From: The Price's Date: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:36pm Subject: RE: Marty Kaiser I sent a email to Marty Kaiser about a week ago and so far no response, I would like to make a purchase of one of the items he indicates he still manufactures a 2050CA and a 1059 countermeasures amp. Does anyone have any info on Marty, should I try giving him a phone call. Also I am interested in purchasing a second CPM-700 REI unit only, I have all the probes, two of most and want to purchase just the receiver, if someone has a used unit let me know. John 10769 From: Mildred Young Date: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:44pm Subject: Re: RFID Rev Dr Michael Ellner, Please tell me more of the Bush plan to screen the whole US population for mental illness. I have not heard anything about that! MY ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.A. Terranson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] RFID > > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Gerald wrote: > >> I have noted the reduced number of kidnappings in Iraq. >> Could RFID beused to trace victims if imbedded in their skin, or >> wouldn't it have the range? > > AFAIK, depending on the specific RFID technology used, range goes as far > as ~30 feet today, using COTS or near COTS equipment. I have heard > theoretical discussions which insist that 100feet *may* be feasible soon, > but it is unclear if "feasible" would necessarily equate to "available" in > a reasonable time frame. Besides, I doubt a 100foot range would prove to > be of much use. > > -- > Yours, > > J.A. Terranson > sysadmin@m... > 0xBD4A95BF > > Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is > upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers > destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy > freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be > healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system > whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, > poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is > biologically and ecologically sustainable. > > The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly > indicates that mental illness starts at the top. > > Rev Dr Michael Ellner > > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > 10770 From: dj Date: Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:02pm Subject: Need equipment In need of a Sony 8mm deck/ mini or possibly a sharp 8mm deck/mini vcr with screen Anyone have one for sale under 100.00? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10771 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:42am Subject: Fire closes New York subway line Does anybody else on the list find it ironic that a homeless guy with a shopping cart was able to accidently take out a chunk of the infrastructure of New York? If they are not capable of stopping something as simple as a shopping cart how are they going to stop an actual terrorist attack. -jma http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/25/train.fire.ap/index.html Fire closes New York subway line Should be running again in 3-6 months, agency says NEW YORK (AP) -- A subway line shut down by a tunnel fire that authorities believe was set by a homeless person should be running again within three to six months, not the five years previously feared, the New York City Transit agency said Tuesday. The Sunday fire, which began in a shopping cart stuffed with clothing and wood, ignited overhead cables near the Chambers Street station in lower Manhattan. The blaze spread to a room of switching and signal equipment critical to operating the C line, said NYC Transit's parent agency, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority. No suspect in the fire had been arrested. The C line, which carries some 110,000 daily riders in Manhattan and Brooklyn, was suspended indefinitely. The MTA also cut back service on the A line, which runs parallel to the C for part of its route, carrying some 470,000 passengers a day. Before Tuesday's announcement that service could be resumed within six months, NYC Transit President Lawrence Reuter had said it could take "several millions of dollars and several years" to rebuild the equipment. He also had said the fire caused the most serious damage to the subway's infrastructure since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, which destroyed tracks and stations underneath the World Trade Center. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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Atkinson Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:50am Subject: Government Admits Terrorist Threat Warning was Bogus (again) Once again, DHS falls flat on their face, and whips up hysteria about a bogus terror threat which just conveniently coincided with the inauguration. -jma Authorities debate whether to make terror threats public By Associated Press Tuesday, January 25, 2005 BOSTON - A call from an anonymous tipster that 16 people were planning a terror attack on Boston prompted officials to warn the public and step up security. Patrols were increased at Logan International Airport and on the city's transit system. Vehicles were searched in underground parking garages. Gov. Mitt Romney [related, bio] skipped President George W. Bush's inauguration in Washington to return to Boston. All this for what authorities now say may have been an act of revenge by a human smuggler trying to get back at people who failed to pay him. The tipster has since been detained and was being questioned by authorities trying to get to the bottom of his motivation. The idea of reporting people to the government to exact revenge is nothing new. But with the heightened fear of terrorism, authorities have to decide when to warn the public and when to investigate quietly without making the threat public. ``Every day there comes to the various agencies within the U.S. government hundreds - thousands - of reports of everything from Martians having landed in Nevada to someone who just had a conversation with Elvis to terrorists coming with a nuclear bomb to Boston,'' said Graham T. Allison, an assistant defense secretary in the first Clinton administration. ``It's one of those situations where you're kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't,'' said Allison, now a professor of government at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. Most recently, a tipster called into the California Highway Patrol on Jan. 17, claiming that four Chinese nationals - two men and two women - and two Iraqi nationals entered the United States from Mexico and were awaiting a shipment of nuclear material that would follow them to Boston. The implication was that the group was plotting to detonate a radioactive ``dirty bomb'' that spews hazardous material and can sicken or kill people. The list of possible terror suspects later grew to 16, and authorities have said they are investigating whether the tip was a false one by a caller with a grudge after smuggling them across the border. U.S. Attorney Michael Sullivan said that the vast majority of anonymous tips received by authorities are not made public in an attempt to prevent panic. But authorities sometimes go public with a threat, he said, out of a concern for public safety or if they believe the public could help in the investigation. Sullivan told The Associated Press that authorities still have found no evidence of terror motives and nothing to corroborate the tipster's claims. He said the investigation is still ongoing and the smuggling scenario ``is within the range of possibilities.'' Matthew Evangelista, a professor of international relations at Cornell University, said the idea of turning people in as suspects out of revenge goes back to long before terrorism became a major concern. He said warning the public about a threat before it is thoroughly investigated can cause undue panic and may even cause people to be desensitized about the threat of terrorism. ``I think it breeds a kind of cynicism on the part of the public. ... People become maybe less willing to believe the threats when they are actually real,'' Evangelista said. ``The other risk it creates is a climate of suspicion, especially if people are identified by racial or ethnic characteristics. I think that's a danger officials need to think about when they issue these kinds of alerts.'' In the alleged terror threat against Boston, federal authorities went public after state and local law enforcement agencies took steps to increase security, and reports about the threat were leaked to the media. The FBI released the photographs of the four Chinese nationals and later released the names, some passport numbers and possible birth dates for nine other Chinese and one Hispanic man they said were wanted for questioning. No information has been released about the two Iraqis who were said to have been involved. ``It became apparent that the information was already in the public domain and there was significant risk that without making some kind of public statement, there was considerable risk of this being blown out of proportion and causing panic,'' Sullivan said. This past weekend, the FBI said one of the 16 people sought for questioning has been in U.S. custody for more than two months and has no terrorist connection. Sullivan noted that authorities emphasized from the beginning that they had been unable to corroborate the claims of the tipster. ``It's a constant challenge of the part of law enforcement because they have to respond as if each of these are potential real threats even though you recognize that the vast majority of them are going to be washed out,'' he said. ``The biggest fear you have if you didn't address it as a real threat is that you're going to miss an opportunity to prevent (something) from happening.'' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10773 From: Agent Geiger Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:50am Subject: Re: RFID Here are some articles: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39078 http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-2004.html --- Mildred Young wrote: > > Rev Dr Michael Ellner, > Please tell me more of the Bush plan to screen > the whole US population > for mental illness. I have not heard anything about > that! > MY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.A. Terranson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] RFID > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Gerald wrote: > > > >> I have noted the reduced number of kidnappings in > Iraq. > >> Could RFID beused to trace victims if imbedded in > their skin, or > >> wouldn't it have the range? > > > > AFAIK, depending on the specific RFID technology > used, range goes as far > > as ~30 feet today, using COTS or near COTS > equipment. I have heard > > theoretical discussions which insist that 100feet > *may* be feasible soon, > > but it is unclear if "feasible" would necessarily > equate to "available" in > > a reasonable time frame. Besides, I doubt a > 100foot range would prove to > > be of much use. > > > > -- > > Yours, > > > > J.A. Terranson > > sysadmin@m... > > 0xBD4A95BF > > > > Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is > backwards, everything is > > upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists > destroy minds, lawyers > > destroy justice, the major media destroy > information, governments destroy > > freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet > it is claimed to be > > healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We > live in a social system > > whose community, wealth, love and life is derived > from alienation, > > poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we > tell ourselves that it is > > biologically and ecologically sustainable. > > > > The Bush plan to screen whole US population for > mental illness clearly > > indicates that mental illness starts at the top. > > > > Rev Dr Michael Ellner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is > strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts > acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a > warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > =================================================== > TSKS > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 10774 From: kondrak Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:17am Subject: Re: RFID Think it has more to do with our troops wiping out over 1200 of hard-core Jihadi's in Faluja. The best RFID implants ive seen are good for less than 100'. At 12:32 1/25/2005, you wrote: >On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Gerald wrote: > > > I have noted the reduced number of kidnappings in Iraq. > > Could RFID beused to trace victims if imbedded in their skin, or > > wouldn't it have the range? > >AFAIK, depending on the specific RFID technology used, range goes as far >as ~30 feet today, using COTS or near COTS equipment. I have heard >theoretical discussions which insist that 100feet *may* be feasible soon, >but it is unclear if "feasible" would necessarily equate to "available" in >a reasonable time frame. Besides, I doubt a 100foot range would prove to >be of much use. > >-- >Yours, > >J.A. Terranson >sysadmin@m... >0xBD4A95BF > > Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is >upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers >destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy >freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be >healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system >whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, >poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is >biologically and ecologically sustainable. > >The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly >indicates that mental illness starts at the top. > >Rev Dr Michael Ellner > > > > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > 10775 From: kondrak Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:26am Subject: Re: Fire closes New York subway line Yes and no. Yes, in that the NYC subway is SO badly maintained, and in need of repairs that a small fire could easily spread and cause that level of damage. Also security is so poor that anyone, anytime could have access to critical infrastructure. ..and No, the tramps down there prob just wanted to stay warm, and with the amount of grease, debris and other flammables, (I cant envision one hauling a shopping cart of wood in, undiscovered) available due to lack of maintenance, I can see this being an accident waiting to happen. What "I" find amazing is the horrendous amount of time they speced for repairs. Of course, the mob, thug, union people don't work until they are paid off to do so, (with overtime, and bribes to their thug hierarchy) so three years might be realistic. this is typical for NYC and other places where the mob's are in control. I could buy 3-6 months....not three years....there will be heads rolling if 800,000 commuters are put out three years.... At 02:42 1/26/2005, you wrote: >Does anybody else on the list find it ironic that a homeless guy with a >shopping cart was able to accidently take out a chunk of the infrastructure >of New York? > >If they are not capable of stopping something as simple as a shopping cart >how are they going to stop an actual terrorist attack. > >-jma > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/25/train.fire.ap/index.html > > >Fire closes New York subway line >Should be running again in 3-6 months, agency says > >NEW YORK (AP) -- A subway line shut down by a tunnel fire that authorities >believe was set by a homeless person should be running again within three >to six months, not the five years previously feared, the New York City >Transit agency said Tuesday. > >The Sunday fire, which began in a shopping cart stuffed with clothing and >wood, ignited overhead cables near the Chambers Street station in lower >Manhattan. The blaze spread to a room of switching and signal equipment >critical to operating the C line, said NYC Transit's parent agency, the >Metropolitan Transportation Authority. > >No suspect in the fire had been arrested. > >The C line, which carries some 110,000 daily riders in Manhattan and >Brooklyn, was suspended indefinitely. The MTA also cut back service on the >A line, which runs parallel to the C for part of its route, carrying some >470,000 passengers a day. > >Before Tuesday's announcement that service could be resumed within six >months, NYC Transit President Lawrence Reuter had said it could take >"several millions of dollars and several years" to rebuild the equipment. > >He also had said the fire caused the most serious damage to the subway's >infrastructure since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, which >destroyed tracks and stations underneath the World Trade Center. > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 > Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and >Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > 10776 From: J.A. Terranson Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:02am Subject: [OFF TOPIC] Re: RFID On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Mildred Young wrote: > Rev Dr Michael Ellner, > Please tell me more of the Bush plan to screen the whole US population > for mental illness. I have not heard anything about that! > MY "Rev. Ellner" was the source of the quote, not of the email it was acting as a .sig for. Nevertheless, below is a reprint of the article from which it came. I know Jeanne Lenzer, and this is no "supermarket rag story": check double and triple checks her work. Note that this originally appeared in the British Medical Journal (IIRC). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39078 Bush plans to screen whole U.S. population for mental illness Sweeping initiative links diagnoses to treatment with specific drugs Posted: June 21, 2004 5:00 p.m. Eastern By Jeanne Lenzer 2004 Jeanne Lenzer A sweeping mental health initiative will be unveiled by President George W Bush in July. The plan promises to integrate mentally ill patients fully into the community by providing "services in the community, rather than institutions," according to a March 2004 progress report entitled New Freedom Initiative (www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-2004.html). While some praise the plan's goals, others say it protects the profits of drug companies at the expense of the public. Bush established the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health in April 2002 to conduct a "comprehensive study of the United States mental health service delivery system." The commission issued its recommendations in July 2003. Bush instructed more than 25 federal agencies to develop an implementation plan based on those recommendations. The president's commission found that "despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children. According to the commission, "Each year, young children are expelled from preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviours and emotional disorders." Schools, wrote the commission, are in a "key position" to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools. The commission also recommended "Linkage [of screening] with treatment and supports" including "state-of-the-art treatments" using "specific medications for specific conditions." The commission commended the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) as a "model" medication treatment plan that "illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes." Dr Darrel Regier, director of research at the American Psychiatric Association (APA), lauded the president's initiative and the Texas project model saying, "What's nice about TMAP is that this is a logical plan based on efficacy data from clinical trials." He said the association has called for increased funding for implementation of the overall plan. But the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, sparked off controversy when Allen Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General, revealed that key officials with influence over the medication plan in his state received money and perks from drug companies with a stake in the medication algorithm (15 May, p1153). He was sacked this week for speaking to the BMJ and the New York Times. The Texas project started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas, and the mental health and corrections systems of Texas. The project was funded by a Robert Wood Johnson grant . and by several drug companies. Mr Jones told the BMJ that the same "political/pharmaceutical alliance" that generated the Texas project was behind the recommendations of the New Freedom Commission, which, according to his whistleblower report, were "poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly side effects, and to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab" (http://psychrights.org/Drugs/ AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf). Larry D Sasich, research associate with Public Citizen in Washington, DC, told the BMJ that studies in both the United States and Great Britain suggest that "using the older drugs first makes sense. There's nothing in the labeling of the newer atypical antipsychotic drugs that suggests they are superior in efficacy to haloperidol [an older "typical" antipsychotic]. There has to be an enormous amount of unnecessary expenditures for the newer drugs." Olanzapine (trade name Zyprexa), one of the atypical antipsychotic drugs recommended as a first line drug in the Texas algorithm, grossed $4.28bn (2.35bn) worldwide in 2003 and is Eli Lilly's top selling drug. A 2003 New York Times article by Gardiner Harris reported that 70 percent of olanzapine sales are paid for by government agencies, such as Medicare and Medicaid. Eli Lilly, manufacturer of olanzapine, has multiple ties to the Bush administration. George Bush Sr. was a member of Lilly's board of directors and Bush Jr. appointed Lilly's chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, to a seat on the Homeland Security Council. Lilly made $1.6m in political contributions in 2000 . 82 percent of which went to Bush and the Republican Party. Jones points out that the companies that helped to start up the Texas project have been, and still are, big contributors to the election funds of George W Bush. In addition, some members of the New Freedom Commission have served on advisory boards for these same companies, while others have direct ties to the Texas Medication Algorithm Project. Bush was the governor of Texas during the development of the Texas project, and, during his 2000 presidential campaign, he boasted of his support for the project and the fact that the legislation he passed expanded Medicaid coverage of psychotropic drugs. Bush is the clear front runner when it comes to drug company contributions. According to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP), manufacturers of drugs and health products have contributed $764 274 to the 2004 Bush campaign through their political action committees and employees . far outstripping the $149 400 given to his chief rival, John Kerry, by 26 April. Drug companies have fared exceedingly well under the Bush administration, according to the centre's spokesperson, Steven Weiss. The commission's recommendation for increased screening has also been questioned. Robert Whitaker, journalist and author of Mad in America, says that while increased screening "may seem defensible," it could also be seen as "fishing for customers," and that exorbitant spending on new drugs "robs from other forms of care such as job training and shelter programmes." But Dr Graham Emslie, who helped develop the Texas project, defends screening: "There are good data showing that if you identify kids at an earlier age who are aggressive, you can intervene... and change their trajectory." First published by the BMJ Publishing Group Ltd in the BMJ -- volume 328, 19 June 2004, page 1458. 10777 From: J. Oquendo Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:07am Subject: Re: Fire closes New York subway line > If they are not capable of stopping something as simple as a shopping > cart how are they going to stop an actual terrorist attack. The answer to this is simple. The United States simply needs another neatly acronymed agency to carry out the dangerous, perilous, devious duties of stopping Homeless Persons of Mass Destruction. It would be in the interest of everyone to stop these evil tunnel dwellers hell-bent on taking over civil liberties and freedoms from us Patriotic citizens. I hereby vote to establish "People Of Real Koncern Battling Against Really Radical Enemy Losers" or PORK BARREL for short. If only the government would allocate say two percent of social security programs, and other non necessary programs like Medicaid (we all know old people don't really need meds anyway), we could stop another attack on our good old nation's infrastructure. Where is Kerik when we needed him most out here? How dare he run around doing the hanky panky. He has hisself some tErrorists to stop. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x51F9D78D Fingerprint 2A48 BA18 1851 4C99 CA22 0619 DB63 F2F7 51F9 D78D http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x51F9D78D sil @ politrix . org http://www.politrix.org sil @ infiltrated . net http://www.infiltrated.net "How a man plays the game shows something of his character - how he loses shows all" - Mr. Luckey 10778 From: E. Charles Sterling Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:42am Subject: RE: [tscm] Government Admits Terrorist Threat Warning was Bogus (again) Clearly this is not on target with TSCM business yet it has been global business for a week or so there is additional data and hopefully also the end of a bad rumor. As "a proud member of the InfraGard" the nature of this type of bogus report (one for revenge) is one that is too common and one that plays directly into the hands of actual terrorists. There are too many issues with false or customized reports getting into the mainstream press w/o something as vain as revenge fueling the situation. This issue was started by ONE individual and at every step of the way has been identified as not having facts associated to this group of Chinese nationals much less anything to do with terrorism. One thing to keep in mind, regarding the nature of feeding such propaganda, this is how the terrorist will, can and have caused the world great grief and expense - the simple spreading of rumor. Due to today's internet technology this situation can span the globe in minutes and take weeks to bring to some closure. I've been watching the text on this issue all week and I'm glad to say that it now seems to be reaching an end. From my view point, the person that started this issue should be spending time in the Cross Bars Motel (feed by the FBI) for enacting such public deceit. cheers, charles sterling -----Original Message----- From: James M. Atkinson [mailto:jmatk@t...] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:51 AM To: TSCM-L Subject: [tscm] [TSCM-L] Government Admits Terrorist Threat Warning was Bogus (again) Once again, DHS falls flat on their face, and whips up hysteria about a bogus terror threat which just conveniently coincided with the inauguration. -jma Authorities debate whether to make terror threats public By Associated Press Tuesday, January 25, 2005 BOSTON - A call from an anonymous tipster that 16 people were planning a terror attack on Boston prompted officials to warn the public and step up security. Patrols were increased at Logan International Airport and on the city's transit system. Vehicles were searched in underground parking garages. Gov. Mitt Romney [related, bio] skipped President George W. Bush's inauguration in Washington to return to Boston. All this for what authorities now say may have been an act of revenge by a human smuggler trying to get back at people who failed to pay him. The tipster has since been detained and was being questioned by authorities trying to get to the bottom of his motivation. The idea of reporting people to the government to exact revenge is nothing new. But with the heightened fear of terrorism, authorities have to decide when to warn the public and when to investigate quietly without making the threat public. ``Every day there comes to the various agencies within the U.S. government hundreds - thousands - of reports of everything from Martians having landed in Nevada to someone who just had a conversation with Elvis to terrorists coming with a nuclear bomb to Boston,'' said Graham T. Allison, an assistant defense secretary in the first Clinton administration. ``It's one of those situations where you're kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't,'' said Allison, now a professor of government at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. Most recently, a tipster called into the California Highway Patrol on Jan. 17, claiming that four Chinese nationals - two men and two women - and two Iraqi nationals entered the United States from Mexico and were awaiting a shipment of nuclear material that would follow them to Boston. The implication was that the group was plotting to detonate a radioactive ``dirty bomb'' that spews hazardous material and can sicken or kill people. The list of possible terror suspects later grew to 16, and authorities have said they are investigating whether the tip was a false one by a caller with a grudge after smuggling them across the border. U.S. Attorney Michael Sullivan said that the vast majority of anonymous tips received by authorities are not made public in an attempt to prevent panic. But authorities sometimes go public with a threat, he said, out of a concern for public safety or if they believe the public could help in the investigation. Sullivan told The Associated Press that authorities still have found no evidence of terror motives and nothing to corroborate the tipster's claims. He said the investigation is still ongoing and the smuggling scenario ``is within the range of possibilities.'' Matthew Evangelista, a professor of international relations at Cornell University, said the idea of turning people in as suspects out of revenge goes back to long before terrorism became a major concern. He said warning the public about a threat before it is thoroughly investigated can cause undue panic and may even cause people to be desensitized about the threat of terrorism. ``I think it breeds a kind of cynicism on the part of the public. ... People become maybe less willing to believe the threats when they are actually real,'' Evangelista said. ``The other risk it creates is a climate of suspicion, especially if people are identified by racial or ethnic characteristics. I think that's a danger officials need to think about when they issue these kinds of alerts.'' In the alleged terror threat against Boston, federal authorities went public after state and local law enforcement agencies took steps to increase security, and reports about the threat were leaked to the media. The FBI released the photographs of the four Chinese nationals and later released the names, some passport numbers and possible birth dates for nine other Chinese and one Hispanic man they said were wanted for questioning. No information has been released about the two Iraqis who were said to have been involved. ``It became apparent that the information was already in the public domain and there was significant risk that without making some kind of public statement, there was considerable risk of this being blown out of proportion and causing panic,'' Sullivan said. This past weekend, the FBI said one of the 16 people sought for questioning has been in U.S. custody for more than two months and has no terrorist connection. Sullivan noted that authorities emphasized from the beginning that they had been unable to corroborate the claims of the tipster. ``It's a constant challenge of the part of law enforcement because they have to respond as if each of these are potential real threats even though you recognize that the vast majority of them are going to be washed out,'' he said. ``The biggest fear you have if you didn't address it as a real threat is that you're going to miss an opportunity to prevent (something) from happening.'' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10779 From: kondrak Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:41pm Subject: Re: Re: Fire closes New York subway line Dont forget all the lavish $500,000 parties the DHS (or whatever obscure acronym agency this will be called) people can scam off all that cash flowing by....and of course, the Carlyles and Haliburton's will be so much better off allow bigger bribes. At 03:07 1/26/2005, you wrote: > > If they are not capable of stopping something as simple as a shopping > > cart how are they going to stop an actual terrorist attack. > > >The answer to this is simple. The United States simply needs another >neatly acronymed agency to carry out the dangerous, perilous, devious >duties of stopping Homeless Persons of Mass Destruction. > >It would be in the interest of everyone to stop these evil tunnel dwellers >hell-bent on taking over civil liberties and freedoms from us Patriotic >citizens. I hereby vote to establish "People Of Real Koncern Battling >Against Really Radical Enemy Losers" or PORK BARREL for short. If only the >government would allocate say two percent of social security programs, and >other non necessary programs like Medicaid (we all know old people don't >really need meds anyway), we could stop another attack on our good old >nation's infrastructure. > >Where is Kerik when we needed him most out here? How dare he run around >doing the hanky panky. He has hisself some tErrorists to stop. > > >=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ >J. Oquendo >GPG Key ID 0x51F9D78D >Fingerprint 2A48 BA18 1851 4C99 > >CA22 0619 DB63 F2F7 51F9 D78D >http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x51F9D78D > >sil @ politrix . org http://www.politrix.org >sil @ infiltrated . net http://www.infiltrated.net > >"How a man plays the game shows something of his >character - how he loses shows all" - Mr. Luckey > > > > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > 10780 From: kondrak Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:43pm Subject: RE: [tscm] Government Admits Terrorist Threat Warning was Bogus (again) problem IS, realistically, each and every single threat of this type MUST be analyzed. Them wascally terrorists don't bother to file their plans beforehand, so some times you actually gotta leave the office and go on a road trip. At 12:42 1/26/2005, you wrote: >Clearly this is not on target with TSCM business yet it has been global >business for a week or so there is additional data and hopefully also the >end of a bad rumor. > > >As "a proud member of the InfraGard" the nature of this type of bogus report >(one for revenge) is one that is too common and one that plays directly into >the hands of actual terrorists. > >There are too many issues with false or customized reports getting into the >mainstream press w/o something as vain as revenge fueling the situation. >This issue was started by ONE individual and at every step of the way has >been identified as not having facts associated to this group of Chinese >nationals much less anything to do with terrorism. > >One thing to keep in mind, regarding the nature of feeding such propaganda, >this is how the terrorist will, can and have caused the world great grief >and expense - the simple spreading of rumor. > >Due to today's internet technology this situation can span the globe in >minutes and take weeks to bring to some closure. I've been watching the >text on this issue all week and I'm glad to say that it now seems to be >reaching an end. > > From my view point, the person that started this issue should be spending >time in the Cross Bars Motel (feed by the FBI) for enacting such public >deceit. > >cheers, >charles sterling > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James M. Atkinson [mailto:jmatk@t...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:51 AM > To: TSCM-L > Subject: [tscm] [TSCM-L] Government Admits Terrorist Threat Warning was >Bogus (again) > > > > Once again, DHS falls flat on their face, and whips up hysteria about a > bogus terror threat which just conveniently coincided with the >inauguration. > > -jma > > > > Authorities debate whether to make terror threats public > By Associated Press > Tuesday, January 25, 2005 > > BOSTON - A call from an anonymous tipster that 16 people were planning a > terror attack on Boston prompted officials to warn the public and step up > security. > > Patrols were increased at Logan International Airport and on the > city's transit system. Vehicles were searched in underground parking > garages. Gov. Mitt Romney [related, bio] skipped President George W. >Bush's > inauguration in Washington to return to Boston. > > All this for what authorities now say may have been an act of > revenge by a human smuggler trying to get back at people who failed to pay > him. The tipster has since been detained and was being questioned by > authorities trying to get to the bottom of his motivation. > > The idea of reporting people to the government to exact revenge is > nothing new. But with the heightened fear of terrorism, authorities have >to > decide when to warn the public and when to investigate quietly without > making the threat public. > > ``Every day there comes to the various agencies within the U.S. > government hundreds - thousands - of reports of everything from Martians > having landed in Nevada to someone who just had a conversation with Elvis > to terrorists coming with a nuclear bomb to Boston,'' said Graham T. > Allison, an assistant defense secretary in the first Clinton >administration. > > ``It's one of those situations where you're kind of damned if you >do > and damned if you don't,'' said Allison, now a professor of government at > the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. > > Most recently, a tipster called into the California Highway Patrol > on Jan. 17, claiming that four Chinese nationals - two men and two women - > and two Iraqi nationals entered the United States from Mexico and were > awaiting a shipment of nuclear material that would follow them to Boston. > The implication was that the group was plotting to detonate a radioactive > ``dirty bomb'' that spews hazardous material and can sicken or kill >people. > > The list of possible terror suspects later grew to 16, and > authorities have said they are investigating whether the tip was a false > one by a caller with a grudge after smuggling them across the border. > > U.S. Attorney Michael Sullivan said that the vast majority of > anonymous tips received by authorities are not made public in an attempt >to > prevent panic. But authorities sometimes go public with a threat, he said, > out of a concern for public safety or if they believe the public could >help > in the investigation. > > Sullivan told The Associated Press that authorities still have >found > no evidence of terror motives and nothing to corroborate the tipster's > claims. He said the investigation is still ongoing and the smuggling > scenario ``is within the range of possibilities.'' > > Matthew Evangelista, a professor of international relations at > Cornell University, said the idea of turning people in as suspects out of > revenge goes back to long before terrorism became a major concern. He said > warning the public about a threat before it is thoroughly investigated can > cause undue panic and may even cause people to be desensitized about the > threat of terrorism. > > ``I think it breeds a kind of cynicism on the part of the public. > ... People become maybe less willing to believe the threats when they are > actually real,'' Evangelista said. ``The other risk it creates is a >climate > of suspicion, especially if people are identified by racial or ethnic > characteristics. I think that's a danger officials need to think about >when > they issue these kinds of alerts.'' > > In the alleged terror threat against Boston, federal authorities > went public after state and local law enforcement agencies took steps to > increase security, and reports about the threat were leaked to the media. > > The FBI released the photographs of the four Chinese nationals and > later released the names, some passport numbers and possible birth dates > for nine other Chinese and one Hispanic man they said were wanted for > questioning. No information has been released about the two Iraqis who >were > said to have been involved. > > ``It became apparent that the information was already in the public > domain and there was significant risk that without making some kind of > public statement, there was considerable risk of this being blown out of > proportion and causing panic,'' Sullivan said. > > This past weekend, the FBI said one of the 16 people sought for > questioning has been in U.S. custody for more than two months and has no > terrorist connection. > > Sullivan noted that authorities emphasized from the beginning that > they had been unable to corroborate the claims of the tipster. > > ``It's a constant challenge of the part of law enforcement because > they have to respond as if each of these are potential real threats even > though you recognize that the vast majority of them are going to be washed > out,'' he said. > > ``The biggest fear you have if you didn't address it as a real > threat is that you're going to miss an opportunity to prevent (something) > from happening.'' > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------------- > We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------------- > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 > Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: >http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------------- > World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and > Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------------- > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > 10781 From: kondrak Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:47pm Subject: Hellova way to run a railroad... Has anyone else drawn the dots between the not so subtile warnings of attacks on the rail infrastructure, a bum burning down the NYC subway, a botched suicide derailing commuter trains in Ca. to the tune of 10 dead? Whats next? greyhounds driving off bridges? Or should I have sold my stock in the Reading railroad and Short Line sooner? 10782 From: A Grudko Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:26pm Subject: RE: Fire closes New York subway line -----Original Message----- From: kondrak [mailto:kondrak@s...] > Of course, the mob, thug, union people don't work until they are paid off to do so, (with overtime, and bribes to their thug hierarchy) so three years might be realistic. this is typical for NYC and other places where the mob's are in control. How about when the Marines get back from Iraq they implement regime change in NYC and other places where the mob are in control by wiping out the hard-core union people. -----Original Message----- From: kondrak [mailto:kondrak@s...] > Think it has more to do with our troops wiping out over 1200 of hard-core Jihadi's in Faluja. You know of course that all the homeless people received a coded warning signal to clear the subway just before the fire. And that the guy that they suspect started it was 'fired' from the CIA just after 9/11 and that his family were secretly flown out of there to a secret underground soup kitchen in Florida. Transit police recovered a singed map of the NY subway system and a partially burned trench coat of the type seen in spy movies, which according to a highly paid former general now consulting for the city 'could be used to hide things under'. Andy G ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 2005/01/25 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10783 From: Tim Johnson Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:24pm Subject: New to the list I wish to say hello and introduce myself to the list. I am Tim Johnson, located in the Atlanta, GA area and have just finished my fifth TSCM sweep. I think I'm now considered an expert. Let me know if i can help in any way. tim Actually, I've been around TSCM since 1972. -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. Member INTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. 10784 From: A Grudko Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:22pm Subject: Humour Re: Fire closes New York subway line -----Original Message----- From: J. Oquendo [mailto:sil@p...] > The answer to this is simple. The United States simply needs another neatly acronymed agency to carry out the dangerous, perilous, devious duties of stopping Homeless Persons of Mass Destruction. After an all-night session at Crawford Ranch President Bush has announced the establishment of a new agency to fight crime and terror on US subways. The Federal Underground Constabulary will follow the template of the FBI from the administrative top down to specially trained paramilitary officers who will be on stand-by to storm trains, tunnel and stations, equipped with HKMP5 submachine guns, Glock pistols and black body armour emblazoned with the letters FUC. In the event of accidents they will be supported by FUC Emergency Rescue Specialists. The President said that the motto of the new agency is yet to be decided on but 'Don't mess with us' was an early suggestion by Condi Rice. Andy Grudko (British), DPM, Grad IS (South Africa) MIS/Grudko Associates, Est. 1981. PSIRA reg. No. 8642 www.grudko.com , agrudko@i... Pretoria HO (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) Branches: Sandton (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) Johannesburg (+27 11) 781 7206 - 781 7207(Fax) Mid Rand (+27 11) 318 1451 - 318 6846(Fax) Cellular (+27) 82 778 6355 - ICQ 146498943 SACI(Pres) SASA, IPA, WAD, CALI, UKPIN, IWWA. "When you need it done right - first time" ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 2005/01/25 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10785 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:45pm Subject: Prince Nawaf Fingered as CIA Asset in Saudi The story is just developing, but it looks like Prince Nawaf was fingered this week as a major CIA asset in Saudi Arabia much to the chagrin of the Saudi Royal Family. He was immediately removed from his position pending results of the internal investigation and stripped of all of his access, and it does not look good for him. If initial reports are The House of Saud is recalling a ton of diplomatic folks from the New York and Washington area, and a number of "cousins" studying abroad have taken missing in the past few days. Sixteen feet of blue plastic will be laid down as a result and heads will be rolling in the public square or car park next Friday. -jma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10786 From: satcommunitfive Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:45pm Subject: Re: Police probe Nicole Kidman 'bug' great a FM bug listening to worms in the grass -and probably wind real useful ! and they said hi tech on the telly ! --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, James Greenwold wrote: > Imagine probing Nicole Kidman > > > From: "James M. Atkinson" > > Reply-To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:50:32 -0500 > > To: TSCM-L > > Subject: [TSCM-L] Police probe Nicole Kidman 'bug' > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/01/25/aus.kidman.reut/index.htm l > > > > Police probe Nicole Kidman 'bug' > > > > SYDNEY, Australia (Reuters) -- Police were investigating a possible bugging > > attempt on Australian actress Nicole Kidman after a listening device was > > found across the road from her Sydney harborside home. > > > > "At the time this device was found there were media paparazzi, if I may use > > that term, in the street," police inspector Grant Taylor told reporters > > Tuesday. > > > > Police had notified the Oscar-winning Hollywood star of the discovery of > > the device, Taylor said. > > > > "She is undoubtedly concerned in regards to why this device may have been > > placed there and if she is the potential target of this device," he said. > > > > The Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that security footage shot from > > Kidman's home showed a man planting the listening device on Sunday, shortly > > after she returned home to prepare for a new film, "Eucalyptus," based on > > an Australian novel of that name. > > > > "We have conclusive evidence that it was planted and this has been captured > > on video," Noel McMaster, director of Kidman's personal security agency, > > told the newspaper. > > > > "There is no doubt that any information that we were transmitting would > > have been heard," he said. > > > > Police said the listening device was commonly available in electronics > > stores and was being examined by police. > > > > It was not the first time Kidman has been at the center of a bugging scandal. > > > > In 1999, a freelance journalist was convicted in the United States of > > illegally taping an intercepted telephone call from Kidman to her then > > husband, actor Tom Cruise, and selling the tape to a tabloid newspaper. > > > > The tabloid newspaper said a woman's voice on the tape could be heard > > telling a man that their marriage was "hanging by a thread." The couple's > > 10-year marriage ended in 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > ---------------------- > > We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > ---------------------- > > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546- 3803 > > Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 > > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ > > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > ---------------------- > > World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and > > Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > ---------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > =================================================== TSKS > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10787 From: contranl Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:57pm Subject: Adaptive beamforming demo ( electronic directional mic ) . Here is another demo of "adaptive beamforming" used to electronically steer a microphone's direction In radio this is called "phased array" http://www.plansys.com/Content/ContentGroups/Products1/Sensors1/HAB1/ HAB_Audio_Demonstration.htm Others make specialised units that use up to 99 mics these units could be used in "covert investigations" One of them is called "Spotmic" By the way the above company also produces the so called "Gunshot-Detector" wich is hooked up to a (wireless)network and processed at a control-center where the location of shootings can be calculated using what they call "time of arrival techniques" After thinking very hard of how they do that...i realise that this is not really "Time Of Arrival" as we know it in radio... but instead every unit sends a timestamp with the signal i guess that must be derived from a GPS receiver. They also come hidden in traffic lights. Those traffic lights also contain a steerable video-camera The traffic-lights are made with LED's and the light beam can be electronically steered also ! (again with adaptive beamforming...i did'nt know you could do that with light also !) Very sophisticated stuff with a combination of different techniques ...imagine that they need a lot of them to make it work. They can also be used as car-accident-sound-detectors ...is what they say...they don't work as "Big Brother mics" :) :) ... :( :( ? Tetrascanner www.tetrascanner.com 10788 From: kondrak Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:16pm Subject: Re: New to the list Welcome to the list Tim... At 16:24 1/26/2005, you wrote: >I wish to say hello and introduce myself to the list. > >I am Tim Johnson, located in the Atlanta, GA area and have just >finished my fifth TSCM sweep. I think I'm now considered an expert. > > >Let me know if i can help in any way. > >tim >Actually, I've been around TSCM since 1972. >-- > >Tim Johnson > >Technical Security Consultants Inc. >PO Box 1295 >Carrollton, GA 30112 >770-836-4898 >770-712-2164 Cell > >What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. > >Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. >Member INTELNET > Espionage Research Institute > Association of Former Office of Special Investigations >Special Agents-Technical Agent >http://www.dbugman.com > >This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may >contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is >exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message >in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the >e-mail and destroy any printed copy. > >Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or >anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic >signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or >the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act >(E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in >this message. > > > > > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > 10789 From: kondrak Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:22pm Subject: RE: Fire closes New York subway line Well, as long as the Republicans are still in power, that stands a chance. However, the mobsters will in all likelyhood be replaced with people from foreign lands who dont bathe and smell like patchouli oil, for they will work for 1/10th what Americans will work for. Never mind the trains wind up on the bottom of the East river due to their incompetence, look at all the money we are saving. At 17:26 1/26/2005, you wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: kondrak [mailto:kondrak@s...] > > > Of course, the mob, thug, union people don't work until they are > paid off to do so, (with overtime, and bribes to their thug hierarchy) so > three years might be realistic. this is typical for NYC and other places > where the mob's are in control. > > How about when the Marines get back from Iraq they implement regime change >in NYC and other places where the mob are in control by wiping out the >hard-core union people. 10790 From: contranl Date: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:07pm Subject: "Sound of Voices" ?????? . Here's the manufacturer of previous traffic-cams with "gunshot-detectors" talking in this video: http://www.optisoftinc.com/wmv11.asx ??? Do i hear what i hear ???? Is the man saying " THE SOUND OF VOICES " what voices...who's voices ? storing ? Now you probably say "he's saying the SOUND of" ...wich is not the contents...in other words not what actually is being said. I like to know what that is for ...why you want to "detect" voices in the middle of a roadcrossing? In other reports they said it can't (wont ?) be used for that ... why the man says that now ? not very clever if you don't want to raise suspect. Tetrascanner 10791 From: wiggyyy2000 Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:23am Subject: Re: New to the list welcome and have a great time --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, Tim Johnson wrote: > > I wish to say hello and introduce myself to the list. > > I am Tim Johnson, located in the Atlanta, GA area and have just > finished my fifth TSCM sweep. I think I'm now considered an expert. > > > Let me know if i can help in any way. > > tim > Actually, I've been around TSCM since 1972. > -- > > Tim Johnson > > Technical Security Consultants Inc. > PO Box 1295 > Carrollton, GA 30112 > 770-836-4898 > 770-712-2164 Cell > > What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. > > Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. > Member INTELNET > Espionage Research Institute > Association of Former Office of Special Investigations > Special Agents-Technical Agent > http://www.dbugman.com > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may > contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message > in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the > e-mail and destroy any printed copy. > > Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or > anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic > signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or > the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act > (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in > this message. 10792 From: Nalesnik, Matthew Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:53am Subject: RE: Fire closes New York subway line Getting rid of useless, socialist unions!! -----Original Message----- From: A Grudko [mailto:agrudko@i...] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:27 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Fire closes New York subway line -----Original Message----- From: kondrak [mailto:kondrak@s...] > Of course, the mob, thug, union people don't work until they are paid off to do so, (with overtime, and bribes to their thug hierarchy) so three years might be realistic. this is typical for NYC and other places where the mob's are in control. How about when the Marines get back from Iraq they implement regime change in NYC and other places where the mob are in control by wiping out the hard-core union people. -----Original Message----- From: kondrak [mailto:kondrak@s...] > Think it has more to do with our troops wiping out over 1200 of hard-core Jihadi's in Faluja. You know of course that all the homeless people received a coded warning signal to clear the subway just before the fire. And that the guy that they suspect started it was 'fired' from the CIA just after 9/11 and that his family were secretly flown out of there to a secret underground soup kitchen in Florida. Transit police recovered a singed map of the NY subway system and a partially burned trench coat of the type seen in spy movies, which according to a highly paid former general now consulting for the city 'could be used to hide things under'. Andy G ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 2005/01/25 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10793 From: Nalesnik, Matthew Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:29am Subject: RE: Humour Re: Fire closes New York subway line Isn't it typical of us Americans to be so cynical sometimes, and whine like a bunch of little toddler girls instead of ever doing anything to actually make a change for the better? It's even better when it's not an American doing it, but that's a whole 'nother topic, I suppose... You're just jealous cuz our country's better than yours. Thank God above for the First Amendment, for without it, we'd never know some of the exemplary ideas that exist to make our country even better, and safer, and more efficient - at least, according to our opine, anyway. And dare anyone try and seize that right to Free Speech from us? Well, we'll just whine you to death! "Take that... 'Tis but a flesh wound... I've had worse!" (to paraphrase...) In lieu of the following short article, have we hit apathy yet? - - - BEGIN - - - In 1787 when our original 13 colonies were still part of England, Professor Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh) wrote about the fall of the Athenian republic over 2,000 years prior. "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back into bondage. - - - END - - - No, we're not technically a "Democracy", we're a Constitutional Republic, but the preceding text still holds true. And it will see itself self-evident as long as we have more whiners than doers. If it's broke, then fix it - you as an American citizen actually do have that power. And fortunately for most, you also have the power to whine just enough to not really be heard, but at least you can piss off the people who don't agree with you. God Bless. -----Original Message----- From: A Grudko [mailto:agrudko@i...] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:22 PM -----Original Message----- From: J. Oquendo [mailto:sil@p...] > The answer to this is simple. The United States simply needs another neatly acronymed agency to carry out the dangerous, perilous, devious duties of stopping Homeless Persons of Mass Destruction. After an all-night session at Crawford Ranch President Bush has announced the establishment of a new agency to fight crime and terror on US subways. The Federal Underground Constabulary will follow the template of the FBI from the administrative top down to specially trained paramilitary officers who will be on stand-by to storm trains, tunnel and stations, equipped with HKMP5 submachine guns, Glock pistols and black body armour emblazoned with the letters FUC. In the event of accidents they will be supported by FUC Emergency Rescue Specialists. The President said that the motto of the new agency is yet to be decided on but 'Don't mess with us' was an early suggestion by Condi Rice. Andy Grudko (British), DPM, Grad IS (South Africa) MIS/Grudko Associates, Est. 1981. PSIRA reg. No. 8642 www.grudko.com , agrudko@i... Pretoria HO (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) Branches: Sandton (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) Johannesburg (+27 11) 781 7206 - 781 7207(Fax) Mid Rand (+27 11) 318 1451 - 318 6846(Fax) Cellular (+27) 82 778 6355 - ICQ 146498943 SACI(Pres) SASA, IPA, WAD, CALI, UKPIN, IWWA. "When you need it done right - first time" ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10794 From: Loy Chapman Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:40am Subject: Re: "Sound of Voices" ?????? We cannot smoke in the USA and now one cannot smoke in in the pubs in Ireland. As personal freedoms slowly go away it is only a matter of time before we have no rights to privacy. The manufacturer is getting prepared for that day when the government can and will follow a citizen's every move. Orwell's "1984" just took a little longer. LDC --- contranl wrote: > > . > > > Here's the manufacturer of previous traffic-cams > with > "gunshot-detectors" talking in this video: > > > http://www.optisoftinc.com/wmv11.asx > > > ??? Do i hear what i hear ???? > > Is the man saying " THE SOUND OF VOICES " > > what voices...who's voices ? > storing ? > > > Now you probably say "he's saying the SOUND of" > ...wich is not the > contents...in other words not what actually is being > said. > > I like to know what that is for ...why you want to > "detect" voices > in the middle of a roadcrossing? > > In other reports they said it can't (wont ?) be used > for that ... > why the man says that now ? not very clever if you > don't want to > raise suspect. > > Tetrascanner > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com 10795 From: Mildred Young Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:05am Subject: Counter-Surveillance? I have video surveillance cameras installed, however it seems that I am still being vandalized without capturing it on my Lorex system....any suggestions? The police think I am nuts, I need help! I don't want to continue to be a victim in Phoenix, AZ Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10796 From: G P Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:20am Subject: Re: "Sound of Voices" ?????? Speaking of traffic control devices in Ireland, it's interesting how they've outfitted each of the walk signs with auditory cues as well (that loud "hurry up and walk across the street" sound). Seems that the Irish were a bit harder to colonialize than most. With the FBI's recent move to decommission Carnivore/DCS-1000, it's very apparent what's happening - corporations are now empowered with surveillance capabilities, and are being encouraged by the feds to collect and disseminate information on their customers - state sponsored corporatism. --- Loy Chapman wrote: > We cannot smoke in the USA and now one cannot smoke > in > in the pubs in Ireland. As personal freedoms slowly > go away it is only a matter of time before we have > no > rights to privacy. The manufacturer is getting > prepared for that day when the government can and > will > follow a citizen's every move. Orwell's "1984" just > took a little longer. > > LDC > --- contranl wrote: > > > > > . > > > > > > Here's the manufacturer of previous traffic-cams > > with > > "gunshot-detectors" talking in this video: > > > > > > http://www.optisoftinc.com/wmv11.asx > > > > > > ??? Do i hear what i hear ???? > > > > Is the man saying " THE SOUND OF VOICES " > > > > what voices...who's voices ? > > storing ? > > > > > > Now you probably say "he's saying the SOUND of" > > ...wich is not the > > contents...in other words not what actually is > being > > said. > > > > I like to know what that is for ...why you want to > > "detect" voices > > in the middle of a roadcrossing? > > > > In other reports they said it can't (wont ?) be > used > > for that ... > > why the man says that now ? not very clever if > you > > don't want to > > raise suspect. > > > > Tetrascanner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:05am Subject: RE: Marty Kaiser john if you will look at marty's site you will see he no longer sells any equipment. if your interested I have a 2050ca w/frequency extender and antenna (2050log) good to 20+ ghz that I will part with for $2500.00 in like new condition. dan taylor group The Price's wrote: I sent a email to Marty Kaiser about a week ago and so far no response, I would like to make a purchase of one of the items he indicates he still manufactures a 2050CA and a 1059 countermeasures amp. Does anyone have any info on Marty, should I try giving him a phone call. Also I am interested in purchasing a second CPM-700 REI unit only, I have all the probes, two of most and want to purchase just the receiver, if someone has a used unit let me know. John ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.