabilities and large backlogs in its translation of terrorism-related material. The F.B.I. also said Friday that it was continuing to investigate Ms. Edmonds's claims and restated its commitment to ensuring that whistle-blowers "who raise good faith concerns" do not face retaliation. Ms. Edmonds, for her part, said she viewed the inspector general's report as "an absolute vindication." "After all the delays in getting this story out, I wasn't expecting a lot," she said in an interview. "This report is certainly more than I expected, and I'm actually pretty pleased." Senators Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, a Democrat, and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, a Republican, who have been two of the F.B.I.'s toughest critics, said the report underscored their broader concerns about the bureau's treatment of dissenters, particularly on critical matters involving terrorism and espionage. "This report confirms that the F.B.I. failed to treat this case as seriously as the situation demanded," Mr. Leahy said. "It is unacceptable, and it deeply concerns us, that in the wake of the Robert Hanssen spy case, and in the months following Sept. 11, the F.B.I. failed to vigorously investigate these grave allegations." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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Check it out and visit the links-section where you find all traffic-cams in the world sorted by country or type (streaming-video / streaming-jpg's / stills) Learn about how video-signals are transported over the internet and how to embed video-cam screens on a webpage Check what the governments (departments of transportation) are looking at See how privacy is respected (or not) when they temporarely switch-off a camera when details or noticable. Or just take a virtual world-tour and visit some exotic countries like Hongkong,Brazil,Japan,Korea or just look at European or USA traffic-cams Some traffic-cam sytems just send dull non-moving pix ...with some javascript or html you can change those into dynamic movies (auto-refresh) Or combine a few traffic-cams with a local radio-scanner feed on 1 web-page to get the real feel of being in the control-room :) I have succeeded in embedding a web-page of my own inside the homepage of this Yahoo-group...so now you have live-video there ! Your welcome ! Greetings Tetrascanner Amsterdam The Netherlands W: www.tetrascanner.com 10628 From: Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:58pm Subject: Microphone wire I am looking for a good source of ultra thin screened mic wire Preferably in Europe anybody have any suggestions please Thanks Dave David McGauley TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L390HF UK 01695558544 07866206112 _demtec@a..._ (mailto:demtec@a...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10629 From: contranl Date: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:30am Subject: Re: Microphone wire . Maybe it's a good idea to use lets call it: "Differential Technique" Not shure if that is the right term but that will allow you to use non-screened wires just 2 wires ...any kind of wire ! the smallest that you could think of ! You take a mic...depending on the type you feed the audio to a circuit or a single chip made for that purpose. At the output you connect the 2 unscreened wires At the other end you feed it to a similar circuit wich reverses it back to non-differential. The resulting audio is the difference between the 2 wires, in other words you won't hear any interference from outside ...such as 50/60 hz hum or radiofrequent-interference since this interference reaches both wires there wont be a difference..the wanted audio will be heard ofcourse. This technique is also used to send video over unscreened wires ...over considerable distances ( miles !) It's also used in digital cellphones/GSM to avoid any interference (am-pulses)reaching the phone it's own audio-circuits. Therefore several specialised ic's are avialable to make "differential circuits" A condenser mic would need such a circuit on both ends A magnetic coil mic (little old fashioned :) ...only on the other end since it is already more or less "differential" but in that case you might need a impedance transformer...so better a condenser-mic with integrated amp (like most have) The point of all this is that you could use any wire that you want...no screen neccessary,it will allow you to use the smallest wire possible...maybe even conductive tape or paint ! You could even use any metal objects or constructions already available..like heating pipes or water-pipes...whatever, probably the 2 conductors should not be to far spaced from each other,cause that might introduce interference from a source not having the same distance to both wires. It's an interesting technique...i hope anyone can say something about it. Tetrascanner 10630 From: Date: Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:03am Subject: Re: Re: Microphone wire In a message dated 16/01/2005 14:31:13 GMT Standard Time, contranl@y... writes: . Maybe it's a good idea to use lets call it: "Differential Technique" Not shure if that is the right term but that will allow you to use non-screened wires just 2 wires ...any kind of wire ! the smallest that you could think of ! You take a mic...depending on the type you feed the audio to a circuit or a single chip made for that purpose. At the output you connect the 2 unscreened wires At the other end you feed it to a similar circuit wich reverses it back to non-differential. The resulting audio is the difference between the 2 wires, in other words you won't hear any interference from outside ...such as 50/60 hz hum or radiofrequent-interference since this interference reaches both wires there wont be a difference..the wanted audio will be heard ofcourse. This technique is also used to send video over unscreened wires ...over considerable distances ( miles !) It's also used in digital cellphones/GSM to avoid any interference (am-pulses)reaching the phone it's own audio-circuits. Therefore several specialised ic's are avialable to make "differential circuits" A condenser mic would need such a circuit on both ends A magnetic coil mic (little old fashioned :) ...only on the other end since it is already more or less "differential" but in that case you might need a impedance transformer...so better a condenser-mic with integrated amp (like most have) The point of all this is that you could use any wire that you want...no screen neccessary,it will allow you to use the smallest wire possible...maybe even conductive tape or paint ! You could even use any metal objects or constructions already available..like heating pipes or water-pipes...whatever, probably the 2 conductors should not be to far spaced from each other,cause that might introduce interference from a source not having the same distance to both wires. It's an interesting technique...i hope anyone can say something about it. Tetrascanner ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! _Click Here!_ (http://us.click.yahoo.com/Tcy2bD/SOnJAA/cosFAA/UBhwlB/TM) --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Yahoo! Groups Links I spoke to an engineer years ago who tried this technique using fairly simple audio equipment and had very varying results I will try it out for myself and let you know how I get on many thanks for the info Regards Dave David McGauley TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L390HF UK 01695558544 07866206112 demtec@a... (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10631 From: Gerald Date: Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:23am Subject: Just a matter of time. Few months ago I posted a note about how firewalls and Anti-virus and sweepers don't do the job. How webcams and headsets can be turned into bugs remotely. I took alot of heat for my article but every thing I said has been covered in the news since then. Even the FBI retires its Carnivore, to use other software available online. There are more than 2,500 software vulnerabilities found every year according to the Sans Instutite. There are rootkits, attack bots and automated exploit testers out there now. And its just a matter of time before they are combined. Which has implications for terrorism and criminals. Id theft runs around $10 billion dollars a year now. I view our security systems like a NET.It has to allow info in and you out to view web pages. Most people use just three nets,firewall, anti-virus and a sweeper, not that difficult to get through. We add 5 more nets and connect them. This makes it more probable that I will catch and stop an attack. Info here. http://cigars.bravepages.com/newbullet2.htm Gerald Chief Forensics Fraud Investigator (tracking & Research) 10632 From: delta Date: Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:28am Subject: answer about border hello to the group and many thanks to robin , oisin , contrant , andy , and other who joined me by private mail i work in paris capital (france) and i need to travel to switzerland but only with a cpm700 and tdr , nothing else for the moment . i m going to contact the border to obtain the rules about crossing with this equipment. i travel with a car or by train but not by airplane. of course when i travel i don t bring with me my scanner and when it is possible i left the spectrum analyseur hp 8560a at my office for andy ( and other on this list ) if you want to see my website but in french language you have to go here http://www.deltafrance.com many thanks to everybody for my question about the border david from paris france europe ... lol 10633 From: G P Date: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:12pm Subject: Re: Intersting doodad: Bumblebee Wireless spectrum analyzer.... I own a Yellowjacket with the optional Stinger for DF, it's a very nice piece of equipment and the only thing out there (that I'm aware of) that will DF 802.11 gear based on the data link layer. It starts sniffing for wireless APs, then you can punch down into the AP you're interested in and DF it, the unit sounds like a Geiger counter with an on-screen display for signal strength and attenuation etc. Unlike most of the other handheld sniffers, the BV stuff is truly a separate piece of discrete logic, the IPAQ is only used for the GUI and associated interfacing and has nothing to do with the actual RF section and spectrum capture and analysis. The Bumblebee is supposed to be a lower-cost version of the Yellowjacket (sub $2500 without the IPAQ and Stinger DF), plus the Bumblebee can do all ISM (including 900 Mhz), Bluetooth, 802.11, and the 5 Ghz UNII band. I wanted the Bumblebee instead of the Yellowjacket, but at the time it was still 3-6 months before the Bumblebee was due to be released so I went with the Yellowjacket Stinger setup instead. Make sure you get the Stinger option if you buy it, the DF aspect of it is worth the extra $250 for the directional antenna array. Very very nice and high-quality gear, and Berkeley Viatronics is a great company to work with - well worth the price IMHO. --- Dragos Ruiu wrote: > > > Anyone used one of these and care to share any > experience: > > http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/WLAN/BumbleBee/bumblebee.htm > > Looks like an interesting gadget, tough I haven't > found out > yet if they want a ridiculous amount of money for > it. > > It would also be interesting to find out if they > could produce a > variant with a wider sweep range/more agile front > end.... > > (I'm on a quest to find WLAN node directional > locators... > specifically to find out which out of a few hundred > laptops > in a big room has a particular mac address and is > messing > around to other's detriment...) > > thanks, > --dr > > -- > World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, > and Techniques > Vancouver, CanadaMay 4-6 2005 > http://cansecwest.com > pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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If you need to do surveys like you > mention, you can do > with AirMagnet and a Cisco 350 card with MMCX > antenna jacks - then you > can connect a small 2.4GHz handheld yagi and > attenuators to it, and do > the hunting. AirMagnet costs some $2.5k last I > looked, but it's quite an > impressive little package, I have seen it operating > and I have used it > quite a few times myself. > > The BumbleBee does not demodulate data at all, which > means that you > cannot really tie a signal to a particular > computer/MAC address without > further manual inspection. With AirMagnet you can > set a filter to > capture only packets coming from a particular MAC > address, and thus hunt > for it in confidence. > > If you are not concerned about using commercial > tools, you can flash an > iPAQ with Linux and use the vast array of tools > available for it. > > Regards, > > Mike > > Dragos Ruiu wrote: > > > > Anyone used one of these and care to share any > experience: > > > > > http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/WLAN/BumbleBee/bumblebee.htm > > > > Looks like an interesting gadget, tough I haven't > found out > > yet if they want a ridiculous amount of money for > it. > > > > It would also be interesting to find out if they > could produce a > > variant with a wider sweep range/more agile front > end.... > > > > (I'm on a quest to find WLAN node directional > locators... > > specifically to find out which out of a few > hundred laptops > > in a big room has a particular mac address and is > messing > > around to other's detriment...) > > > > thanks, > > --dr > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Thanks for the info, best regards, Mike G P wrote: > Maybe you used an older version, the Yellowjacket can > definitely inspect the data link layer on up, and home > in on a signal for direction finding based on MAC and > IP address. The Yellowjacket smokes AirMagnet for DF > applications, no comparison - you have to have an > array of AirMagnets to triangulate and the BV stuff > does it all from one handheld device. > > --- Michael Puchol wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I've yet to either see one operating or know of >>someone that has one or >>has seen one operating. I believe this device to be >>more a stunt for the 10636 From: Tech Sec Lab Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:31am Subject: RE: Mic Wire David When I worked with satellite hardware design and we had to interface boards we always converted the cmos logic to differential voltage. Its standard practice for space applications where emi can piss around with levels. So if its good enough for that I'm sure it should work well with audio. However for surveillance you can forget about it usually because: You will need a converter at the mic end which will require the space of a pcb and power for it. So pointless if you're doing a covert mic. Fine if you need to use it as a repeater for ultra long runs. Regards -Ois ********************** I spoke to an engineer years ago who tried this technique using fairly simple audio equipment and had very varying results I will try it out for myself and let you know how I get on many thanks for the info Regards Dave David McGauley TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L390HF UK 01695558544 07866206112 demtec@a... (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) 10637 From: Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:17am Subject: Re: Mic Wire In a message dated 17/01/2005 14:33:31 GMT Standard Time, tscmteam@o... writes: David When I worked with satellite hardware design and we had to interface boards we always converted the cmos logic to differential voltage. Its standard practice for space applications where emi can piss around with levels. So if its good enough for that I'm sure it should work well with audio. However for surveillance you can forget about it usually because: You will need a converter at the mic end which will require the space of a pcb and power for it. So pointless if you're doing a covert mic. Fine if you need to use it as a repeater for ultra long runs. Regards -Ois ********************** I spoke to an engineer years ago who tried this technique using fairly simple audio equipment and had very varying results I will try it out for myself and let you know how I get on many thanks for the info Regards Dave David McGauley TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L390HF UK 01695558544 07866206112 demtec@a... (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) ======================================================== Many Thanks for that I will go ahead and have a go anyway see what sort of results I get. Still no luck with the actual screened wire though Thanks again for taking the trouble to reply Best Regards Dave David McGauley TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L390HF UK 01695558544 07866206112 demtec@a..._ www.demtec.co.uk_ (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10638 From: Tech Sec Lab Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 0:42pm Subject: MI5 boss admits bugging Adams http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1442540,00.html Hmmm, I do recall quite a few people on the list, who shall remain nameless(archives...hehe).... Pretty much bet their lives in conviction that there was no way that the device was planted by the UK Gov. So, maybe, they would explain to me why the Gov would admit to doing something that they didn't actually do....? :) 10639 From: Daryl Adams, CISSP Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:55am Subject: WFFF This may be of interest to some. More features in the pipe. Stay tuned. http://wififofum.org 10640 From: scott4957 Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:53am Subject: Re: Just a matter of time. Gerald, Very true, I have experimented with many free programs that allow you to use someone's webcam or mic remotely over the internet without any sign they are being used. My best advice is to keep them disconnected when not in use. Simple software firewalls are much to easy to circumvent, they cannot be trusted. I'm surprised you took heat for saying such a thing, this type of software as been available to the public for many years, there is no doubt in my mind that much more advanced software exists. All this can be done remotely, imagine the possibilities with access to the host computer. RS --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald" wrote: > > > Few months ago I posted a note about how firewalls and Anti-virus and sweepers don't do the job. How webcams and headsets can be turned into bugs remotely. I took alot of heat for my article but every thing I said has been covered in the news since then. Even the FBI retires its Carnivore, to use other software available online. There are more than 2,500 software vulnerabilities found every year according to the Sans Instutite. There are rootkits, attack bots and automated exploit testers out there now. And its just a matter of time before they are combined. Which has implications for terrorism and criminals. Id theft runs around $10 billion dollars a year now. I view our security systems like a NET.It has to allow info in and you out to view web pages. Most people use just three nets,firewall,anti-virus and a sweeper, not that difficult to get through. We add 5 more nets and connect them. This makes it more probable that I will catch and stop an attack. Info here. http://cigars.bravepages.com/newbullet2.htm Gerald Chief Forensics Fraud Investigator (tracking & Research) 10641 From: scott4957 Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:12am Subject: Re: Icom IC-R3 and R20 Suncom Inc (786) 621-1304 Miami FL They used to sell Asian versions of the R20. RS --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, Javier Villanueva wrote: > > Hi List, > I´ve been trying unsuccesfully to buy this equipment > Online. All of the shops i´ve found replied they are > "out of stock". > > If any of you sell these, offer "Special modified > versions", or know where to find them, i´ll be > grateful. > > Payment by credit card and express delivery to Mexico > a big plus. Most probably this will be just the first > buy, with more to come. > > > Thank you very much guys. > > ===== > Javier Villanueva C. > Vcorp & Asociados > Contraespionaje Electrónico y > Seguridad Informática > Tel. 01 (33) 36 19 47 09 > cel. 044 333 392 64 50 > msm. javier_vc@h... > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 10642 From: satcommunitfive Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:27pm Subject: Re: Once more into the breach I have a AOR 8600 mark2 and it`s full of birdies ps new AOR looks intersting SR2000 link > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/AOR-SR2000/files/sr2000-info-e.pdf bewell 10643 From: contranl Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:33pm Subject: Re: Mic Wire . Demtec says: > You will need a converter at the mic end which will require the > space of a pcb and power for it. So pointless if you're doing a > covert mic A pc board would not be neccessary since the whole circuit would be no bigger than a 8 pin SMD IC wich is the size of a match-head. something like this ## maybe this you could glue that to the back of a 3-pin condenser-mic ...only addition would be a 0.1 uF capacitor wich you need to separate the audio from the power-supply wich is send over the 2 wire line too. Here is such an IC (Integrated Circuit) also available in SMD size look at the application circuits at the bottom of nthe pdf and see how practically no extra components are needed: http://www.analog.com/productSelection/pdf/ad830.pdf This one does up to 10 Mhz ...that could be 2 videocameras ! A Google search shows that they come with ranges over 200 mHz ! You could send the signals of a complete 10-camera-video-surveillance-network to the other side of the building or street...over just 2 practical invisible wires ! Or maybe you could get a little condenser-microphone with a built-in differential output !? don't know if they exist, maybe from a cellular phone ? Now that i think of it the smallest shielded microphone-cable that i have seen must be those that are used for small headphones like the ones used with portable cd-players/mp-3 players. Specially Sony uses a cable with 2 thin and shielded wires ...the funny thing is that they are not completly metallic, they use some kind of conducting rubber. Next problem ....how to get those in 20 meter lengths ? :( Don't know what length you need but one 15$ headphone will give you at least 2 x 1,5 meters Maybe you dont need the whole length like that but just there where the wires need to be "invisible" In addition ...here is a coax >> twisted-pair converter (balun) for video-signals wich could be used at both ends of a piece of cable that should be hidden or "invisible" The 2 boxes you could put in a convenient place out of sight. http://www.spytown.com/twpavitr.html To be honest i have no real-life experience with this "differential" bugging stuff...just theory :) Interested in the matter i spend an hour or so searching the internet for "thin shielded microphone cable" but that did'nt give any good results. Maybe "Farnell" (Europe) have such a cable ? Last idea: ...just try a piece of unshielded wire and a condenser-mic about the same length as you will use later,do some experiments (amplification or hum-filters ) maybe it that fine enough. Have fun ! Ps) By the way...the purpose of this would be to hide a microphone cable...as much as possible ? Tetrascanner 10644 From: G P Date: Tue Jan 18, 2005 0:09am Subject: Re: Intersting doodad: Bumblebee Wireless spectrum analyzer.... Yes the BV stuff is not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, the Yellowjacket setup with DF Stinger was more than $4K. The Bumblebee uses a different front end than the Yellowjacket, so the manufacturing process is supposed to be cheaper - although with the GPS option and Stinger, it's probably approaching $4K still. Great tool for detecting and locating rogue APs though, very relevant for site audits and WLAN security in general. --- Michael Puchol wrote: > > Hi, > > Great to hear it's a good product! As I mentioned, I > know a couple of > people who inquired a few years ago, and were given > rather vague > responses at the time, and since then I've not heard > about the device. > > I have used a single AirMagnet + iPAQ to > triangulate, basically in the > old traditional way of aiming a directional antenna, > attenuating, > moving, repeat a few times. > > Not knowing the current prices, I can imagine that > if they charge $1000 > for an internal GPS receiver option (GPS boards now > cost around $50), > the prices for the whole kit will still be rather > high. > > Thanks for the info, best regards, > > Mike 10645 From: Date: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:52am Subject: Tetrascanner Advice Many Thanks again for your reply and some excellent ideas. Simple micro shielded wire does seem difficult to obtain. The best I can do here in the UK is 1.5mm o/d single screen grey fairly low quality from CPC [order number CBBR 4177]. Further to some recent discussions re RFID detection the ELEKTOR ELECTRONICS MAGAZINE Feb 2005 has printed an excellent article named RFID frenzy and a project RFID Detector for 13.56 Mhz.I have not had time to assimilate all the details but seems well worth a look. The mag has a website _www.elektor-electronics.co.uk_ (http://www.elektor-electronics.co.uk) Regards to all Dave David McGauley TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L390HF UK 01695558544 07866206112 demtec@a..._ www.demtec.co.uk_ (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10646 From: Cristian Date: Tue Jan 18, 2005 0:44pm Subject: second hand Any Oscor and Orion in second hand there? A friend of mine, with tight budget, wants them. Cristian