From: SEAL Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 5:48pm Subject: CIA enemyatthegate007 wrote: >how does the cia find agents?i have read and seen documents but are >they true?i know its a hush hush agency and i know they employ >engineers,chemist,bio etc..and have a huge web site but what about >other agents like espionage or other agents that just do spying.just >wondering. > > james jones > EPS www.bodyguardinc.com On the same path I am also curious regarding employment of Assets. I have always wanted to work for the Company as an agent but my Filipino citizenship forbids me. As I have no interest in p.i. work and law enforcement and operations in counterterrorism, drugtrade and criminal investigation/apprehension so my options are quite limited. However the CIA's sacrificial attitude in the use of assets is also a great cause of concern. Any thoughts on how to get into the "espionage" biz? What other intelligence services could be more "foreigner-friendly"? Another track I could take is to get a greencard by marriage and take up an intelligence related course or any course for that matter in a U.S. university then apply at the CIA. I am now 25 and working on my MBA thesis but I doubt if my Philippine Undergrad/Graduate degree would be given credit, hence the need to acquire a US degree which is required of all clandestine services applicants(?) Given the fact that I still have 10 years (35) to execute my plans, I am still looking for alternatives which I hope are "simpler" --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4654 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 10:43pm Subject: Re: CIA Once upon a midnight dreary, SEAL pondered, weak and weary: > On the same path I am also curious regarding employment of > Assets. I have always wanted to work for the Company as an agent > but my Filipino citizenship forbids me. If you have a skill or some sort of capability they need, they will find a way to put you on. Criminal records, drug addiction, questionable loyalty and a lot of other things don't get in the way of them employing someone who has something they want. You may not go on the official payroll with a full slate of formal bennies, but they can do it if they want to. ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 4655 From: William Knowles Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 8:45pm Subject: Re: CIA remorse On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Men in black helicopters forced enemyatthegate007 to write: > how does the cia find agents?i have read and seen documents but > are they true?i know its a hush hush agency and i know they employ > engineers,chemist,bio etc..and have a huge web site but what about > other agents like espionage or other agents that just do > spying.just wondering. The CIA agent John Spann that was killed was a U.S.M.C. Captain before becoming a field operative. Try CIA the website... http://www.odci.gov/cia/employment/ciaeindex.htm While you're at it, you can try some of the rest of the U.S. intelligence community. National Security Agency http://www.nsa.gov/programs/employ/ Defense Intelligence Agency http://www.dia.mil/Careers/index.html Federal Bureau of Investigation http://www.fbijobs.com National Imagery and Mapping Agency http://www.nima.mil/poc/employ.html U.S. Department of State http://www.state.gov/employment/ - WK *==============================================================* "Communications without intelligence is noise; Intelligence without communications is irrelevant." Gen Alfred. M. Gray, USMC ================================================================ C4I.org - Computer Security, & Intelligence - http://www.c4i.org *==============================================================* 4656 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 0:50am Subject: RE: Re: CIA [Steve Uhrig] You may not go on the official payroll with a full slate of formal bennies, but they can do it if they want to. [Matthew Paulsen] Sometimes this is as easy as being employed by a corp that is contracted with another corp that is contracted with them. I've had this exposure more than once to various agencies at various levels - eg: OSDOC, state, DISA/DITCO & DSS mil (under DoD). Still the same work, you just don't get the shiny tin star but there are less tangible benefits to this sort of employment and you tend to make really good money really fast since the budgets are extraordinarily high with very little accountability for what you're doing. Example - One place blew $125,000+ on 2 compaq 6000 servers for 7 developers (+ dev time, my team, infrastructure, transportation, etc.). Total waste of cash for what they were doing, but at $960/hr, I'm hard pressed to make a complaint with the accountant about the purchasing practices of the government. 4657 From: Dr. Pepper Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:46am Subject: RE: Re: CIA In another life, , , , , , , , , , , In 1961, I was returning to the States from the Panama Canal Zone, and on a stopover at Guatemala City, I met an American guy at the Airport bar, and during the conversation, I mentioned that I had recently got out of the USAF, He asked me what my specialty was, and when I told him that I was a crew chief and flight engineer on B-26 aircraft, he offered me a job right on the spot. The Pay was $1000 per month, and since that was BiiiiiG money back then, and I was unemployed, I took him up on it. I spent a month living in tents in the bush at a mud airfield, living with snakes and very big spiders. I rapidly tired of this life, and took the supply truck back to G city on the next payday, and gave it up. The following day, The Guardia Nationale raided the camp and put everyone in jail. I missed that by a day. I didn't find out till much later that this was a CIA operation supporting the Bay of Pigs raid. I got my thousand bucks, but that's all. Oh well, such is life, , , , , , , Ron C. ====================================== -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Paulsen [mailto:mpaulsen6@a...] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 10:50 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Re: CIA [Steve Uhrig] You may not go on the official payroll with a full slate of formal bennies, but they can do it if they want to. [Matthew Paulsen] Sometimes this is as easy as being employed by a corp that is contracted with another corp that is contracted with them. I've had this exposure more than once to various agencies at various levels - eg: OSDOC, state, DISA/DITCO & DSS mil (under DoD). Still the same work, you just don't get the shiny tin star but there are less tangible benefits to this sort of employment and you tend to make really good money really fast since the budgets are extraordinarily high with very little accountability for what you're doing. Example - One place blew $125,000+ on 2 compaq 6000 servers for 7 developers (+ dev time, my team, infrastructure, transportation, etc.). Total waste of cash for what they were doing, but at $960/hr, I'm hard pressed to make a complaint with the accountant about the purchasing practices of the government. ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 4658 From: Hawkspirit Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:12am Subject: Re: Un-identified problem From: "Steve Uhrig" Subject: Re: Un-identified problem Once upon a midnight dreary, Brad Hayes pondered, weak and weary: > Prior to moving a couple of months ago, someone was ringing > her doorbell early in the morning on a fairly consistent > basis. She moves to the opposite side of town and the very > next morning, her doorbell rings, again early in the > morning.(6:00 a.m). A couple of days ago,she contacts me and > says her doorbell rang on Sunday morning (8:00 a.m.) but > nobody is at the door. Since it is unlikely she would move her doorbell from one house to the other, it seems highly unlikely any technical problems relating to the doorbell hardware would be the cause. Since you are already running video tape in association with the video cameras, also run a microphone to the vicinity of the doorbell so the ring, if it happens gets on the audio. You may not want to tell the client and just do it. Then when you get the ring report and it is not on the audio track the gig is up. An in between the ear maintenance check is next. Roger 4659 From: ki4je Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:50am Subject: Re: Un-identified problem Could either car have been a news paper delivery? Chucking the paper out of the window or just dropping a heavy Sunday paper in the driveway? 4660 From: Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 1:35pm Subject: Re; Unidentified problem Once my aunts,who lived alone, apartment manager was sneaking into her residence at 5am in the morning and stealing things. He would look through the mail slot in the front door for an all clear ,while my aunt slept in the back room. All the relatives thought she was imagining things, or just misplacing items, "Poor Aunt Emma is losing it!". That is,until i happened to sleep overnite at her place , while she was in the hospital, to keep an eye on things and give her moral support. Sure enough, a little after 5 the mail slot opened and so did my eyes ,as i was sleeping on the couch. The manager denied everything, but after a short chase , the mystery was solved and my aunt was given a clean bill of healthy mind! Moral ; If they pay the fee, give the complainer,the benefit of the doubt,for free ! Either that or make them a nice aluminum foil conical hat ,to stop mind control radio waves! :>) HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede, a significant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced. : >) 4661 From: Aimee Farr Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:22pm Subject: RE: Re: CIA > living with snakes and very big > spiders. Fears The Harris Poll. July 15-20, 1999. N=1,015 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (total sample). THESE RESPONSES INDICATE PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY AFRAID (ALL Men Women) snakes 36 22 49 looking down from a great height 23 13 32 flying on an airplane 14 7 20 being alone in a forest 13 4 22 spiders and insects 12 4 19 mice 10 2 18 thunder and lightning 5 2 7 being alone in your home at night 3 1 5 being alone in an elevator 3 1 5 being in a big crowd of people 3 2 3 dogs 2 1 4 going out of your home at night 2 1 3 This why the snake is a good metaphor for treason, and why it's in those NCIX posters. No. 1-2 in most polls is the fear of public speaking, which is a fear with relevance to the recent loon discussions. You deal with people that seem "paranoid." This is a fear of normalcy. It's the technological equivalent of the fear of public speaking -- the fear of exposure, working off shame (the most powerful human emotion). _People are monitored_ at their worksites and everywhere they go. It's a sensitizing experience. Securing your services can be a sign of mental health, because these people are actually willing to take risk to address their fears. Also, the power of human perception is great. It could be that something is wrong somewhere, and they picking up signals in their environment, and translating it into a fear of surreptitious surveillance. They just need you to help them look in the right place. People use these metaphors in sales pitches to frame emotion, and as embedded commands to affect decision-making. If you give somebody the impression they are crawling with vipers, 36% of people will pay any amount to have you take care of the problem. Same thing with public speaking, which triggers fears of exposure. "They hide in the grass." (snake sublim) "Let's step back, and take a long look down at the problem." (fear of heights) "We certainly don't want your desk turned into a podium for a daily public address, do we?" (exposure) I realize this is snarky and ill-framed. But you get my point. Fear sales tactics are dangerous. Most of you come from tech-sci backgrounds, so you're very logical. Logic never got anybody to do a damn thing. People misperceive risk. "Showing" the risk, does not work. Logic does not overcome resistance, it enhances it. The immediate reaction of people to an argument or pressure is to prepare counterarguments. The more time they have to prepare, the more resistance you face. (This is one reason some reception rooms have distraction ploys.) Security practitioners that can use these tactics can better effect change and influence decision-makers. ~Aimee Embedded: "deal with people," "need to look," "take care of the problem," "you're very logical," "you face high resistance," ...."effect change and influence decision-makers." 4662 From: Agent Lovato Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 1:33pm Subject: RE: computer question As far as remotely powering on/off a computer in anyones house it is a relatively simple task by default. By default, for years now computers have been shipping from the manufacturer with the bios set to, "wake on ring". So, if this were the case with the Ames computer all one needs to know is the phone # of the jack the computers modem is plugged in. Then just hack away to gain entrance. The other computers in the house were most likely not networked at the time and he most likely used this computer to telecommute and email etc.. It may have been more complicated but I doubt it. Although, the technology mentioned by Matthew Paulsen does exist and has been being worked on since at least the 1960's that I am aware of. Transmission of data over a carrier wave is not much different than the concept of shortwave radio with its side band frequencies. anyway, thats me 3cents. Matthew Paulsen wrote: The Ames case goes back to February, 1994 with Aldrich Ames, a counterintelligence officer with the CIA. In February, 1997 Ames plead guilt to committing espionage for Russia. From what I've been exposed to, various government and private groups have been developing alternative measure to pass information through alternate methods such as power lines and water, such as IC/SS PLC/SS circuits. IE:Intel, Itron, National Semi, Rockwell, Motorola, Cyplex, Daewoo, Now defunct Enron (and subsidiaries and subcontractors), etc. Power line theory for transmission of information for intercommunication between generating stations, substations and control rooms holds that this sort of espionage is feasible at lower levels down to the receiving devices - such as remote espionage of consumer television sets, etc. Further, this could be used for non-compliant networks which are operating antiquated systems - C64, Altos, TSR 80's, etc. Remote power switches are available commerically, so it is conceivable that one was used, but it would have to be planted and integrated into a LAN/WAN connection or remote dialup/LAN connection to work, or chips / circuits (ie: a board is installed in the PC, station, remote manager, etc). Baud rates vary depending on who you talk to as well as data transmission distances - I've seen 300bps to 1gb/s at distances of a few hundred yards to worldwide, and phy being water, fiber, cable, PL, etc. Outside this range, there are microchip capable devices that are available with no power supply source that are attachable, injected, injested, that can be worn, carried, etc, but this would not provide the scope of services that you are describing, and they are only for intermittent use, but are capable of being interfaced via RF and then to LAN/WAN for public transmission through PPTP / HTTP, etc over IP, IPX, whatever, for global communication. I've worked on some systems that have provided PL monitoring from centralize base stations for power utilities for automated billing and other services - downtimes, line failures, etc, which can be automated to interoperate with MRP/ERP systems and other systems, so it's not a hard feat to take that integration and migrate it from consumer/commerical applications to industrial and government espionage services. Minature digital transceivers based on these technologies are under development, and in use by some organizations, federal and otherwise. Normally though, it's easier to plant a trojan to access the system and manage remote booting, kslogging, etc, microphones, and any cameras if present. Guess it comes down to... It's easier, cheaper, and more reliable - "engineers viewpoint - It's not broken, so lets add more to it, vs 'normal' person viewpoint - it's not broken, so don't fix it" being a reasonable assumption. But, in the world of unlimited budgets without justification for expenses... who knows. Probably not much of an answer, but it's a start. If anyone else has other information, I'd be happy to find out what others have used/seen beyond what I have. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Hughes [mailto:srh@e...] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:32 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] computer question I'm sitting here watching a show on cable ( I know). They are discussing the encroachment of surveillance by the gov against citizens. One detail they gave was on the Ames case. They stated that the FBI was remotely powering on Ames home computer, then subsequently removed data from, and powered it back down via the residential power lines. I am a little skeptical, unless they put a black box inside his pc. For instance, what kept ALL pc's on that transformer circuit from waking up? But, I am low on the knowledge base totem pole. What say ye, experts? Thanks! Shawn Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4663 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:46pm Subject: A spy thriller may be unfolding in New Jersey. http://www.nypost.com/business/38198.htm FBI RAIDS N.J. HIGH-TECH FIRM By CHRISTOPHER BYRON January 26, 2002 -- EXCLUSIVE A spy thriller may be unfolding in New Jersey. In a startling pre-dawn sweep of homes and offices yesterday morning, agents of the FBI fanned out through South Plainfield and surrounding towns to serve grand jury subpoenas on an estimated 20 different employees and officials of a Chinese-linked high-tech company named Multiplex, Inc. The subpoenas are thought to be related to a civil suit filed last August against Multiplex, Inc. by Agere Systems, Inc., the chip-making giant that is now in the process of being spun off from Lucent Technologies, Inc. Agere charged in the suit that Multiplex, Inc. had stolen various chips and related property from it as well as infringed on four of its patents. Several phone calls seeking comment from Multiplex, Inc. were not returned. But sources at the company said Multiplex has grown rapidly in the last year, and at least one of the company's top-selling items - something known as an EML Laser - is based on chips and technology that may have been improperly obtained from Agere. The devices are said to be manufactured at a sprawling 261,000 square foot complex of buildings in South Plainfield, the newest of which was opened only late in 2001. The Multiplex source said that one of the company's biggest customers was, until recently, JDS Uniphase, the once-high-flying fiber optics company. The source said Multiplex also has a contract with the U.S. Government. One subpoena summoned the recipient to appear before a federal grand jury in Newark, N.J. in the second week of February. Multiplex, Inc. was founded in 1997 by a former official at Bell Labs named Won T. Tsang, who had headed Bell's Semiconductor Photonics Department. Bell Labs, a unit of AT&T, was divested by the phone giant as part of its 1996 spin-off of Lucent Technologies. Lucent, in turn, is now spinning off its semiconductor operations under the Agere name. Multiplex's co-founder, Tawee Tanbun-Ek, hails from Thailand and Japan, and also was previous employed by Bell Labs and thereafter, Lucent. Other top officials at Multiplex include Liang Tzeng, another Bell Labs veteran. The company maintains an "office of new business development" in Xian Dai City, Beijing, China, but it is unclear exactly what business is conducted through that office. The company's board of directors include individuals from the Philippines and Taiwan. Multiplex, Inc. appears to have had very limited sources of identifiable funding prior to May of 2001. In May, however, the company raised $105 million in capital via Credit Suisse First Boston Co. and several investment funds. The company currently lists an individual named Bruce Bartlett, who manages several investment portfolios for the Oppenheimer Funds, Inc., as being a member of Multiplex's board of directors. Bartlett would not return calls regarding Multiplex, Inc., and an Oppenheimer spokesman answered "no comment" as to whether Bartlett had received a grand jury subpoena. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4664 From: Agent Lovato Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 2:13pm Subject: RE: computer question As far as remotely powering on/off a computer in anyones house it is a relatively simple task by default. By default, for years now computers have been shipping from the manufacturer with the bios set to, "wake on ring". So, if this were the case with the Ames computer all one needs to know is the phone # of the jack the computers modem is plugged in. Then just hack away to gain entrance. The other computers in the house were most likely not networked at the time and he most likely used this computer to telecommute and email etc.. It may have been more complicated but I doubt it. Although, the technology mentioned by Matthew Paulsen does exist and has been being worked on since at least the 1960's that I am aware of. Transmission of data over a carrier wave is not much different than the concept of shortwave radio with its side band frequencies. anyway, thats me 3cents. Matthew Paulsen wrote: The Ames case goes back to February, 1994 with Aldrich Ames, a counterintelligence officer with the CIA. In February, 1997 Ames plead guilt to committing espionage for Russia. From what I've been exposed to, various government and private groups have been developing alternative measure to pass information through alternate methods such as power lines and water, such as IC/SS PLC/SS circuits. IE:Intel, Itron, National Semi, Rockwell, Motorola, Cyplex, Daewoo, Now defunct Enron (and subsidiaries and subcontractors), etc. Power line theory for transmission of information for intercommunication between generating stations, substations and control rooms holds that this sort of espionage is feasible at lower levels down to the receiving devices - such as remote espionage of consumer television sets, etc. Further, this could be used for non-compliant networks which are operating antiquated systems - C64, Altos, TSR 80's, etc. Remote power switches are available commerically, so it is conceivable that one was used, but it would have to be planted and integrated into a LAN/WAN connection or remote dialup/LAN connection to work, or chips / circuits (ie: a board is installed in the PC, station, remote manager, etc). Baud rates vary depending on who you talk to as well as data transmission distances - I've seen 300bps to 1gb/s at distances of a few hundred yards to worldwide, and phy being water, fiber, cable, PL, etc. Outside this range, there are microchip capable devices that are available with no power supply source that are attachable, injected, injested, that can be worn, carried, etc, but this would not provide the scope of services that you are describing, and they are only for intermittent use, but are capable of being interfaced via RF and then to LAN/WAN for public transmission through PPTP / HTTP, etc over IP, IPX, whatever, for global communication. I've worked on some systems that have provided PL monitoring from centralize base stations for power utilities for automated billing and other services - downtimes, line failures, etc, which can be automated to interoperate with MRP/ERP systems and other systems, so it's not a hard feat to take that integration and migrate it from consumer/commerical applications to industrial and government espionage services. Minature digital transceivers based on these technologies are under development, and in use by some organizations, federal and otherwise. Normally though, it's easier to plant a trojan to access the system and manage remote booting, kslogging, etc, microphones, and any cameras if present. Guess it comes down to... It's easier, cheaper, and more reliable - "engineers viewpoint - It's not broken, so lets add more to it, vs 'normal' person viewpoint - it's not broken, so don't fix it" being a reasonable assumption. But, in the world of unlimited budgets without justification for expenses... who knows. Probably not much of an answer, but it's a start. If anyone else has other information, I'd be happy to find out what others have used/seen beyond what I have. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Hughes [mailto:srh@e...] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:32 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] computer question I'm sitting here watching a show on cable ( I know). They are discussing the encroachment of surveillance by the gov against citizens. One detail they gave was on the Ames case. They stated that the FBI was remotely powering on Ames home computer, then subsequently removed data from, and powered it back down via the residential power lines. I am a little skeptical, unless they put a black box inside his pc. For instance, what kept ALL pc's on that transformer circuit from waking up? But, I am low on the knowledge base totem pole. What say ye, experts? Thanks! Shawn Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4665 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 5:06pm Subject: Re: Masking products At 7:45 AM -0800 1/25/02, Hawkspirit wrote: >Any one have experience with these masking products? Roger > >http://www.streetsavvywares.com/BD_acoustic_generators.htm > The equipment is blatantly and grossly misrepresented, and there is good reason to belive they are thieves, con artists, and liars. Just for the record, the fools actually tried to steal from me, so beware. They appear to be able to toss around various buzzwords, but seem clueless about what is really going on. Really just another a disreputable Spy shop run by more money grabbing dirtbags in New York. Any other questions? -jma -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4666 From: Shawn Hughes Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 5:52pm Subject: ghost rings I still haven't heard if the lady's doorbell was wireless or not. If so, I would definately blame the doorbell. I think Steve hit a point when he said that the odds of it randomly happening in two places were remote. Well, I have used wireless doorbells on several temporary facilities, and had 'ghost rings'. Turned out a piece of equipment was putting out RF at a harmonic of the 'bells frequency, and would agitate the bell when it went through the warm or cooling off cycle. Did you ever check out the stalking ex employee angle? Shawn 4667 From: Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 5:25pm Subject: Fwd: ghost rings A possible source, but less probable than the expert type opinions given concerning the noise, is that she could have moved the noise with her - that it is coming from an object other than doorbell but is being misintrepreted as doorbell - such as an alarm clock, a watch with an alarm, an appliance with timer or something like that? Al Reed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4668 From: zack <10-33@c...> Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:10pm Subject: Re: Doorbell I must be missing something. You of course have sound capacities on the cameras and have heard the doorbell ring ?? And the device is not wireless ??? Do you have motion sensors in addition........... if you have heard the doorbell, of course. At 07:19 AM 1/26/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Prior to > >moving a couple of months ago, someone was ringing her > >doorbell early in the morning on a fairly consistent > >basis. She moves to the opposite side of town and the > >very next morning, her doorbell rings, again early in > >the morning.(6:00 a.m) I install two coverts cameras > >for her, one that has a commanding view covering the > >front of the home and the second that is disguised as > >a peephole so I can obtain video of the front door. A > >couple of days ago,she contacts me and says her > >doorbell rang on Sunday morning (8:00 a.m.) but nobody visit http://www.copscops.com Washington DC Police Department http://mpdc.dc.gov/main.shtm "Unity... Resolve... Freedom. These are the hallmarks of the American spirit." George W Bush President of the United States of America God Bless The USA .. NEVER forget 9-11-01 http://www.copscops.com/blessusa.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4669 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:16am Subject: Latest on Nigerian Scams Hi all, The latest twist on the Nigerian scams is targeting security companies. Just like CCS, these clowns target the naive hopeful wanting to get involved in international affairs without paying their dues. Use your DELETE key if you get something like the following: ====================== Dear Sir, Our company, Pro-Development Konsult, handles consultancy services for private individuals, corporate organisations and government agencies, in Nigeria - where we are based - and from other parts of the African continent. The Attorney-General and Minister of Justice of Nigeria, Chief Bola Ige, was murdered in his bedroom in the night of December 23, 2001 -visit www.nigeria.com. The assassinated federal law officer who fought for the enthronement of democracy in Nigeria is one of the best politicians that Nigeria has ever produced since her independence in 1960. In order to forestall this dastardly act, the government has decided to improve the security within the homes and offices of all the members of the lower and upper houses of parliament, as well as in the homes and offices of other senior government functionaries. Our company has therefore been nominated, along with other consulting and brokerage firms, to invite tenders from experts on security and surveillance matters. Such experts and suppliers will be required: ======================= They will string you along, pump your ego, claim to want to wire you a retainer, and request your bank information. Then things slide into the regular M.O. of these scams from there on. The above message, or anything like it, is completely phony and should be disregarded. Headers are forged, which in itself should raise red flags. The above originated from outblaze.com. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Obviously enough people don't realize this or these Nigeriam scams would have died fifteen years ago when they started. Instead, with the advent of email, they're able to hit more and more people cheaper and quicker. A few years ago, I had a legitimate order from the Nigerian government. I put the poor guy through the wringer so many times and in 19 different directions, but he patiently cooperated because he knew the reputation which preceded him. We ended up being friends, and when I apologized months later for giving him the Spanish Inquisition, he said he understood and was embarrassed so many of his countrymen were involved in these scams. But most of them are scams, and the likelihood of running into a genuine requirement and an honest deal are practically nonexistent. If you think a rare opportunity to make easy money has found you, you're probably wrong. Even God says it in the Bible, 'By the sweat of thy brow thy shall earn thy bread'. Remember that when any of these get rich quick schemes come along. That applies to lottery tickets too, BTW. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 4670 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:51am Subject: CIA helps museum open door on spying http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/01/27/wspy27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/01/27/por_right.html CIA helps museum open door on spying By David Wastell in Washington (Filed: 27/01/2002) THE long shadows of some of the world's most notorious spies and double-agents, from Anthony Blunt to Aldrich Ames, will be cast over Washington in June with the opening of the world's largest museum dedicated to the history of espionage. Former members of the KGB and CIA have been recruited to give advice on exhibits ranging from special "escape boots" designed for British pilots in the Second World War to a concealed camera used to monitor East German hotel bedrooms. In a city that has seen more than its fair share of spies and is still, presumably, home to hundreds of them, the museum will acknowledge the work done by the world's secret agents and by America's much-maligned L21 billion-a-year intelligence effort. "Intelligence officers do not usually want or seek banner headlines," said Peter Earnest, a former career CIA officer who spent 20 years running clandestine networks behind the Iron Curtain. "The Cold War was an intelligence war, and it was intelligence that stopped it from becoming a hot war, but there were no parades of intelligence officers at the end of it. "People often talk about intelligence failures but they don't hear about many of the successes - embassies that have not been bombed, airports that have not been attacked - and one of our aims is to get people thinking about the role that intelligence has played in history." Officially, the CIA has no view on the museum, which will be housed in a group of 100-year-old buildings in what was once the bustling heart of Washington. Unofficially, the agency, whose headquarters are a few miles up the Potomac River in Langley, Virginia, has been encouraging it. As well as Mr Earnest, who is the museum's executive director, members of its advisory board include Judge William Webster, the former director of the FBI and CIA, Antonio Mendez, who was the CIA's chief of disguise, and a string of other intelligence experts. For balance, there is one Briton, Christopher Andrew, the spy historian, and a Russian who defected: Oleg Kalugin, a former KGB major-general who ran the Soviets' counter-intelligence wing. The museum is being financed by Milton Maltz, a wealthy broadcasting executive and businessman of Cleveland, Ohio, who once worked in America's National Security Agency. Many more spies and former spies, including some still in prison, have been interviewed on video to provide realistic accounts of their operations. The museum will acknowledge British and American traitors, including Blunt, who was stripped of his knighthood when revealed as a double-agent, and Ames, regarded as the most damaging CIA turncoat for his betrayal to the Russians of dozens of American agents, many of whom were executed. It will also examine the spycraft of the traitor Robert Hanssen, who overlooked the site of the new museum from his fourth-floor office at FBI headquarters until he was arrested, last February, for selling secrets to Moscow for 15 years. Hanssen used what Mr Earnest described as "classic techniques" to pass information to his KGB contacts, such as secret "dead drops" for leaving documents in parks and public places in the Washington area. Artefacts on display will include a "Kiss of Death" KGB lipstick tube, designed to fire a single bullet when twisted, an Enigma code-breaking machine and a range of fake warts used to smuggle microdots of secret information. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4671 From: Brad Hayes Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 8:48am Subject: Doorbell rings Dear Group, I wanted to take a moment to thank you for all of the expert input on my recent "doorbell" situation. I received many good suggestions. Just for the record, this is a hardwired doorbell. I didn't think this situation was plausible, but then again, I had to eliminate any chance of a remotely triggered device. I am now thinking there may be "other" possibilites to take under consideration. Second, I've noticed that Riser-Bond produces a couple of small portable TDR's cased in a vinyl pouch. Are these acceptable for TSCM or would you reccommend one of their larger units? I used the larger unit in a Texas A&M telephone class and was impressed with its accuracy. Having sold my gear acouple of years ago, I am reconsidering putting a basic package together as the funds become available. Also interested in which model of fluke multimeter the guys in the field are using. Thank you all again for your expertise. With respect, Brad Hayes ===== Brad Hayes American Investigation Group Investigations/Executive Protection Indianapolis, Indiana (317) 823-2677 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com 4672 From: John Savage Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:52pm Subject: MLPIA Swap Meet PRESS RELEASE: MLPIA 2002 GENERAL MEETING & P.I. SWAP MEET The Maine Licensed Private Investigators Association (MLPIA), Maine's premiere association of private investigation professionals, wishes to announce their first annual, never before, really big, huge and overblown. MLPIA 2002 P.I. SWAP MEET TO BE HELD ON FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 8, 2002 BEGINNING AT 5:00 TIL 8:??pm AT THE ELKS CLUB OUTBOUND CIVIC CENTER DRIVE AUGUSTA, MAINE RSVP: MLPIA@A... OR MLPIA, PO BOX 1645, PORTLAND, MAINE 04104-1645 Get your old "stuff" outta the back room and trade, swap, donate or whatever that piece of equipment, book, camera, cassette, phone system, etc., etc., etc. There will be more goodies then you ever thought possible and, for only a nominal service charge of $10.50, all this can be yours including a buffet, product demos, door prizes, raffles and much, much, more. Our membership drive will be kicked of by this monumental event, so you can't miss this one! Meet new friends, say hello to friends you haven't seen for a while and, most importantly, find that something you really want. (or get rid of it) BUY IT SELL IT, TRADE IT, DONATE IT OR AUCTION IT OFF FOR A GOOD CAUSE! PUSH IT, TOW IT OR JUST BRING IT. PS- ANY REAL OR IMAGINED REFERENCE TO JOLLY JOHN IS PURELY FICTIONAL! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 1/21/02 4673 From: Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:01am Subject: TEL "RING" QUESTION During any given 24 hr period...the following occurs: --incoming phone call--caller ID always blocked--phone answered--NOT a sound. This occurs approx 12 plus times w/the majority of "incoming" during the 0700-1700 hr period. Rarely 1700-0700. BUT, it does occur during those hours as well. --*68 nothing --phone co security can't(?) ID the prob..or answer the why? question --different issue--random faxes coming in on "home" line--(prob solicitation)--immediately fwd to fax line with no capture-receive. Initially, we thought that the telco was doing some routine line cks..but this has been going on for several YEARS! Any thoughts or fixes? Bill Schneid, Ph.D. Criminologist Director of Special Operations GLOBAL PROJECTS, LTD. Investigative Research Analysts "tempus omnia revelat" Marina del Rey, California http://globalprojectsltd.com 4674 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 2:40pm Subject: I wish you enough I was not the author of the following, but it is my honor to post it to this list. -jma I WISH YOU ENOUGH At an airport I overheard a father and daughter in their last moments together. They had announced her plane's departure and standing near the security gate, they hugged and he said, "I love you. I wish you enough." She said, "Daddy, our life together has been more than enough. Your love is all I ever needed. I wish you enough, too, Daddy." They kissed good-bye and she left. He walked over toward the window where I was seated. Standing there I could see he wanted and needed to cry. I tried not to intrude on his privacy, but he welcomed me in by asking, "Did you ever say good-bye to someone knowing it would be forever?" "Yes, I have," I replied. Saying that brought back memories I had of expressing my love and appreciation for all my Dad had done for me. Recognizing that his days were limited, I took the time to tell him face to face how much he meant to me. So I knew what this man was experiencing. "Forgive me for asking, but why is this a forever good- bye?" I asked. "I am old and she lives much too far away. I have challenges ahead and the reality is, her next trip back will be for my funeral, " he said. "When you were saying good-bye I heard you say, 'I wish you enough." May I ask what that means?" He began to smile. "That's a wish that has been handed down from other generations. My parents used to say it to everyone." He paused for a moment and looking up as if trying to remember it in detail, he smiled even more. "When we said 'I wish you enough,' we were wanting the other person to have a life filled with enough good things to sustain them," he continued and then turning toward me he shared the following as if he were reciting it from memory. "I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright. I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more. I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive. I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger. I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting. I wish you enough loss to appreciate all that you possess. I wish enough "Hello's" to get you through the final "Good-bye." He then began to sob and walked away. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4675 From: Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 11:00am Subject: Re: TEL "RING" QUESTION In a message dated 1/27/02 12:34:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, sleuthone@a... writes: << During any given 24 hr period...the following occurs: >> What's the name of the Telco? M. 4676 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:27pm Subject: Re: TDRs available to the list Once upon a midnight dreary, Brad Hayes pondered, weak and weary: > Second, I've noticed that Riser-Bond produces a couple of > small portable TDR's cased in a vinyl pouch. Are these > acceptable for TSCM or would you reccommend one of their > larger units? The vinyl pouch ones are not suitable. The 2401B+ (padded case) is an adequate ping box for simple TSCM. The fancier Riser Bond with the integral display are nicer, but more expensive. The major difference is you can set different pulse rates, different impedances, and can store traces digitally and dump them into a computer or print them later back at the office. I have plenty of all models of Riser Bond TDRs used in excellent condition if anyone is interested in a decent TDR. All have new or recent batteries, have passed calibration, have manuals and usually cable sets, and guarantees. Contact me for info. I take credit cards. > I used the larger unit in a Texas A&M telephone class and was > impressed with its accuracy. Even the little ones are accurate and adequate for most TSCM. The larger ones are nicer if you can afford them, but many thousands of sweeps have been done properly with the small 2401B. > Also interested in which model of fluke multimeter the guys in > the field are using. The Fluke 87-IV is the industry standard. Actually, any of the Fluke 87s are OK, but the newer ones have time/date stamping of min/max, a better warranty and wider ranges. If you can find any Fluke 87 used, of any iteration, it will serve you well. To continue the commercial message, I also have two Fluke 87 original models available, one well used but perfect, other practically unused, both with manuals, leads and pouches. Have one CPM-700 practically new with accessories not listed on the page. Also have unblocked ICOM R100 and R8500 receivers (meaning they cover the 800-900 megacycle range where cellular lives which is blocked in most receivers). Other used TSCM and related equipment is on my used equipment page: http://www.swssec.com/used.html Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 4677 From: David Miller Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 0:21am Subject: (off topic) you are in.... You're on the West Coast when . . . You make over $250,000 and still can't afford to buy your own house. The high school quarterback calls a time-out to answer his cell phone. The fastest part of your commute is going down your driveway. You know how to eat an artichoke. You drive to your neighborhood block party. ================================ You're in New York when . . . You say "the city" and expect everyone to know you mean Manhattan. You have never been to the Statue of Liberty or the Empire State Building. You can get into a four-hour argument about how to get from Columbus Circle to Battery Park, but can't find Wisconsin on a map. You think Central Park is "nature." You believe that being able to swear at people in their own language makes you multi-lingual. You've ever worn out a car horn. You think eye contact is an act of aggression. ================================= You're in Alaska when . . . You only have four spices: salt, pepper, ketchup and Tabasco. Halloween costumes fit over parkas. You have more than one recipe for moose. Sexy lingerie is anything flannel with less than eight buttons. The four seasons are: almost winter, winter, still winter, and construction. ================================= You're in the South when . . . You get a movie and bait in the same store. "Y'all" is singular and "all y'all" is plural. After a year you still hear, "You ain't from 'round here, are ya?" "he needed killin' " is a valid defense. ================================ You're in Colorado when . . . You carry your $3,000 mountain bike atop your $500 car. You tell your husband to pick up Granola on his way home and he stops at the day care. A pass does not involve a football or dating. The top of your head is bald, but you still have a ponytail. Your bridal registry is at REI. =============================== You're in the Midwest when . . . You've never met any celebrities, but the mayor knows your name. Your idea of a traffic jam is ten cars waiting to pass a tractor. You have had to switch from "heat" to "A/C" on the same day. You end sentences with a preposition: "Where's my coat at?" or "If you go to the mall, I wanna go with.." Your first job was detasseling. When asked how your trip was to any exotic place, you say, "It was different." 4678 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:45am Subject: Telephone tapping and mail-opening figures 1937-2000 (Compiled by Statewatch) http://www.statewatch.org/news/DOCS/Teltap1.htm Telephone tapping and mail-opening figures 1937-2000 (Compiled by Statewatch) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The total figure for warrants issued for telephone tapping and mail-opening in the year 2000 for England and Wales was 1,608. This represents a slight drop on the previous year (1,734) but the 2000 figures are the third highest total in peacetime. In Scotland the total figure was 292 warrants, the highest ever.(Source: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, Report of the Interception of Communications Commissioner, October 2001, Cm 5296) The chart below gives the figures for the number of warrants issued for telephone tapping and mail-opening issued by the Home Secretary for the period 1937-2000 in England and Wales; the warrants issued by the Secretary of State for Scotland between 1967-2000; and the number issued by the Foreign Secretary between 1980-1984. Some general observations can be made: 1) 1955 was the first year that the number of warrants issued for telephone-tapping was greater than those for mail-opening; 2) The record number of warrants issued in 1940 a total of 1,682 was exceeded for the first time in 1998 with 1,763 warrants being issued; 3) The high number of warrants between 1939-1941 is clearly attributable to the beginning of the Second World War; the rise in 1948 to the beginning of the Cold War and strikes, the post-war low point of 238 total warrants was in 1958 with the rise between 1971-1975 being due to industrial action combined with Cold War paranoia. 4) The total number of warrants was pretty steady in the 400's from 1976 until 1991. Thereafter the number of warrants has risen significantly. ENGLAND & WALES: YearTelephone tapping warrantsMail opening warrantsTotal 193717556573 193820710730 1939299731,002 19401251,5571,682 19411808621,042 1942164514678 1943126329455 1944102213315 19455690146 194673139212 1947110190300 1948103870973 1949133641774 1950179356535 1951177486663 1952173462635 1953202459661 1954222227449 1955241205446 1956159183342 1957n/an/an/a 1958129109238 1959159101260 1960195110305 196118375258 196224296338 1963270128398 1964253120373 196529993392 [1] 1966318139457 196730792399 196833383416 196937793470 1970395104499 197141886504 197241395508 197342473497 197443693529 197546893561 197641062472 197740784491 197842844472 197941152463 198041439453 [2] 198140246448 198237954433 198337253415 198435239391 198540340443 198657395668 [3] 198743834472 198841248460 198942731458 199047342515 199167062732 1992756118874 1993893105998 199487176947 199591087997 19961,073691,142 19971.391651,456 19981,6461171,763 19991,645891,734 20001,559491,608 [1] This figure is wrongly given as 382 in Cmnd. 7873 [2] Cmnd 9438 states in the figures between 1980-1984 excludes warrants issued under the 1920 Official Secrets Act. [3] The Report of the Commissioner for 1998 states in para.6 that the high figure for this year "is explained by the need to replace all the outstanding non-statutory warrants when the new Act came into force". SCOTLAND: Year Telephone tapping warrants Mail-opening warrants Total warrants issued for the year 19673-3 196810-10 19698-8 197014-14 197110212 197215-15 197320-20 197433538 197541-41 197641-41 197752355 197842-42 197956-56 198050-50 198149-49 198279281 198353154 198471475 198559968 198684488 [1] 198754357 198854559 198963164 199066266 199181182 199287592 199311210122 19949010100 19951371138 19962280228 19972560256 19982671268 1999288-288 2000292-292 [1] The Report of the Commissioner for 1998 states in para.6 that the high figure for this year "is explained by the need to replace all the outstanding non-statutory warrants when the new Act came into force". [2] It is noticeable that several of the rises in Scotland, especially for warrants to open letters, occurs during years when strikes played an important role, e.g. 1971, 1974, 1977, 1984 and 1985. It is also apparent that the overall figures for Scotland rose significantly during the 1980s (over the 1970s). Foreign Secretary:Year [1][2]Telephone tapping warrants Mail-opening warrantsTotal 1980136-136 1981101-101 198292-92 1983109-109 1984115-115 [1] Figures for warrants issued by the Foreign Secretary have not been issued since 1984. [2] The Report of the Commissioner for 1990 it states that it would be against the public interest to publish the number of warrants issued by the Foreign Secretary and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4679 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:57am Subject: China swept jet for bugs while in San Antonio, Texas [I would point out that the plane was likely bugged while on the ground in the US, but that the "traveling" Chinese TSCM folks are unable to find anything but the most primitive bugs and would not be able to properly sweep the plane until it got back to China. This is a good example as to why bug sweeps should be left to competent TSCM professionals. ] http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlc=585284 China swept jet for bugs while in S.A. By Sig Christenson EN Military Writer Web Posted : 01/21/2002 12:00 AM © 2002 San Antonio Express-News Chinese security experts armed with debugging equipment swept a Boeing 767-300ER three times before it left San Antonio for Beijing, where it was to be used by President Jiang Zemin, the San Antonio Express-News has learned. Security crews entered the plane each time it landed at San Antonio International Airport following shakedown flights last August, said Andy Kidd, who led a Dee Howard maintenance crew that helped put the plane back in the air after 10 months in an Alamo City hangar. During one sweep, Kidd took a call from a telephone outside the airplane and was later questioned about it by a Chinese agent who insinuated the conversation had been picked up. "I was totally shocked," Kidd, a senior aircraft mechanic with 20 years in the business, said Sunday. "I mean, it was an invasion of my privacy." Revelations that the plane was debugged while in San Antonio marked a new twist in the story and confirmed a recent report, made by a project insider, that electronics experts had gone over the jet before it was delivered to Beijing in mid-August. But Kidd's comments deepened the mystery of how, when or even if electronic listening devices were put on the wide-bodied jet, and who might have been behind the action. It raised more questions, too, about the arrests of 23 people - 21 of them from China's air force - in the wake of the reported bugging. "It's not out of the question that those listening devices could have been planted in China," said former Tennessee senator and U.S. Ambassador to China James Sasser. "But that doesn't necessarily mean they would have been planted by Chinese, he said, explaining that the Russians put transmitters on Beijing's planes years ago. "It could have been other groups doing it." Dee Howard and Gore Design Completions modified the jet at San Antonio International Airport last year. It was flown to an airfield near Beijing, where Chinese communications experts found 27 high-tech listening devices on board last October, the Washington Post reported last week. Those devices included transmitters in the presidential bathroom, the Post said, and in the headboard of Jiang's bed. Beijing has not protested to Washington or to officials with Gore Design and Dee Howard. The Chinese Embassy in Washington did not comment Sunday, and the White House failed to return a phone call. Two top administration officials, Secretary of State Colin Powell and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, said they knew nothing of U.S. involvement but didn't elaborate. Powell, appearing on ABC's "This Week," said the subject had "never been raised" in talks he's had with Chinese officials in recent months. Kidd, a 38-year-old father of two young girls, said he contacted the Express-News because he was tired of seeing Dee Howard "get bashed" in the media. "There's 400 people left there in that place that are trying to hang on for their jobs," he said. Dee Howard's Phil O'Connor, who has been designated by the firm to talk with the media, was ill and could not be reached. Gore Design President Jerry Gore said he was unaware of the debugging effort, but conceded it could have occurred. He also said transmitters might have been installed by the Chinese, and noted there were times when Chinese army troops were the only ones around the presidential plane. "There are competing factions within the Chinese military and government. It is very possible that they could have been the ones who did this," Gore said. "Theoretically it's possible that U.S. intelligence recruited people within the Chinese government to help," speculated James Bamford, author of two best sellers on the secretive National Security Agency. "That's what the CIA's job is to do." Kidd, a senior aircraft mechanic, saw the debugging crews at the end of a monthlong restoration of the plane he led. As he and two others got the plane ready to fly after nearly a year in storage, Kidd said he was under constant Chinese scrutiny. "Without a doubt I felt like (I was) being watched," Kidd said. "Any panel or door or anything we opened on the aircraft, any operational checks I performed on the aircraft, I had a PLA official over my shoulder." Security was a top priority. A 6-foot tall chain-link fence was erected around the jet the day it arrived in San Antonio - July 5, 2000. Kidd said that was the first time in his four years with Dee Howard that the company had put up a fence around such an aircraft. Chinese troops flew with the plane after it left a Boeing plant in Everett, Wash., for South Texas, and remained until it left here Aug. 10. About 25 Chinese troops wearing civilian clothes were posted to the hangar on an around-the-clock basis. Those working on the plane wore color-coded badges. Anyone entering or leaving the jet had to sign a logbook at a security checkpoint. Dee Howard security guards worked elsewhere at the facility while airport police patrolled the area outside. Workers signing the logbook had to check off a "yes/no" box indicating if they were taking tools on board, Kidd said. Visitors to the hangar had to be cleared by Dee Howard security and the Chinese, and workers were not allowed to take cameras, radios or tape players into the airplane. The Chinese were "worried about possible sabotage acts," Kidd said, adding that he and other workers were cautioned "to maintain a professional attitude, basically make no terroristic comments, so to speak." Kidd said he was part of a ground crew that tested the plane before its first flight out of the hangar. Three test flights ran from Aug. 6-10, with the Boeing 767 returning to San Antonio International each time. Once the plane was down, he continued, three to five Chinese men in plain clothes would board it, taking a briefcase-sized black box with them. They finished 20 to 30 minutes later. Echoing his bosses and Gore Design executives, Kidd said there was no way the plane could have been bugged while in San Antonio - unless the Chinese themselves were doing it. "I don't think it was an American agency that did it," he said. "If anyone had more access to the aircraft, it was the Chinese. I would point my finger at the PLA people that were involved in the project." sigc@e... 01/21/2002 -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4680 From: Date: Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:51pm Subject: 900 - 2.6 Yagi I may be behind the curve on this one, but it may be of interest to someone. I picked up a small Yagi log periodic antenna (on a circuit board) over the net. Cut for 900-2.6. Thing's about 8" square. I put a rubber pistol grip (for SLR camera) on it and connected it to my Tek 492. Put a small 9v 2.4 Ghz transmitter on the other side of the house and tried it out. Had to attenuate the signal down quite a lot, but finally got good, usable signal. Was amazed at the sensitivity. Was like moving a compass around true north. I literally could draw a straight line from the tip of the antenna to the transmitter. The slightest movement away from the transmitter would effect the amplitude, whether left, right, up or down. Like aiming a pistol. Very impressed (of course I'm still impressed with hard drives over 20 meg's). Don't want to make this a commercial message, but anyone interested in the page cite, let me know. Cost a princely $40. Martin Brown Brown & Sikes, Inc. Dallas 4681 From: Paolo Sfriso Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:18am Subject: Bug Photos Wanted Dear Colleagues. I am developing a website www.microspia.org (microspia is the Italian word for bug, literally micro-spy) where I would like to place a photographic display of found bugs of any sort: from the radio-shack viarity to the more esoteric kind. I would be extremely gratefull if fellow listmembers could send me a couple of JPEG photos of traced or experimental bugs with a brief description. The site will be in Italian and proper credit will be given to all contributors. Thanks. Paul Sfriso Director GRUPPO S.I.T. Security, Investigations & Technology Quarto d'Altino, Venice ITALY phone +39 0422 828517 fax +39 0422 823224 24hr GSM cellphone +39 335 5257308 www.grupposit.com paulsfriso@t... 4682 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:39am Subject: Re: Bug Photos Wanted Once upon a midnight dreary, Paolo Sfriso pondered, weak and weary: > I am developing a website www.microspia.org (microspia is the > Italian word for bug, literally micro-spy) where I would like to > place a photographic display of found bugs of any sort: from the > radio-shack viarity to the more esoteric kind. > I would be extremely gratefull if fellow listmembers could send > me a couple of JPEG photos of traced or experimental bugs with a > brief description. Hi Paul, Since mere possession of audio and certain other types of surveillance devices in the U.S. is a felony, you're obviously asking for these inputs from our members outside the U.S. No one in the US. would want to admit to committing a felony by acknowledging possession of sensitive devices. 18USC 2511 and 2512 (Title 18 is the Criminal Code in the U.S., and section 2511 and 2512 specifically discusses possession, advertising of, use by, etc. surveillance devices by other than government agencies or persons directly under contract to supply these devices to the government) is the applicable section of code. Practically anyone involved in TSCM or surveillance in the U.S. knows this section of code by heart, since we live and quite literally can rot in jail by it. Jim Atkinson, the owner and operator of this list, maintains a copy of this information on his website here: http://www.tscm.com/USC18_119.html Perhaps list members from countries where the law is not so restrictive can assist you. You also may be able, with permission, to copy certain photos from various websites showing pictures of these devices. Be aware, however, that I have never seen a photo on a website of a truly professional surveillance device. They all are low end, homemade type devices, or the mass produced garbage from the Pacific Rim. Any images shown on U.S. websites either are illegal or are of deactivated devices (usually mockups). Good luck with your site. Regards ... Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" *******************************************************************