From: joe joe Date: Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:22pm Subject: Re: 6 GHZ it was with an mdc..dont worry i found out what it was..:) --- Hawkspirit wrote: > > > On what piece of gear did you make the measurement > and when was it last > calibrated? Roger > > > > From: "wiggyyy2000" > > Subject: Re: 6 GHz > > > > > > > > > yes but the one i saw was at about 6.02Ghz > approx.... > > > > --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, G P > wrote: > > > Anyone ever run across a 6 Ghz signal in TSCM > sweeps, > > > specifically 6.11 Ghz? > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release > Date: 1/27/2005 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 10859 From: Riskbiz Date: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:49am Subject: RE: "Sound of Voices" ?????? Should we change this thread title to RF shielding? LOL DK -----Original Message----- From: Hawkspirit [mailto:hawkspirit@e...] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:04 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] "Sound of Voices" ?????? It is interesting to note that if you wrap a standard cell phone in good quality aluminum foil and call it will not operate/ring. Roger Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:23:06 +0200 From: "Riskbiz" Subject: RE: "Sound of Voices" ?????? Tim, Get used to it. The list is apparently populated to a large degree by people who wear cranial tin foil most of the time. You'll see a real TSCM related piece on about a 1:20 ratio (that's what it has been in my short time on the list). But it's still a great place to hear extreme views on everything from smoking to big brother to politics...and get a laugh a couple of times a day. DK -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Groups Links 10860 From: Riskbiz Date: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:52am Subject: RE: Re: Counter-Surveillance? What exactly is being vandalized? I live and work in Phx, and will be back in the country on Monday. Let me know and I'll give you a call. DK -----Original Message----- From: contranl [mailto:contranl@y...] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:51 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Counter-Surveillance? . Mount the cameras on a house on the OTHER SIDE of the street ! on or inside a house of the neighbours that live in front or near you. Your attackers have probably figured out that you are watching them you could use wireless cams to get the signals back to you. Think about if you leave or remove the cams on your own house depending on the situation you could leave them where they are to not alert them ...or to scare-off possible other burglars. If you don't want to trouble the neighbours or if they don't cooperate...put them in a car or van...parked across the street...not exactly in front of your house. Instead of wireless you could also use a videorecorder inside the car To solve "run out of tape problems" you could use a: Time lapse recorder Timer switch Motion-detector Digital recorder (now availbale for less then 800 $ at 40 hours) Another solution could be to use a "infrared fence" 4 posts on every corner around the house. Each of them containing infrared light beams,similar to those used in standard alarm systems...mounted at 60 cm's height to avoid triggering by animals...you would have to hide them inside existing or natural looking objects...such a system you could make with less then 700 $ worth of components. 200 other solutions are available. Tetrascanner http://www.tetrascanner.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/traffic-cams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsm-scanner ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups Links 10861 From: Thomas Kellar Date: Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:46pm Subject: Re: Sweep Contract Roger, If you are addressing me with this note, I am writing in an amateur capacity with an interest. I interested in others due-diligence efforts being an ISSO (Informations Systems Security Officer) for a medium sized company. Being an employee gives you certain benefits a contractor does not have (Being a contractor for 9 years prior to my present job also enlightens me as to the benefits of being a a contractor) such as protections against being sued. What company is going to sue their own employee? Generally, the worse they can do is fire you. My example was just that - an example. When I do work for friends or relatives, there is no contract - just maybe an assumption that they give me food or let me marry their daughter or such. Thanks Thomas On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Hawkspirit wrote: > > What are the terms of agreement in your contract with your client? Roger > > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:09:02 -0500 (EST) > > From: Thomas Kellar > > Subject: Re: Star Sweeping ... ... 10862 From: Mildred Young Date: Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:28am Subject: Re: Counter-Surveillance? Actually, I have found there is a device to block recording. I am now exploring options. I am dealing with some body much more deviate than I can think. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Puchol" To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Counter-Surveillance? > > Maybe point the cameras at the places where damage is actually being > done. Make sure the lens cap is off. Make sure the recording device has > capacity to capture enough video to cover the period when the damage > occurs. Other than that, I cannot think of any particular reason (other > than ghosts or vampires, which don't show up on film, maybe). > > > > Mildred Young wrote: >> >> I have video surveillance cameras installed, however it seems that I am >> still being vandalized without capturing it on my Lorex system....any >> suggestions? The police think I am nuts, I need help! >> I don't want to continue to be a victim in Phoenix, AZ >> Thanks >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================================================== >> TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List >> "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" >> >> To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: >> http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L >> >> It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >> It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, >> the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. >> It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >> =================================================== TSKS >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > 10863 From: Riskbiz Date: Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:37pm Subject: Graduate Cryptographers Unlock Code of 'Thiefproof' Car Key The New York Times January 29, 2005 Graduate Cryptographers Unlock Code of 'Thiefproof' Car Key By JOHN SCHWARTZ BALTIMORE - Matthew Green starts his 2005 Ford Escape with a duplicate key he had made at Lowe's. Nothing unusual about that, except that the automobile industry has spent millions of dollars to keep him from being able to do it. Mr. Green, a graduate student at Johns Hopkins University, is part of a team that plans to announce on Jan. 29 that it has cracked the security behind "immobilizer" systems from Texas Instruments Inc. The systems reduce car theft, because vehicles will not start unless the system recognizes a tiny chip in the authorized key. They are used in millions of Fords, Toyotas and Nissans. All that would be required to steal a car, the researchers said, is a moment next to the car owner to extract data from the key, less than an hour of computing, and a few minutes to break in, feed the key code to the car and hot-wire it. An executive with the Texas Instruments division that makes the systems did not dispute that the Hopkins team had cracked its code, but said there was much more to stealing a car than that. The devices, said the executive, Tony Sabetti, "have been fraud-free and are likely to remain fraud-free." The implications of the Hopkins finding go beyond stealing cars. Variations on the technology used in the chips, known as RFID for radio frequency identification, are widely used. Similar systems deduct highway tolls from drivers' accounts and restrict access to workplaces. Wal-Mart is using the technology to track inventory, the Food and Drug Administration is considering it to foil drug counterfeiting, and the medical school at the University of California, Los Angeles, plans to implant chips in cadavers to curtail unauthorized sale of body parts. The Johns Hopkins researchers say that if other radio frequency ID systems are vulnerable, the new field could offer far less security than its proponents promise. The computer scientists are not doing R.&D. for the Mafia. Aviel D. Rubin, a professor of computer science who led the team, said his three graduate students did what security experts often do: showed the lack of robust security in important devices that people use every day. "What we find time and time again is the security is overlooked and not done right," said Dr. Rubin, who has exposed flaws in electronic voting systems and wireless computer networks. David Wagner, an assistant professor of computer science at the University of California, Berkeley, who reviewed a draft of a paper by the Hopkins team, called it "great research," adding, "I see it as an early warning" for all radio frequency ID systems. The "immobilizer" technology used in the keys has been an enormous success. Texas Instruments alone has its chips in an estimated 150 million keys. Replacing the key on newer cars can cost hundreds of dollars, but the technology is credited with greatly reducing auto theft. - Early versions of in-key chips were relatively easy to clone, but the Texas Instruments chips are considered to be among the best. Still, the amount of computing the chip can do is restricted by the fact that it has no power of its own; it builds a slight charge from an electromagnetic field from the car's transmitter. Cracking the system took the graduate students three months, Dr. Rubin said. "There was a lot of trial and error work with, every once in a while, a little 'Aha!' " The Hopkins researchers got unexpected help from Texas Instruments itself. They were able to buy a tag reader directly from the company, which sells kits for $280 on its Web site. They also found a general diagram on the Internet, from a technical presentation by the company's German division. The researchers wrote in the paper describing their work that the diagram provided "a useful foothold" into the system. (The Hopkins paper, which is online at www.rfidanalysis.org, does not provide information that might allow its work to be duplicated. The researchers discovered a critically important fact: the encryption algorithm used by the chip to scramble the challenge uses a relatively short code, known as a key. The longer the code key, which is measured in bits, the harder it is to crack any encryption system. "If you were to tell a cryptographer that this system uses 40-bit keys, you'd immediately conclude that the system is weak and that you'd be able to break it," said Ari Juels, a scientist with the research arm of RSA Security, which financed the team and collaborated with it. The team wrote software that mimics the system, which works through a pattern of challenge and response. The researchers took each chip they were trying to clone and fed it challenges, and then tried to duplicate the response by testing all 1,099,511,627,776 possible encryption keys. Once they had the right key, they could answer future challenges correctly. Mr. Sabetti of Texas Instruments argues that grabbing the code from a key would be very difficult, because the chips have a very short broadcast range. The greatest distance that his company's engineers have managed in the laboratory is 12 inches, and then only with large antennas that require a power source. Dr. Rubin acknowledged that his team had been able to read the keys just a few inches from a reader, but said many situations could put an attacker and a target in close proximity, including crowded elevators. The researchers used several thousand dollars of off-the-shelf computer equipment to crack the code, and had to fill a back seat of Mr. Green's S.U.V. with computers and other equipment to successfully imitate a key. But the cost of equipment could be brought down to several hundred dollars, Dr. Rubin said, and Adam Stubblefield, one of the Hopkins graduate students, said, "We think the entire attack could be done with a device the size of an iPod." The Texas Instruments chips are also used in millions of the Speedpass tags that drivers use to buy gasoline at ExxonMobil stations without pulling out a credit card, and the researchers have shown that they can buy gas with a cracked code. A spokeswoman for ExxonMobil, Prem Nair, said the company used additional antifraud measures, including restrictions that only allow two gas purchases per day. "We strongly believe that the Speedpass devices and the checks that we have in place are much more secure than those using credit cards with magnetic stripes," she said. The team discussed its research with Texas Instruments before making the paper public. Matthew Buckley, a spokesman for RSA Security, said his company, which offers security consulting services and is developing radio frequency ID tags that resist unauthorized eavesdropping, had offered to work with Texas Instruments free of charge to address the security issues. Dr. Wagner said that what graduate students could do, organized crime could also do. "The white hats don't have a monopoly on cryptographic expertise," he said. Dr. Rubin said that if criminals did eventually duplicate his students' work, people could block eavesdroppers by keeping the key or Speedpass token in a tinfoil sheath when not in use. But Mr. Sabetti, the Texas Instruments executive, said such precautions were unnecessary. "It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist," he said. Dan Bedore, a spokesman for Ford, said the company had confidence in the technology. "No security device is foolproof," he said, but "it's a very, very effective deterrent" to drive-away theft. "Flatbed trucks are a bigger threat," he said, "and a lot lower tech." 10864 From: clive michaels Date: Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:21pm Subject: Technical Sweeps As a former counter surveillance operative working for a UK corporate investigative company, I have recently been asked to undertake some Technical Sweeps. I am now retired and on a pension. Being a little out of date, and only having somewhat old fashioned equipment - which, however is still usable to over 3 Ghz - I am interested in looking for the possible puchase of some more up to date equipment (in the event I am asked to undertake more work in this field). There are so many products on the market today that it is difficult to decide what to look at, let alone purchase; prices vary from the moderate to the ridiculous - also bugging equipment has come a long way since the 70s. Any assistance you can give would be appreciated Regards Michael Calvert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10865 From: LD C Date: Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:08am Subject: RE: "Sound of Voices" ?????? Smoking bans are an example of civil liberty being taken away. To relate to TSCM and microphones in traffic lights; the following may be of interest. Taken from www.epcglobalinc.com RFID (radio frequency identification) is a technology that has existed for decades. At a simple level, it is a technology that involves tags that emit radio signals and devices called readers that pick up the signal. The Electronic Product Code™ (EPC) is the next generation of product identification. The EPC is a simple, compact “license plate” that uniquely identifies objects (items, cases, pallets, locations, etc.) in the supply chain. The EPC is built around a basic hierarchical idea that can be used to express a wide variety of different, existing numbering systems, like the EAN.UCC System Keys, UID, VIN, and other numbering systems. Like many current numbering schemes used in commerce, the EPC is divided into numbers that identify the manufacturer and product type. But, the EPC uses an extra set of digits, a serial number, to identify unique items. An EPC number contains: 1. Header, which identifies the length, type, structure, version and generation of EPC 2. Manager Number, which identifies the company or company entity 3. Object Class, similar to a stock keeping unit or SKU 4. Serial Number, which is the specific instance of the Object Class being tagged Additional fields may also be used to observe movement. Mate this technology with the "manditory identification that citizens must have with them at all times." So now we have the basic fountation in place. ----- Original Message ----- From: Riskbiz To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] "Sound of Voices" ?????? Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2 005 11:23:06 +0200 > > > Tim, > > Get used to it. The list is apparently populated to a large degree by > people who wear cranial tin foil most of the time. > > You'll see a real TSCM related piece on about a 1:20 ratio (that's what it > has been in my short time on the list). > > But it's still a great place to hear extreme views on everything from > smoking to big brother to politics...and get a laugh a couple of times a > day. > > DK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Johnson [mailto:dbugman@d...] > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:14 PM > To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] "Sound of Voices" ?????? > > > > I've only been on the list a day or so, but so far nothing has been posted > relating to TSCM. I have a problem relating smoking bans to TSCM. 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Groups Links > > > > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 10868 From: A Grudko Date: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:59pm Subject: RE: "Sound of Voices" ?????? -----Original Message----- From: LD C [mailto:ldc_esq@l...] > Smoking bans are an example of civil liberty being taken away. They are equally an example of civil abuse being taken away. Additional fields may also be used to observe movement. Mate this technology with the "manditory identification that citizens must have with them at all times." All citizens already carry mandatory identification with them at all times. It's called DNA. Andy G Africa ---------- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 2005/01/25 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10869 From: Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 6:26am Subject: File - mission.txt TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List Dedicated to TSCM specialists engaging in expert technical and analytical research for the detection, nullification, and isolation of eavesdropping devices, wiretaps, bugging devices, technical surveillance penetrations, technical surveillance hazards, and physical security weaknesses. This also includes bug detection, bug sweep, and wiretap detection services. Special emphasis is given to detecting and countering espionage and other threats and activities directed by foreign intelligence services against the United States Government, United States corporations, establishments, and citizens. The list includes technical discussion regarding the design and construction of SCIF facilities, Black Chambers, and Screen Rooms. This list is also for discussing DIAM 50-3, NSA-65, and DCID 1/21, 1/22 compliance. The primary goal and mission of this list is to "raise the bar" and increase the level of professionalism present within the TSCM business. The secondary goal of this list is to increase the quality and effectiveness of our efforts so that we give spies and eavesdroppers no quarter, and to neutralize all of their espionage efforts. This mailing list is moderated by James M. Atkinson and sponsored by Granite Island Group as a public service to the TSCM, Counter Intelligence, and technical security community. 10870 From: srhayes3 Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 11:24am Subject: List mission purpose I have grown weary of the recent climate of the exchanges taking place on the list. We seem to be getting further and further away from discussions of TSCM and technical security and spending more time on bickering and list politics. I had the pleasure of making Jims acquaintance via telephone back in 1996 and I have found him to be a wealth of VERIFIABLE information. I emphasize verifiable because there have been other list members I have spoken to who either wouldnt share info or blew smoke so far up my ass that my breath smells like cigaretts. Jim has been consistent and knowledgable on all fronts and one of the few (and there have been MANY)list members who will share his knowledge unselfishly. If he chooses to ban someone from the list then so be it. Unless that person is a close personal relative or in some way generates income for you then mind your business or at least keep it out of the list. I'm here to learn about TSCM. I could give a frogs flying fat ass who likes who or who thinks what is unfair. If you do not approve of the way the list is moderated go start your own or join another. Samuel R Hayes III 10872 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 0:17pm Subject: Re: List mission purpose Sam, Thank you for your kind comments, they are appreciated. I will do what I can to keep the list focused on the topic of TSCM. -jma At 12:24 PM 2/1/2005, srhayes3 wrote: >I have grown weary of the recent climate of the exchanges taking >place on the list. We seem to be getting further and further away >from discussions of TSCM and technical security and spending more >time on bickering and list politics. I had the pleasure of making >Jims acquaintance via telephone back in 1996 and I have found him to >be a wealth of VERIFIABLE information. I emphasize verifiable >because there have been other list members I have spoken to who >either wouldnt share info or blew smoke so far up my ass that my >breath smells like cigaretts. Jim has been consistent and >knowledgable on all fronts and one of the few (and there have been >MANY)list members who will share his knowledge unselfishly. If he >chooses to ban someone from the list then so be it. Unless that >person is a close personal relative or in some way generates income >for you then mind your business or at least keep it out of the list. >I'm here to learn about TSCM. I could give a frogs flying fat ass >who likes who or who thinks what is unfair. If you do not approve of >the way the list is moderated go start your own or join another. >Samuel R Hayes III ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10873 From: Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 1:54am Subject: Man convicted of stalking using GPS in CA _USATODAY.com - Californian gets 16 months for stalking by satellite_ (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/surveillance/2005-01-29-gps-stalking_x.htm) Thank you, Robert Pac Private Investigator InterTrace Investigations Group Specialist in Surveillance & Computer Spyware Detection PO Box 508 Southampton, MA 01073 Phone (413) 527-6990 www.InterTraceInvestigations.com MA License # P-1029 "CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission and any document that may be accompanying this e-mail transmission may contain confidential and proprietary information intended only for use by the recipient named and is covered by the Electronic Communications and Privacy Act, 18 USC Sections 2510-2521. 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The obvious answer is military service, which is where I suspect a substantial number of people "cut their teeth"; is this consistent with the perception of most people, or do you expect to see new people coming from the private sector? I personally have a fairly strong background in computer & network security and physics, with a decent understanding of basic electronics, and have always been interested in technical security but have never quite been able to push through. I'm under the impression that most people in the techsec sector share at least some of these qualifications, though I'm unsure if that is completely accurate. 10875 From: LD C Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 7:26am Subject: RE: "Sound of Voices" ?????? Where does one find a remote "DNA Tracker"? ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Grudko" To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] "Sound of Voices" ?????? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:59:31 +0200 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LD C [mailto:ldc_esq@l...] > > Smoking bans are an example of civil liberty being taken away. > > They are equally an example of civil abuse being taken away. > > Additional fields may also be used to observe movement. Mate this > technology with the "manditory identification that citizens must have with > them at all times." > > All citizens already carry mandatory identification with them at all > times. It's called DNA. > > Andy G > Africa > > ---------- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 2005/01/25 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 10876 From: Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 8:21am Subject: Re: List mission purpose In a message dated 01/02/2005 18:43:18 GMT Standard Time, jmatk@t... writes: Sam, Thank you for your kind comments, they are appreciated. I will do what I can to keep the list focused on the topic of TSCM. -jma At 12:24 PM 2/1/2005, srhayes3 wrote: >I have grown weary of the recent climate of the exchanges taking >place on the list. We seem to be getting further and further away >from discussions of TSCM and technical security and spending more >time on bickering and list politics. I had the pleasure of making >Jims acquaintance via telephone back in 1996 and I have found him to >be a wealth of VERIFIABLE information. I emphasize verifiable >because there have been other list members I have spoken to who >either wouldnt share info or blew smoke so far up my ass that my >breath smells like cigaretts. Jim has been consistent and >knowledgable on all fronts and one of the few (and there have been >MANY)list members who will share his knowledge unselfishly. If he >chooses to ban someone from the list then so be it. Unless that >person is a close personal relative or in some way generates income >for you then mind your business or at least keep it out of the list. >I'm here to learn about TSCM. I could give a frogs flying fat ass >who likes who or who thinks what is unfair. If you do not approve of >the way the list is moderated go start your own or join another. >Samuel R Hayes III ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups Links Sam a very good point but for the benefit of non US members such as myself [English] what does having smoke blown up your ass mean exactly, [a wonderful turn of phrase though] Best Regards Dave David McGauley TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L390HF UK 01695558544 07866206112 demtec@a..._ www.demtec.co.uk_ (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10877 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 1:23pm Subject: Bug Frequencies One of the lesser known hard core areas of my website is the bug frequency listings (they only get a few thousand "hits" a day.) They list a huge number of frequencies that when copy and pasted into a scanner, spectrum analyzer, or piece of (cough) proper TSCM equipment will let you keep an eye of some of the higher risk chunks of the RF spectrum. In fact most of the frequencies can be monitored with a cheap $ 90 scanner from Radio Shack, a cheap Icom radio, or a very fancy, and very expensive nano/micro/mini Cepter. I would lean towards something like a newer Bearcat scanner where can link banks of channels together to have an more than a few hundred frequencies to look at at once. This is important as many scanner will let you set up a single bank with 50-100 channels in that single bank, but you can not link banks together, which in effect gives you the limitation of only monitoring 100 channels at a time. You can just copy and paste the frequency list into the software package, and then use the software package that comes with the scanner to transfer the frequency list into the scanner where you can run through 1000 channels in 10-20 seconds. I would encourage you to divide the list between multiple scanners, so that each high threat band (ie: 350-425 MHz) has it's own receiver, but also so that when you are doing a larger area you can locate the radios some distance apart (all running the same banks) and significantly increase the probability of catching a bug while it is on the air. I also have a page that discusses the really popular spy shop frequencies, and the percentage and numbers used on what frequencies, that page can be found at: http://www.tscm.com/bugfreq.html Here is the main page of frequencies, use it in good health, and of course... your mileage may vary: http://www.tscm.com/TSCM101bugfreq.html Also, I will post some of my favorite sections in a few posting(s) that follow this one. -jma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10878 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 1:59pm Subject: Bug Frequency Table Download the following frequencies into an inexpensive scanner (cough, radio shack or Bearcat) and you will be extremely surprised what you find of an entomologic nature: The most recent, and complete version of the list can be found at: http://www.tscm.com/tscm101bugfreq.html magnus frater spectat te Happy hunting -jma 49.1520 49.5000 49.8300 - very hostile 49.8400 49.8550 - extremely hostile 49.8600 49.8900 - extremely hostile 49.8920 49.9000 49.9500 135.0000 135.3000 135.4127 136.0000 136.0227 137.0000 138.0000 138.2400 138.2912 139.0000 139.6000 - extremely hostile 139.6023 139.8000 139.9500 140.0000 - extremely hostile 140.8500 - extremely hostile 141.0000 141.3800 141.5520 142.0000 143.0000 143.1818 143.5000 - extremely hostile 143.7696 143.7762 143.7800 144.0000 144.0008 144.0028 144.0047 144.8200 145.0000 145.1520 146.0000 146.3130 146.5350 - extremely hostile 146.5356 - extremely hostile 146.7614 146.9350 146.9400 147.0000 147.4560 148.0000 148.0050 - extremely hostile 149.0000 149.5800 149.9500 149.9900 150.0000 150.3409 150.4500 150.9000 151.0500 151.3500 151.8000 151.8600 152.0000 152.2500 152.5704 152.7000 152.7200 153.0000 153.1500 153.2288 153.6000 153.9205 154.0500 154.3600 154.5000 154.9500 155.0000 155.4000 155.5200 155.8500 156.0000 156.3000 156.7500 156.7800 157.2000 157.2864 157.5000 157.6500 158.1000 158.5500 159.0000 159.6103 159.9500 160.0000 161.0795 161.2800 161.6500 162.0000 162.2016 162.4000 162.4750 162.5000 162.5500 163.8400 164.4625 - red 164.6591 164.8625 - green 165.0000 165.7500 165.8880 166.0000 166.6380 166.6625 - bulldog 1 166.8625 - bulldog 2 167.0000 167.4610 167.7722 168.0000 168.2386 169.0000 169.3300 169.4450 - extremely hostile 169.5050 - extremely hostile 169.9320 169.9500 169.9904 170.0000 170.1000 - violet 170.2400 170.2450 - extremely hostile 170.3000 170.3050 - extremely hostile 170.4875 - lime 170.6000 170.9750 - extremely hostile 171.0450 - extremely hostile 171.0500 171.1050 - extremely hostile 171.1100 171.4500 - bug 1 171.6000 - bug 2 171.8182 171.8250 - bug 3 171.8450 - extremely hostile 171.9000 171.9050 - extremely hostile 172.0000 - bug 4 172.2000 - bug 5 172.8875 - gold 172.8875 - yellow 173.2250 173.2375 173.2450 173.3125 173.3500 - extremely hostile 173.3875 173.4625 173.5375 173.6125 173.6875 173.7625 173.8375 173.9125 173.9875 174.0000 174.0625 174.1375 174.2000 174.2125 174.2875 174.3625 174.6000 175.0000 175.0200 - extremely hostile 175.3977 175.8000 176.0000 176.2800 176.7360 176.9472 177.0000 177.3200 177.3447 177.6000 177.8000 178.0750 178.4000 178.4500 178.9773 179.0000 179.3500 179.4000 179.6480 179.6750 180.0000 180.6000 180.6750 180.8000 181.0000 181.2000 181.5750 181.6000 181.9500 182.5568 182.9000 183.0000 183.3950 183.6000 183.8000 184.3200 184.3718 184.4000 184.8500 - extremely hostile 185.0000 185.2771 185.3750 186.1000 186.1364 186.6000 186.6500 186.6667 187.0000 187.1500 187.8000 188.0380 188.8610 188.8750 189.0000 189.7159 189.8000 190.0000 190.4000 190.6000 - extremely hostile 190.9100 191.3000 191.6928 191.7016 191.7750 192.0000 192.0037 192.0063 192.1000 192.2500 192.6000 193.0500 193.2954 193.5360 195.0000 195.0840 195.2750 195.3808 195.6000 195.8000 196.6000 196.6080 196.6300 196.8750 197.0000 198.0000 198.1000 198.2750 198.6000 198.9500 199.0000 199.0656 199.6000 199.8800 199.9500 200.0000 200.4545 200.5000 201.0400 201.2500 201.6000 201.8000 202.1064 202.2000 202.7520 203.0000 - extremely hostile 203.0932 203.1000 203.6000 204.0341 204.1000 204.6000 204.7950 204.8000 204.8750 205.0000 205.7718 206.3800 206.6771 207.1000 207.3600 207.4000 207.6136 208.0000 208.2000 208.4000 208.4500 208.6000 209.2500 209.7250 210.0000 210.1000 210.3400 210.3800 210.8000 211.0000 211.1932 211.2000 211.5072 211.7250 211.9500 212.0000 212.3280 212.4750 212.5500 212.8137 213.0000 213.2000 213.3333 213.7500 213.8000 214.0000 214.7727 214.7750 215.0000 215.2500 215.3000 215.5000 215.7500 215.9750 216.0000 216.0013 216.1300 216.2500 216.2688 216.5000 216.7500 217.0000 217.2500 217.5000 217.7500 218.0000 218.2500 218.3523 218.5000 218.6850 218.7500 219.0000 219.2500 219.3100 219.5000 219.7500 219.8394 220.0000 220.9093 221.1840 221.5000 - extremely hostile 221.9318 222.0000 222.4400 223.5064 224.0000 224.4000 224.4932 224.5000 - extremely hostile 224.7000 225.0000 225.5114 226.5750 227.5000 228.0032 229.0909 230.0000 231.0000 231.6000 232.0000 232.6705 234.2600 235.0400 235.2000 235.4000 235.9296 236.2500 236.3300 237.5732 238.0000 238.7254 238.8050 239.6160 239.8295 240.0000 240.0850 241.2394 241.9200 242.3093 243.0000 243.4091 243.9500 245.0000 245.2944 245.7600 246.0000 246.1500 246.9886 248.4500 249.0000 249.9500 250.0000 250.4000 250.5682 252.0000 253.0000 253.5000 253.9750 254.0000 254.1477 254.4000 254.5000 254.8980 255.0000 255.3080 255.5904 256.0000 256.0050 256.5415 257.7272 257.7300 258.0000 258.9732 260.0000 260.1120 261.3068 262.1440 264.0000 264.8864 265.0000 265.4208 266.0000 266.6670 268.4659 270.0000 270.2800 271.3750 272.0455 273.0408 274.0000 274.3576 275.0000 275.3750 275.6250 276.0000 276.7080 279.2045 280.0000 281.7500 282.0000 282.7841 283.1040 283.7516 285.0000 285.1250 285.1325 286.0000 286.1500 286.3636 287.9950 288.0000 288.0017 289.9432 290.0000 292.0000 292.5000 292.6260 293.0000 293.1250 293.1750 293.5227 293.6500 294.0000 294.9120 295.0000 296.0000 297.0000 297.1023 297.5000 298.0000 299.0000 299.1000 299.1600 299.5000 299.6000 299.9000 299.9500 299.9750 300.0000 300.1000 300.5000 300.6000 300.6818 300.7000 301.0000 301.1000 301.1800 301.3000 301.4000 301.4600 301.5000 301.6000 301.8000 302.0000 302.1000 302.3000 302.5000 302.7000 302.9000 303.0000 303.2000 303.3250 303.4000 303.5000 303.5200 303.5430 303.5750 303.6150 - confirmed hostile 303.6250 303.7000 303.7500 303.7900 303.8000 303.8150 303.8250 - extremely hostile 303.8400 303.8500 303.8600 303.8700 303.8750 303.8950 303.9000 303.9100 303.9250 303.9500 304.0000 304.2450 - confirmed hostile 304.2614 - confirmed hostile (sim-saw) 304.3000 304.5000 304.6000 304.6600 304.7000 304.8000 305.0000 305.5000 305.7000 305.8250 306.0000 306.4000 307.0000 307.2000 307.3000 307.5700 307.8000 307.8409 307.9000 308.0000 308.2000 308.5000 308.6000 308.7000 308.8000 309.0000 309.1000 309.5000 309.6000 309.6700 309.7000 309.8000 309.9000 310.0000 - extremely hostile 310.2000 310.3000 310.4000 310.4200 310.5000 310.6840 310.7000 310.8000 310.9820 311.0000 311.0630 311.2000 311.2300 311.4000 311.4205 311.5000 311.6000 311.8000 311.9000 312.0000 312.0470 312.2500 312.3300 312.5000 312.8000 313.0000 313.5000 313.8000 314.0000 314.2000 314.3000 314.3500 314.3750 - confirmed hostile 314.4000 314.5000 314.5728 314.5750 314.6000 314.6400 314.7500 314.8000 314.8500 - extremely hostile 314.9000 314.9500 314.9875 315.0000 - extremely hostile 315.0500 315.5000 315.6000 315.6250 315.8000 315.9500 316.0000 316.0250 316.4000 316.5000 316.9000 317.0000 317.2608 317.5000 317.7000 317.7500 317.9000 318.0000 318.0250 318.5000 318.5795 318.6000 319.0000 319.4000 319.5000 319.9000 320.0000 320.3900 321.9850 - confirmed hostile 322.1591 324.0000 325.0000 325.0500 325.7000 325.7386 328.0000 329.0000 329.1000 329.3182 330.0000 332.8977 333.0000 334.0000 335.5443 336.0000 336.4773 337.2800 338.0000 339.5000 339.6000 339.8640 340.0000 340.0568 342.0048 343.6363 344.0000 345.0000 345.7280 346.1500 347.0000 347.2159 347.3000 347.7500 348.0000 348.8000 349.0000 349.7000 349.9500 350.0000 350.7955 352.0000 353.8944 354.0000 354.3750 354.5000 355.0000 355.7000 357.0000 357.9545 359.0000 359.9500 360.0000 361.0000 361.5341 362.2500 362.3400 362.8800 364.0000 365.0000 365.1136 366.0000 368.0000 368.6400 368.6932 369.0000 369.5000 370.0000 372.0000 372.2727 372.5000 374.0000 375.0000 375.8523 377.0000 377.4720 378.0000 379.0000 379.4318 379.5000 379.9500 380.0000 381.0000 381.8000 382.0000 383.0000 383.0114 384.0000 384.0022 384.3000 384.7500 384.7900 385.0000 386.0000 386.5909 388.0000 389.0000 390.0000 390.1680 390.1705 390.3000 391.2050 - extremely hostile 392.0000 392.7280 - extremely hostile 393.0000 393.2160 393.2660 393.3000 393.7500 395.0000 396.0000 397.0000 397.3295 398.0000 398.6050 - extremely hostile 398.7000 399.0000 399.0300 - extremely hostile 399.4550 - extremely hostile 399.9500 400.0000 400.9091 402.0000 402.0800 402.8000 403.0000 403.5500 403.9660 404.0000 404.4886 406.0000 407.0000 407.3000 407.3500 408.0000 408.0682 409.0000 409.5000 409.6000 410.0000 410.7000 411.5000 411.6477 411.6500 411.8000 412.0000 412.6100 413.0000 414.0000 414.5000 414.8000 414.9800 - extremely hostile 415.0000 415.2273 416.0000 416.2500 - extremely hostile 416.8450 - extremely hostile 417.0000 417.5000 417.8000 417.9000 418.0000 - extremely hostile 418.1000 418.4000 418.6500 418.8068 419.0000 420.0000 420.0150 420.5440 - confirmed hostile 421.0000 422.0000 422.3864 422.5000 423.0000 423.0144 423.1250 - hostile 423.2000 423.2200 424.0000 424.9760 425.0000 425.9659 426.0000 427.0000 427.1250 - extremely hostile 427.4750 - extremely hostile 427.8250 - extremely hostile 428.0000 428.6350 - extremely hostile 429.0000 429.2500 429.5050 - extremely hostile 429.5454 429.5455 429.9500 430.0000 432.0000 432.5000 432.9200 433.0000 433.0150 433.1250 433.2000 433.4000 433.4200 433.5000 433.6000 433.7000 433.8000 433.8700 433.9000 433.9200 - extremely hostile 433.9250 433.9500 433.9700 434.0000 434.0100 435.0000 436.0000 436.7045 438.0000 439.2500 - extremely hostile 439.5000 440.0000 440.2841 441.8400 442.2000 442.3680 443.0000 443.8636 445.0000 445.9000 447.0000 447.2250 447.4432 447.7250 448.0000 448.7400 449.0000 449.1200 449.1900 450.0000 451.0000 451.0227 453.0000 453.1520 453.8500 454.6023 455.0000 456.0064 456.7125 457.0000 457.7625 458.1818 458.6500 458.8500 459.0000 459.1500 460.0000 460.6630 460.8000 461.0000 461.1380 461.7614 462.0000 462.5000 462.5600 462.5625 462.5875 462.6125 462.6375 462.6625 462.6875 462.7125 463.0000 464.0000 464.4300 465.0000 465.3409 466.0000 466.6667 466.6670 467.5625 467.5875 467.6125 467.6375 467.6625 467.6875 467.7125 467.7600 467.7750 468.9205 470.0000 471.8300 472.5000 475.0000 476.0795 479.2540 479.5000 479.6591 480.0000 480.0157 480.1750 480.5000 483.2386 483.8400 485.0000 486.0000 486.8182 488.4520 489.0000 490.0000 490.3977 491.5200 492.0000 493.9773 495.0000 497.5568 499.0000 499.9700 - hostile 499.9750 - hostile If you want the full list you will have to download it from: http://www.tscm.com/tscm101bugfreq.html vah! denuone latine loquebar? me ineptum. interdum modo elabitur. 10879 From: A Grudko Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 2:15pm Subject: RE: Bug Frequencies -----Original Message----- From: James M. Atkinson [mailto:jmatk@t...] > They list a huge number of frequencies that when copy and pasted into a scanner, spectrum analyzer, or piece of (cough) proper TSCM equipment will let you keep an eye of some of the higher risk chunks of the RF spectrum. One of my standard sweep procedures is to have an ancient hand-held scanner with about 200 locally used bug freqs running unattended as I do my sweeps. Connected to it is a VOX operated mini-recorder and once I complete my sweep I check the recording (there's often innocent noise) to see if in my procedures (picking up phones, switching on lights, flushing urinals) I have triggered any Spy Shop devices. Andy Grudko (British), DPM, Grad IS (South Africa) MIS/Grudko Associates, Est. 1981. PSIRA reg. No. 8642 www.grudko.com , agrudko@i... Pretoria HO (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) Branches: Sandton (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) Johannesburg (+27 11) 781 7206 - 781 7207(Fax) Mid Rand (+27 11) 318 1451 - 318 6846(Fax) Cellular (+27) 82 778 6355 - ICQ 146498943 SACI(Pres) SASA, IPA, WAD, CALI, UKPIN, IWWA. "When you need it done right - first time" ---------- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 2005/01/25 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10880 From: contranl Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 5:10pm Subject: Justice Department refuses to stop unlawfull tapping of lawyers . Department of justice refuses to stop unlawfull phonetapping of lawyers (The Netherlands) In a Dutch national tv broadcast today it became clear that the justice department in The Netherlands is unwillingly to stop the unlawful tapping of phonecalls between lawyers and their clients. Dutch Law says you can't tap phonecalls between lawyers and their clients. When asked about that in a previous show a department spo(o)kesman had said: "It is technically not possible to filter those calls coming from or going to lawyers offices" Today a technician who designed the tapping-rooms of the Amsterdam police declares: "It is very well possible and simple to do...all you would have to do is make a database wich contains the numbers that you don't want to be tapped...when there is a call coming or going to such a number you could immidiatly end the tapping-procedure...the system always knows who is calling trough the use of caller-id signals" A spokesman for the lawyers society is furious and says they are being fooled by the department. The department refuses to give any comments on camera but replies in an email: "We don't want to create any black zones where we can't tap any phones" The department now faces a problem wich is that they don't obey there own laws wich will certainly be held against them in the next phonetapping-case that involves lawyers. It is obvious that you can't use any evidence gathered by ilegal means... I estimate that they will solve it like this: The(lawyer-tap)evidence is not used and not presented in a court of law...they will still tap lawyers and use the gathered information to gather other evidence wich in turn they can use...they probably "launder" the origin. Soap-opera to be continued :) Tetrascanner 10881 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 6:28pm Subject: Frequency List Oops, I made a typo on one of the two pages of bug frequency lists, the correct links are as follows: The first link is: http://www.tscm.com/TSCM101bugfreq.html The second is: http://www.tscm.com/bugfreq.html Sorry about the error, my bad... -jma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10882 From: satcommunitfive Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 7:55pm Subject: how to stop tempest http://www.serversunderthesun.com/tin/ from >http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html bewell 10883 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 7:48pm Subject: Re: List mission purpose "Blowing Smoke" refers to the old shamanic ritual of lighting tobacco, inhaling it, and then exhaling it over a warrior undergoing a ritual of empowerment before going into battle. In some traditions the Shaman actually blows the smoke into the mouth of the warrior, who in turn inhales it into the lungs as another means of magically protecting themselves. I don't know where who first coined the phrase or used it in reference to the termination point of the colon, but I am sure that it is amusing. To "blow smoke" or to "smoke blow", can also refer to the igniting and inhaling of coca based narcotics such as cocaine, crack, and variations thereof. Further "Blowing Smoke" refers to the lies that a con artist tells his victim to deceive them, or weave an extended falsehood to cheat someone. To "blow smoke up somones ass" to indicate that the person "blowing the smoke" is lying to another person or group of people and more specially it refers to the con man or trickster who weaves a detailed series of lies, falsehoods, and deceptions to build up a long term confidence game. -jma >Sam a very good point but for the benefit of non US members such as myself >[English] what does having smoke blown up your ass mean exactly, >[a wonderful >turn of phrase though] >Best Regards Dave > >David McGauley >TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] >Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist >Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police >Demtec House >Ormskirk >Lancs L390HF >UK >01695558544 >07866206112 >demtec@a..._ www.demtec.co.uk_ (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10884 From: Nalesnik, Matthew Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 0:46pm Subject: RE: Man convicted of stalking using GPS in CA "Authorities contended that Gabrielyan attached a cell phone to the woman's car on Aug. 16 with a motion switch that turned on when the car moved, transmitting a signal each minute to a satellite. Information was then sent to a Web site that allowed Gabrielyan to monitor the woman's location. " Oh, okay... So it's okay for the cops to do it, but not an illegal immigrant?! What HAS this country come to? Where are this poor illegal alien's rights? Okay, I'm kidding... But seriously, --- OPEN CAN OF WORMS HERE --- If a cop does the same thing, and places a similar device on the car of someone they're tailing, without having to get a court order (which has been the precedent set thus far), isn't THAT an invasion of rights and subject to "stalking" prosecution as well? --- CLOSE CAN OF WORMS --- yes, I know the answer. That's bull$hit. -----Original Message----- From: RPacPI@a... [mailto:RPacPI@a...] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:55 AM _USATODAY.com - Californian gets 16 months for stalking by satellite_ ( http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/surveillance/2005-01-29-gps-stalking_x.htm) Thank you, Robert Pac Private Investigator InterTrace Investigations Group Specialist in Surveillance & Computer Spyware Detection PO Box 508 Southampton, MA 01073 Phone (413) 527-6990 www.InterTraceInvestigations.com MA License # P-1029 "CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission and any document that may be accompanying this e-mail transmission may contain confidential and proprietary information intended only for use by the recipient named and is covered by the Electronic Communications and Privacy Act, 18 USC Sections 2510-2521. If you are not the intended recipient or the employee or agency authorized to deliver this e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, Please delete all copies of this e-mail from your hard drive, all storage devices and destroy all hard copies. Please notify the person named above immediately by e-mail or telephone." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10885 From: Tim Johnson Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 1:33pm Subject: Re: "Breaking-In" to technical security For the most part, you are correct. Most of the people with the greatest level of experience in the TSCM field did come from the government sector, either military or one of the alphabet agencies. That's not to say that all of them did or that those who did come from the government are any better qualified than many of the PI's doing the work. If you are interested in this area, you should first try to attach yourself with someone who is doing the work in your area....explain to them you are wanting to learn and that you intend taking the appropriate courses as they become available. To determine the good ones, ask around on this group or of others presently doing the service. Plan on a long hard road trying to break into the field unless you have a pretty substantial checkbook that can carry you while you learn and but the appropriate equipment. I'd strongly suggest you wait to buy equipment until you have a bit of experience behind you as what is good for one person may not be the cats meow for another. With that said, good luck in your endeavors. tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10886 From: Riskbiz Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 8:32pm Subject: RE: "Sound of Voices" ?????? You can also find this info on www.IWearTinFoil.com -----Original Message----- From: LD C [mailto:ldc_esq@l...] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:09 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] "Sound of Voices" ?????? Smoking bans are an example of civil liberty being taken away. To relate to TSCM and microphones in traffic lights; the following may be of interest. Taken from www.epcglobalinc.com RFID (radio frequency identification) is a technology that has existed for decades. At a simple level, it is a technology that involves tags that emit radio signals and devices called readers that pick up the signal. The Electronic Product CodeT (EPC) is the next generation of product identification. The EPC is a simple, compact "license plate" that uniquely identifies objects (items, cases, pallets, locations, etc.) in the supply chain. The EPC is built around a basic hierarchical idea that can be used to express a wide variety of different, existing numbering systems, like the EAN.UCC System Keys, UID, VIN, and other numbering systems. Like many current numbering schemes used in commerce, the EPC is divided into numbers that identify the manufacturer and product type. But, the EPC uses an extra set of digits, a serial number, to identify unique items. An EPC number contains: 1. Header, which identifies the length, type, structure, version and generation of EPC 2. Manager Number, which identifies the company or company entity 3. Object Class, similar to a stock keeping unit or SKU 4. Serial Number, which is the specific instance of the Object Class being tagged Additional fields may also be used to observe movement. Mate this technology with the "manditory identification that citizens must have with them at all times." So now we have the basic fountation in place. ----- Original Message ----- From: Riskbiz To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] "Sound of Voices" ?????? Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2 005 11:23:06 +0200 > > > Tim, > > Get used to it. The list is apparently populated to a large degree by > people who wear cranial tin foil most of the time. > > You'll see a real TSCM related piece on about a 1:20 ratio (that's > what it has been in my short time on the list). > > But it's still a great place to hear extreme views on everything from > smoking to big brother to politics...and get a laugh a couple of times > a day. > > DK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Johnson [mailto:dbugman@d...] > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:14 PM > To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] "Sound of Voices" ?????? > > > > I've only been on the list a day or so, but so far nothing has been > posted relating to TSCM. I have a problem relating smoking bans to > TSCM. 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Groups Links 10887 From: delta Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 2:45am Subject: opto interceptor hello to the group a friend of mine give me an optoelectronics interceptor to play with it during a sweep i was surprise about the possibilities not so bad to have a fast view of the spectrum this device is able to lock on the strongest signal between 30mhz to 2 ghz the audio is very good also but of course it is just a toy , not a professionnal model to sweep david from paris 10888 From: A Grudko Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 6:21am Subject: RE: "Sound of Voices" ?????? -----Original Message----- From: LD C [mailto:ldc_esq@l...] > Where does one find a remote "DNA Tracker"? I don't think there is such an item yet, except at the top of the 'Technology Wish-List' of all the usual 3 letter agencies A Grudko ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2005/02/01 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10889 From: contranl Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 9:05am Subject: Opto-scout/explorer vs BC246T ( nearfield receivers ) . Nearfield receivers could be of (limited) use in countersurveillance,allthough they do have a lot of shortcomings they are nice toys to play with while on the move. There's a new scanner by Bearcat called BC246T (3 months out now) wich contains a nearfield receiver mode..called "close call" Here's a user with a first impression: http://www.scanmassachusetts.net/misc/bc246t.htm And here's a Yahoogroup for this new scanner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC246T/ Tetrascanner 10890 From: joe joe Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 6:33am Subject: Re: "Breaking-In" to technical security yes Tim while i agree with most of what you wrote I do NOT believe that PI's would be a good place to learn..their business is to investigate things like whos' cheating on who or nanny's which is where most of their business comes from, he should find a person who does tscm and security work or goto a few schools and learn the proper procedures to do a tscm sweep...I say this because as I am sure you know many PI's pretend to do the work(mostly with sub standard equipment) and then place their own bugs to make themselves look better..not a good way to learn the trade.. --- Tim Johnson wrote: > > For the most part, you are correct. Most of the > people with the > greatest level of experience in the TSCM field did > come from the > government sector, either military or one of the > alphabet agencies. > That's not to say that all of them did or that those > who did come > from the government are any better qualified than > many of the PI's > doing the work. > > If you are interested in this area, you should first > try to attach > yourself with someone who is doing the work in your > area....explain > to them you are wanting to learn and that you intend > taking the > appropriate courses as they become available. To > determine the good > ones, ask around on this group or of others > presently doing the > service. > > Plan on a long hard road trying to break into the > field unless you > have a pretty substantial checkbook that can carry > you while you > learn and but the appropriate equipment. I'd > strongly suggest you > wait to buy equipment until you have a bit of > experience behind you > as what is good for one person may not be the cats > meow for another. > > With that said, good luck in your endeavors. > > tim > -- > > Tim Johnson > > Technical Security Consultants Inc. > PO Box 1295 > Carrollton, GA 30112 > 770-836-4898 > 770-712-2164 Cell > > What you say in private is your business. Keeping it > private is ours. > > Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security > Consultants Inc. > MemberINTELNET > Espionage Research Institute > Association of Former Office of Special > Investigations > Special Agents-Technical Agent > http://www.dbugman.com > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the > addressee(s) only and may > contain privileged confidential, or proprietary > information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. 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