From: Hawkspirit Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 0:25pm Subject: Sweep Needed Still need someone to handle the Wheeling WV. Residential Sweep. Roger Tolces HYPERLINK "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com 760-329-4404 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10799 From: contranl Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 0:36pm Subject: Re: "Sound of Voices" ?????? . I have played that video over and over again...and the man is clearly suggesting that it can detect the sound of voices. Now this does not mean that they actuallly have implemented that but chances are that some have or will...since the manufacturer obviously offers that feature he might say to his customers: "The price is 3450 US $ do you want the voice detection option also? that will cost you only 400 US $ extra when purchased now" The customer ( using available homeland security funds) will probably say "i want the full package" Even if they are in doubt and don't purchase that feature right now they could always add that on later...probably this is just a little piece of added software for the integrated DSP chips,chances are that this software can be remotely uploaded ...wich means that it won't take less then 15 minutes to add such a big brother feature for a whole city. Also what is there to filter if you want to detect all if this : gunshots + car-accidents + human voices that covers the whole audio-range ! all of that under non-ideal circumstances (traffic-noise) Still i don't get what they want the voice detection for..and actually i don't believe it...in my vision when the man says voice detection he actually means "switching on the mic" to hear whatever is going on. Probably that can't be done with the standalone "gunshot-detectors" since they only send data-packets containing only information about when and where a gunshot was detected..but the traffic-lights is different since they already have a direct video + data connection to a control-center it would be a piece of cake to add audio. I don't think there are much interesting conversations to listen to on roadcrossings, but a practical example could be recording every sound close to such a traffic-light and use such a recording later on in for example the reconstruction of an accident where analysys of the sound could clear up things...in practice that means that every sound is pre-recorded and stored all the time ! That it's the beginning of the end..the government using 4000 remote controlled microphones in every city ! They probably also hook it up to the "Total Awareness Program" Worst of all is that the public is obviously so influenced by the government convincing them that they are in danger...that they don't even care anymore...where are the protests ? Your(state-controlled) TV-stations broadcast these things like they are normal part of life ...without any concerns or comments. One more 9/11 kind of happening will be enough for the population to allow video-cameras in their bedrooms...so all that will be left of their privacy are their dreams. All of this as part of the "New World Order" as wanted by George Doubleyou and his sponsors. Don't worry it's not only America but everywhere in the world like for example my country The Netherlands where they have since the beginning of this month a new law that tells you to have identification on you at all times...what bullshit ! when just around every corner you can buy your mariuana and hashish in any quantity you like...having everybody smoking pot on a daily basis does not contribute to a sucessfull society ... but it helps getting funds for controlling the population...Whe have had 15 Mafia-style murders over the last few years...NOT ONE has been solved ! Recently a Politician (Pim Fortuyn)who had different ideas and would have made it as president of our country was killed by some animal-rights activist, turns out now the politician was already bugged in his house and car...by the secret service. I could go on for hours ...but i am getting off-topic here. Surveillance.Radio and Electronics are a big part of my life. but they way things are going now make me sick. Tetrascanner 10800 From: Hawkspirit Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:01pm Subject: Star Sweeping Hey don’t laugh too hard at this, I have made serious money over the years sweeping homes of movie and rock stars that have paparazzi fears. Excellent clients. Roger Tolces HYPERLINK "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:45:03 -0000 From: "satcommunitfive" Subject: Re: Police probe Nicole Kidman 'bug' great a FM bug listening to worms in the grass -and probably wind real useful ! and they said hi tech on the telly ! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release Date: 1/27/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10801 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:10pm Subject: Free-speech suit filed against Japan http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/01/27/1106415700622.html Free-speech suit filed against Japan Tokyo January 27, 2005 - 10:20AM A US computer consultant says he has sued the Japanese government for the cancellation of his speech after he uncovered flaws in a controversial database of Japanese citizens' personal data. An official admitted the government had "concerns" about the speech by Ejovi Nuwere, a Boston-based consultant, which was scheduled at an international security symposium in Tokyo last November. Nuwere filed a civil case alleging violation of freedom of expression. He accused the internal affairs ministry of pressuring conference organisers to cancel his speech. "It was my impression that they felt if I said 'This is how we can improve the system', that means that the system needs to be improved. And they refused to admit that," Nuwere told a press conference. Nuwere was due to speak about Juki-Net, a computer network launched in 2002 in which municipalities assign identification codes to residents to let government agencies track people by name, gender, address and date of birth. said he had discovered "several fundamental flaws" in the system but had not planned to detail them in his speech. He had been under contract to work with the central prefecture of Nagano, which opposed Juki-Net. Many mayors, computer experts and privacy activists wanted to stop Juki-Net, saying personal data could be leaked due to technical glitches or computer illiteracy by local officials. The internal affairs ministry runs the project and was an official supporter of the symposium. "There were concerns that the planned speech would lead to disclosure of particular vulnerabilities of particular systems, like talking about how to open locks on certain doors," a ministry official in charge of information security said. He said the ministry spoke to symposium leaders but denied that it tried to suppress freedom of speech. "We welcome all sorts of opinions being expressed about Juki-Net. That's not a problem. But a person who penetrated certain systems was going to talk about his experience at the symposium. We had concerns," he said. 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For the moment anyway. http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/jan05.asp Shame. 10803 From: contranl Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:28pm Subject: Dutch police catch shoplifters using RFID-jammers . Dutch police have catched East-European shoplifters who were using RFID jammers to avoid the triggering of the shops RF-tag alarm sytems. A shop security officer saw them leaving with expensive parfums without having payed for them. When police arrived they discovered small boxes with electronics to defeat the tag alarm system Police say the shoplifters had choosen parfums because they are small and expensive. The Dutch newspaper "De Telegaaf" of today shows a picture of such a unit wich consist of 2 small boxes about the size of a pack of cigarettes...nicely packed in what looks like a little leather bag with a hook to easely clip them somewhere under their clothes. source: http://www.telegraaf.nl/ Funny that i predicted 2 months ago that the first they where going to catch with this would probably be East Europeans. Interesting how East Europeans are always the first(in Europe) to use electronics for low-level crime. A few of these typical East-European tricks: Copying magnetic bank/creditcards at tellermachines including video transmitters to see the pin-codes Emptying parking payment posts (drilling holes close to the locks and jamming their wireless alarms) RFID jammers Tetrascanner 10804 From: Michael Dever Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:36pm Subject: Re: Dutch police catch shoplifters using RFID-jammers Is there an English language reference for this? Regards Mike On 28 Jan 2005, at 07:28, contranl wrote: > Dutch police have catched East-European shoplifters > who were using RFID jammers to avoid the triggering > of the shops RF-tag alarm sytems. > > A shop security officer saw them leaving with expensive parfums > without having payed for them. > > When police arrived they discovered small boxes with electronics > to defeat the tag alarm system > > Police say the shoplifters had choosen parfums because they are small > and expensive. > > The Dutch newspaper "De Telegaaf" of today shows a picture of > such a unit wich consist of 2 small boxes about the size of a > pack of cigarettes...nicely packed in what looks like a little > leather bag with a hook to easely clip them somewhere under their > clothes. > > source: http://www.telegraaf.nl/ > > Funny that i predicted 2 months ago that the first they where > going to catch with this would probably be East Europeans. > > Interesting how East Europeans are always the first(in Europe) > to use electronics for low-level crime. > > A few of these typical East-European tricks: > > > Copying magnetic bank/creditcards at tellermachines > including video transmitters to see the pin-codes > > Emptying parking payment posts (drilling holes close to the locks > and jamming their wireless alarms) > > RFID jammers > > Tetrascanner Michael J. Dever CPP Dever Clark & Associates GPO Box 1163 Canberra ACT 2601 Voice: (02) 6254 5337 Email: dca@b... This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10805 From: contranl Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:47pm Subject: Re: Dutch police catch shoplifters using RFID-jammers I dont know Mike, I guess that my translation tells it all I could'nt find it on the newspapers internet version (wich differs from the printed) If you insist i could scan the original article with picture but that could take a while since i do'nt have a scanner myself the picture does not reveal anything. Lets wait till tomorrow to see if other internet sources have picked up the story...i'll let you know. Greets Tetrascanner 10806 From: G P Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:52pm Subject: Re: Re: "Sound of Voices" ?????? Hmm, maybe not even dreams, especially when entering into deep REM. I bet the boys over at SKUNKWORKS have been dabbling in that type of technology, remote EEG sampling in conjunction with DSP correlation. Those wild and crazy LMCO SKUNKWORKS fellows, spooky spookersons indeed! --- contranl wrote: > ...so all that > will be left of > their privacy are their dreams. 10807 From: G P Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:57pm Subject: 6 GHz Anyone ever run across a 6 Ghz signal in TSCM sweeps, specifically 6.11 Ghz? 10808 From: Michael Dever Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:06pm Subject: Re: Re: Dutch police catch shoplifters using RFID-jammers Thanks! No need to scan at this stage. Maybe some other news services will pick this story up. We will wait. Regards Mike On 28 Jan 2005, at 07:47, contranl wrote: > > I dont know Mike, > > I guess that my translation tells it all > I could'nt find it on the newspapers internet version > (wich differs from the printed) > > If you insist i could scan the original article with picture > but that could take a while since i do'nt have a scanner myself > the picture does not reveal anything. > > Lets wait till tomorrow to see if other internet sources > have picked up the story...i'll let you know. > > Greets > > Tetrascanner > > Michael J. Dever CPP Dever Clark & Associates GPO Box 1163 Canberra ACT 2601 Australia Voice: +612 6254 5337 Email: dca@b... ************************************************************************ ***** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10809 From: Michael Dever Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:28pm Subject: Re: a good spectrum analyzer between 2 and 6ghz Jim What brand/model of preamplifier(s) would you suggest for the R&S hand held SA. Regards Mike On 25 Jan 2005, at 04:20, James M. Atkinson wrote: > > You might want to consider the R&S hand-held units. > > The units are easy to use, very inexpensive, but you will need to use > an > external pre-amplifier. > > -jma > > Michael J. Dever CPP Dever Clark & Associates GPO Box 1163 Canberra ACT 2601 Australia Voice: +612 6254 5337 Email: dca@b... ************************************************************************ ***** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10810 From: contranl Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:57pm Subject: Re: Dutch police catch shoplifters using RFID-jammers I found the original story (a litle less then than the newspaper one) it's here: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article17585881.ece if you need it copy it cause they might remove it tomorrow to translate that go to babelfish: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr and select translate a website page frome Dutch to English then you get a fairly redicioulous translation but you get the point :) In addition to what i said before it turns out that all police- districts were warned and that this is not a single case but the whole country is overflown with East-European gangs exersizing this trick. Let me describe the box again...it is not 2 but just 1 cigarette- pack-size white colored plastic box ,with 1 switch and an earplug type connector that holds a plug with a piece of wire (antenna) There is a small blue-colored pouch made of soft material with a strap/belt to hang it around your neck or waist...i'm not shure but it looks like the strap is also part of the antenna. In that case i estimate the total length of the antenna around 1 meter. They say they are already working on a way to counter it. Tetrascanner 10811 From: Tim Johnson Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:13am Subject: Re: "Sound of Voices" ?????? I've only been on the list a day or so, but so far nothing has been posted relating to TSCM. I have a problem relating smoking bans to TSCM. Then again, I'm a former smoker and don't miss the smell when I'm eating, walking up to a building or actually in an office. tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10812 From: L. F. Elia Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:25pm Subject: Re: Fire closes New York subway line Kinda sad if you ask me. Just like in information assurance, where most of the threat comes from ineptitude rather than malice. --- "James M. Atkinson" wrote: > > Does anybody else on the list find it ironic that a > homeless guy with a > shopping cart was able to accidently take out a > chunk of the infrastructure > of New York? ===== Solaris/LINUX/Windows administration Internet consulting & Web site design ------------------------------------- lfelia@y..., Virginia Beach VA, 23462 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 10813 From: Robert G. Ferrell Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:20pm Subject: Re: Cryptome At 02:17 PM 1/27/2005, Tech Sec Lab wrote: >Well, it seems the DHS got their way in the end. > >Cryptome has been closed down. For the moment anyway. > >http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/jan05.asp No, it hasn't. Go look for yourself. RGF 10814 From: Tim Johnson Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:02pm Subject: Re: Star Sweeping Roger, Sometimes those who laugh haven't listened to what you can actually get from the el cheapo FM wireless mics. tj -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. Member INTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. 10815 From: Thomas Kellar Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:38pm Subject: Re: Cryptome Did you go to the site to confirm this? I get to http://cryptome.org just fine. On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Tech Sec Lab wrote: > Well, it seems the DHS got their way in the end. > > Cryptome has been closed down. For the moment anyway. > > http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/jan05.asp > > Shame. > 10816 From: Thomas Kellar Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:09pm Subject: Re: Star Sweeping This is probably priledged knowledge but I will ask anyway: What if you sweep a client and declare them to be free of bugs or other similar covert surveillance devices but it turns out your client's enemies (paparzzzi?) are bouncing laser beams off your clients windows and are listening in that way. Consequently the enemy gains some knowledge that they use. Can your client come back and sue you for malfeasence? I.e., what if 1. There is a bug you did not find 2. The bad guys are using means you do not check for I suppose that the client would have to prove that the knowledge was gained due to your alleged negligence and that probably would be difficult. I frequently am asked to check friends and relative's computers for spyware and viruses and when I am done, I always declare that to the best of my knowledge they are free of such but I never claim absolutely that they are. Is there a similarity there? Thanks for your time, Thomas On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Hawkspirit wrote: > Hey don’t laugh too hard at this, I have made serious money over the years > sweeping homes of movie and rock stars that have paparazzi fears. Excellent > clients. > Roger Tolces > > HYPERLINK "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:45:03 -0000 > > From: "satcommunitfive" > > Subject: Re: Police probe Nicole Kidman 'bug' > great a FM bug listening to worms in the grass -and probably wind > > real useful ! > and they said hi tech on the telly ! -- w8twk Freelance Systems Programming http://www.fsp.com 10817 From: J.A. Terranson Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:39pm Subject: Re: Cryptome On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Tech Sec Lab wrote: > Well, it seems the DHS got their way in the end. > > Cryptome has been closed down. For the moment anyway. Wrong: reread, and then go to John's site, http://www.cryptome.org. Still very much alive. > http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/jan05.asp > > Shame. Don't belive everything you read. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@m... 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner 10818 From: Gregory Hicks Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:43pm Subject: Re: Cryptome > To: > From: "Tech Sec Lab" > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:17:17 -0000 > Subject: [TSCM-L] Cryptome > > > Well, it seems the DHS got their way in the end. > > Cryptome has been closed down. For the moment anyway. > > http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/jan05.asp Seems to be back up. I just went to www.cryptome.org and got a nice page that looks like it was recently updated... Regards, Gregory Hicks ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3400 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks@c... I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton 10819 From: L. F. Elia Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:47pm Subject: Re: Cryptome Um no not as far as I can tell and I was just on it. --- Tech Sec Lab wrote: > Well, it seems the DHS got their way in the end. > > Cryptome has been closed down. For the moment > anyway. > > http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/jan05.asp > > Shame. > > ===== Solaris/LINUX/Windows administration Internet consulting & Web site design ------------------------------------- lfelia@y..., Virginia Beach VA, 23462 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail 10820 From: John Young Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:32pm Subject: Re: Cryptome Cryptome was not closed. The report author misunderstood the NPR account which said a DoE site had been closed apparently because it had offered some of the DHS Morning Briefs published on Cryptome. The mistaken author has since posted a correction stating that unnamed Cryptome was not closed. Closing the DoE site for sharing public information is a shame. It is likely DoE saw nothing worth withholding in the briefs. (Recall that Tom Ridge recently said that there was not really any danger behind the threats DHS warned about just prior to the presidential election.) Still, an opportunistic contractor who runs intelligence conferences is claiming the release of the morning briefs was a grave security breach which warrants heavy attendance at an upcoming conference, sign up now! http://biz.yahoo.com/prne ws/050126/law016_1.html Press Release [Begin excerpt] On Friday, January 21, there was a major security flaw in a large Federal Government Agency's computers which leaked five months of classified documents issued by the DHS. The leak involved dozens of "Morning Briefs," documents which are circulated by the DHS Operations Center to the White House, CIA, FBI and other federal and state law enforcement officials. This is just the type of problem that will be on the minds of attendees at the National Intelligence Conference next month in Arlington, Virginia. The Conference, known as INTELCON (www.INTELCON.US), is a major national security event aimed at helping the American intelligence community work together. [End excerpt] 10821 From: contranl Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:51pm Subject: Re: Dutch police catch shoplifters ( PICTURE ! ) . It's fun to try find something difficult and even better when you finally find it !... a good picture of the RFID-jammer http://www.politie.nl/haaglanden/nieuws/landelijk_26_04_detectiepoort jes_worden_uitgeschakeld.asp At the police website in The Hague,Netherlands The text is about the same ...with one addition wich is that police say they have tried the box lots of times and every time it worked and effectively disabled de tag alarm sytem. Tetrascanner 10822 From: Hawkspirit Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:32pm Subject: 6 GhZ Cordless phone base stations at 5.8GHZ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:57:49 -0800 (PST) From: G P Subject: 6 GHz Anyone ever run across a 6 Ghz signal in TSCM sweeps, specifically 6.11 Ghz? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release Date: 1/27/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10823 From: J.A. Terranson Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:35pm Subject: Re: Star Sweeping On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Thomas Kellar wrote: > What if you sweep a client and declare them to be free of > bugs or other similar covert surveillance devices but > it turns out your client's enemies (paparzzzi?) are > bouncing laser beams off your clients windows and are > listening in that way. Consequently the enemy gains > some knowledge that they use. Can your client come > back and sue you for malfeasence? Two points: (1) Bouncing laser beams off windows is a LOT harder than you might think, and works a lot worse than you've heard. Been there, tried that (in a lab environment no less), fed up with it :-) (2) I think you are confusing the term "malfeasence" with "error". They are not the same, nor even related. > I.e., what if > > 1. There is a bug you did not find > 2. The bad guys are using means you do not check for > > I suppose that the client would have to prove that the > knowledge was gained due to your alleged negligence and > that probably would be difficult. You are describing an "Errors and Omissions" issue. If you are doing work which may result in E&O liability (TSCM certainly falls into this classification), you better be carrying E&O insurance. Everyone I know carries at least a million in E&O, many carry a lot more (ten is not uncommon, but *wow* is it expensive!). > I frequently am asked to check friends and relative's > computers for spyware and viruses and when I am done, I > always declare that to the best of my knowledge they > are free of such but I never claim absolutely that they > are. Is there a similarity there? I would make this assertion in writing, and have them sign a copy for *your* records, just to be safe. Still, this antivirus thing is a *long* way from a TSCM sweep: discussing them in the same context makes the discussion a non-seqitor. > Thanks for your time, > > Thomas All the best, -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@m... 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner 10824 From: wiggyyy2000 Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:30pm Subject: Re: 6 GHz yes but the one i saw was at about 6.02Ghz approx.... --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, G P wrote: > Anyone ever run across a 6 Ghz signal in TSCM sweeps, > specifically 6.11 Ghz? 10825 From: joe joe Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:31pm Subject: Re: 6 GhZ ya sometimes they go into the 5.9 to very close to 6Ghz --- Hawkspirit wrote: > > > Cordless phone base stations at 5.8GHZ > > > > > > > > Message: 17 > > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:57:49 -0800 (PST) > > From: G P > > Subject: 6 GHz > > > > Anyone ever run across a 6 Ghz signal in TSCM > sweeps, > > specifically 6.11 Ghz? > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release > Date: 1/27/2005 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 10826 From: Tim Johnson Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:26pm Subject: Re: Star Sweeping My reports contains the following information as something of a protection for myself and my company. tim OPINION The technical surveillance countermeasures examination was conducted consistent with the standards and practices of technical surveillance countermeasures examinations. In the course of our examination, no devices were discovered in the designated area that were either installed or modified for the express purpose of listening to private conversations, telephonically or otherwise. Further, there was no physical evidence observed during the examination which would indicate that any electronic eavesdropping devices were installed and removed prior to our inspection; however, we cannot definitely preclude that possibility. LIMITATIONS AND OPINIONS The technical surveillance countermeasures examination performed was intended to draw conclusions only pertaining to the services performed and cannot be relied upon to disclose procedural irregularities or illegal acts committed by persons authorized or having access to the serviced areas. The overall effectiveness of the examinations performed may be impacted by the existing technical limitations imposed by the equipment, time constraints and the degree of confidentiality afforded by you. WARNING Electronic Countermeasures examinations of the type conducted indicates the status of the area at the conclusion of the examination. The high degree of security achieved by this examination may be compromised by any of the following: (1) entry of unauthorized persons to the examined area, (2) failure to maintain continuous effective control of the examined areas, (3) allowing repairs or alterations within the examined areas without the supervision of security or management personnel, or (4) the introduction of new furnishings and electronic equipment into the examined areas. -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10827 From: Michael Dever Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:02pm Subject: Re: Star Sweeping Tim On 28 Jan 2005, at 11:26, Tim Johnson wrote: > > > My reports contains the following information as something of a > protection for myself and my company. > > tim > > > OPINION > > The technical surveillance countermeasures examination was conducted > consistent with the standards and practices of technical surveillance > countermeasures examinations. Whose standards? We always include a copy of our 'standards' with our proposals so that the client knows exactly what service we are performing. > In the course of our examination, no > devices were discovered in the designated area that were either > installed or modified for the express purpose of listening to private > conversations, telephonically or otherwise. Further, there was no > physical evidence observed during the examination which would > indicate that any electronic eavesdropping devices were installed and > removed prior to our inspection; however, we cannot definitely > preclude that possibility. > > LIMITATIONS AND OPINIONS > > The technical surveillance countermeasures examination performed was > intended to draw conclusions only pertaining to the services > performed and cannot be relied upon to disclose procedural > irregularities or illegal acts committed by persons authorized or > having access to the serviced areas. The overall effectiveness of > the examinations performed may be impacted by the existing technical > limitations imposed by the equipment, time constraints and the degree > of confidentiality afforded by you. > > WARNING > > Electronic Countermeasures examinations of the type conducted > indicates the status of the area at the conclusion of the > examination. The high degree of security achieved by this examination > may be compromised by any of the following: (1) entry of > unauthorized persons to the examined area, (2) failure to maintain > continuous effective control of the examined areas, (3) allowing > repairs or alterations within the examined areas without the > supervision of security or management personnel, or (4) the > introduction of new furnishings and electronic equipment into the > examined areas. > > -- > > Tim Johnson Michael J. Dever CPP Dever Clark & Associates GPO Box 1163 Canberra ACT 2601 Australia Voice: +612 6254 5337 Email: dca@b... ************************************************************************ ***** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. 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