From: Tim Johnson Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 8:27pm Subject: Job announcement TSCM/Physical Security I was asked to give this broad dissemination. If you know of someone who fits the qualifications, please pass it on. thanks, Tim Tim, Just wanted to advise you and your group of a USAJOBS announcement out for TSCM (Physical Security types). The positions (2) are located in Arlington ,VA for DEA. The jobs are a good mix of tech, physical security design, and project management among other things. Worldwide mission and 7-10 days month travel required. The positions are Physical Security Specailist, 0080-GS 13/14 and are located on http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/jobsearch.asp?q=TSCM&lid=&jbf571=&salmin=&salmax=&paygrademin=&paygrademax=&FedEmp=Y&sort=rv&vw=d&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=80&SUBMIT1.y=18 They close on 02/16/2005. I would very much appreciate if you would pass this item along to your readers. They are a very talented bunch whom we may be interested in hiring. Thanks alot Tim, Good Luck. Mike Doherty, Acting Unit Chief, DEA Security Programs -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. Member INTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. 10922 From: Thomas Jones Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 9:26am Subject: REI comments on OPC Software Gentleman, Before I discuss the issues, I want to apologize for any frustrations that customers may have experienced using OPC 5.0 BETA. The situation is this, the new 5.0 OPC software was developed with the main goal of providing a new methodology using trace analysis to better address sophisticated transmitters such as Burst and Hoppers. This required many changes to both hardware and software, but to summarize: 1. Increasing communication bandwidth to allow 120,000 data points of trace data to be almost transparently transferred to the PC for trace analysis. (Previous versions transferred 256 data points through a serial port and only displayed resolution equivalent the OSCOR display.) 2. Completely new development of software methodology and graphics displays to address this new data. 3. Significantly decreasing OSCOR sweep time to address time varying threats. This resulted in a completely new re-write of the OPC software. In our excitement to get these new capabilities out, as a company we made a large mistake in releasing this software as a BETA version. But the biggest mistake is that we released it too early in the BETA process. Again, we are sorry for any customers that have been frustrated by this mistake. However, to make the assumption that this is the end of the story is completely wrong. I don't know who nunimeyer@y... is, and I can only apologize that you saw a very early version. We have been working diligently to fix the early bugs and have already added valuable additional features recommended by our customers. We have already released the production version of the software, and we will be releasing an update to our production version in two weeks. Furthermore, on the comments posted by "Tensor66B@n...". The modern OPC 5.0 is developed for all modern PC operating systems. The Modern OSCOR can certainly demodulate FM video. The very first version of OSCOR with video demodulation only did standard NTSC, PAL, and SECAM. However, this was replaced years ago with an upgraded video TFT monitor and demodulation circuitry that allows control of video AM or FM, Positive or Negative synch pulse, and of course NTSC, PAL, and SECAM format. The final point, is that we are always improving our equipment to address the modern threat. If you have a concern about a function or feature, please contact us. We will continue to work hard to keep the OSCOR current. I hope that the customers above that made comment will contact us immediately so that we can update your equipment and software. Regards, Tom Jones REI General Manager 10923 From: joe joe Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 9:37am Subject: Re: REI comments on OPC Software well i seen the software about 2 weeks ago, did a new version come out since then? --- Thomas Jones wrote: > > Gentleman, > > Before I discuss the issues, I want to apologize for > any frustrations > that customers may have experienced using OPC 5.0 > BETA. > > The situation is this, the new 5.0 OPC software was > developed with the > main goal of providing a new methodology using trace > analysis to better > address sophisticated transmitters such as Burst and > Hoppers. This > required many changes to both hardware and software, > but to summarize: > 1. Increasing communication bandwidth to allow > 120,000 data points of > trace data to be almost transparently transferred to > the PC for trace > analysis. (Previous versions transferred 256 data > points through a > serial port and only displayed resolution equivalent > the OSCOR display.) > 2. Completely new development of software > methodology and graphics > displays to address this new data. > 3. Significantly decreasing OSCOR sweep time to > address time varying > threats. > This resulted in a completely new re-write of the > OPC software. > > In our excitement to get these new capabilities out, > as a company we > made a large mistake in releasing this software as a > BETA version. But > the biggest mistake is that we released it too early > in the BETA > process. Again, we are sorry for any customers that > have been frustrated > by this mistake. > > However, to make the assumption that this is the end > of the story is > completely wrong. I don't know who > nunimeyer@y... is, and I can > only apologize that you saw a very early version. We > have been working > diligently to fix the early bugs and have already > added valuable > additional features recommended by our customers. We > have already > released the production version of the software, and > we will be > releasing an update to our production version in two > weeks. > > Furthermore, on the comments posted by > "Tensor66B@n...". The > modern OPC 5.0 is developed for all modern PC > operating systems. The > Modern OSCOR can certainly demodulate FM video. The > very first version > of OSCOR with video demodulation only did standard > NTSC, PAL, and SECAM. > However, this was replaced years ago with an > upgraded video TFT monitor > and demodulation circuitry that allows control of > video AM or FM, > Positive or Negative synch pulse, and of course > NTSC, PAL, and SECAM > format. > > The final point, is that we are always improving our > equipment to > address the modern threat. If you have a concern > about a function or > feature, please contact us. We will continue to work > hard to keep the > OSCOR current. I hope that the customers above that > made comment will > contact us immediately so that we can update your > equipment and > software. > > Regards, > Tom Jones > REI General Manager > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 10924 From: Nalesnik, Matthew Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 9:39am Subject: RE: REI comments on OPC Software Now that's what I'm talkin' about... someone who tries to 'square up'! A lot of companies would just blow you off, or as JMA so eloquently elaborated upon the other day, "blow smoke up your ass". Cheers to you, Tom Jones, if you hold true to your word. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Jones [mailto:Tom@r...] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: [TSCM-L] REI comments on OPC Software Gentleman, Before I discuss the issues, I want to apologize for any frustrations that customers may have experienced using OPC 5.0 BETA. The situation is this, the new 5.0 OPC software was developed with the main goal of providing a new methodology using trace analysis to better address sophisticated transmitters such as Burst and Hoppers. This required many changes to both hardware and software, but to summarize: 1. Increasing communication bandwidth to allow 120,000 data points of trace data to be almost transparently transferred to the PC for trace analysis. (Previous versions transferred 256 data points through a serial port and only displayed resolution equivalent the OSCOR display.) 2. Completely new development of software methodology and graphics displays to address this new data. 3. Significantly decreasing OSCOR sweep time to address time varying threats. This resulted in a completely new re-write of the OPC software. In our excitement to get these new capabilities out, as a company we made a large mistake in releasing this software as a BETA version. But the biggest mistake is that we released it too early in the BETA process. Again, we are sorry for any customers that have been frustrated by this mistake. However, to make the assumption that this is the end of the story is completely wrong. I don't know who nunimeyer@y... is, and I can only apologize that you saw a very early version. We have been working diligently to fix the early bugs and have already added valuable additional features recommended by our customers. We have already released the production version of the software, and we will be releasing an update to our production version in two weeks. Furthermore, on the comments posted by "Tensor66B@n...". The modern OPC 5.0 is developed for all modern PC operating systems. The Modern OSCOR can certainly demodulate FM video. The very first version of OSCOR with video demodulation only did standard NTSC, PAL, and SECAM. However, this was replaced years ago with an upgraded video TFT monitor and demodulation circuitry that allows control of video AM or FM, Positive or Negative synch pulse, and of course NTSC, PAL, and SECAM format. The final point, is that we are always improving our equipment to address the modern threat. If you have a concern about a function or feature, please contact us. We will continue to work hard to keep the OSCOR current. I hope that the customers above that made comment will contact us immediately so that we can update your equipment and software. Regards, Tom Jones REI General Manager ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10925 From: contranl Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 0:36pm Subject: Parallel wire data-pick-up technique ? . There seems to be a technique where you run a cable in parallel with a "victim" cable, you would then be able to pick up whatever data is running through this victim-cable. Although similar...this is not the famous "Van Eck" trick wich targets radiation from CRT-monitors...and restores the screen by adding newly generated sync-signals. It's similar to picking up sound on a wire Obviously you would be able to inductively or capacitively pick up radiation from any cable...you would then need somekind of circuit wich converts this back to data...next you would need some software wich formats the resulting datastream to something readable..i could imagine that standard software could do that,for example fax-spying software could be used to read any fax-messages going over such a cable... It seems all very simple,so why have i never read about this ? all i've ever seen is very small piece of video: http://www.tetrascanner.com/gsm-scanners.html under imsi-catcher there's a video describing some research work by the BSI (German in government institute for security in IT) At the beginning they show (very shortly) this "parallel technique" A complete network could be compromised like this. Anyone now more about this ? How long piece of wire would you need ? Screened cables (most of them) no problem ? What would be the minimum distance between radiating and pick-up cable and would it be possible to use this with a wall in between ? What would be needed as a "front end" before it goes into a (decoding)computer? Possibly data could be stored on a little data-logging device instead of feeding it directly to a PC ...such a logger could be empty-ed every once in a while (wireless,dial-up..etc) or send all data live. Tetrascanner 10926 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 1:07pm Subject: More Posts Dissappearing A review of the moderator logs today, reflect that someone at Yahoo is quietly deleting posts from the archive again. Looks like three more posts were deleted in the past few days, but two of these posts were ones that someone had gotten Yahoo to delete a few days before, and were reposts. The third missing message simply indicated that two messages were missing. It seems that someone is really upset by the postings, and is doing back flips to not only remove the original postings, but the reposts, and then to delete any messages concerning the deletion of the messages that were deleted. Oh well, it should be interesting to see how long it takes them to have THIS message deleted from the archives. -jma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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I put this to use in early December and again on a six inspection for a client that closes down for the holiday period. The program worked as advertised and maybe I was lucky but my sony vaio pentium III kept operating all the the six day sweep and two overnight runs without locking up on me. It is also loaded on a new HP laptop and so far has been working well with no glitches. The ability to be able to save and also to export to a printer has been a great addition to my wanting to have a hard copy of the frequencies, traces with all peaks for future comparison is good. As I said this is how the software has been operating for me and I hope it continues to do so. Also my relationship with the people at REI has been a good one. In the past I have had questions, and a few glitches in either the Oscar or one of my CPM700 units they are always quick to respond and have been able to either diagnose the problem or perform a quick turn around if a fix is needed. I believe we as TSCM professionals have a friend in Tom Jones and REI, They are known world wide for their expertise in this field. Their staff from Tom on down take our problems very seriously. If there is a problem I am certain that REI will step up to the plate and will find an answer. That is all I have, just my two cents worth.. Bill Rhoads In a message dated 2/4/2005 10:37:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, joe joe writes: > > >well i seen the software about 2 weeks ago, did a new >version come out since then? >--- Thomas Jones wrote: > >> >> Gentleman, >> >> Before I discuss the issues, I want to apologize for >> any frustrations >> that customers may have experienced using OPC 5.0 >> BETA. >> >> The situation is this, the new 5.0 OPC software was >> developed with the >> main goal of providing a new methodology using trace >> analysis to better >> address sophisticated transmitters such as Burst and >> Hoppers. This >> required many changes to both hardware and software, >> but to summarize: >> 1. Increasing communication bandwidth to allow >> 120,000 data points of >> trace data to be almost transparently transferred to >> the PC for trace >> analysis. (Previous versions transferred 256 data >> points through a >> serial port and only displayed resolution equivalent >> the OSCOR display.) >> 2. Completely new development of software >> methodology and graphics >> displays to address this new data. >> 3. Significantly decreasing OSCOR sweep time to >> address time varying >> threats. >> This resulted in a completely new re-write of the >> OPC software. >> >> In our excitement to get these new capabilities out, >> as a company we >> made a large mistake in releasing this software as a >> BETA version. But >> the biggest mistake is that we released it too early >> in the BETA >> process. Again, we are sorry for any customers that >> have been frustrated >> by this mistake. >> >> However, to make the assumption that this is the end >> of the story is >> completely wrong. I don't know who >> nunimeyer@y... is, and I can >> only apologize that you saw a very early version. We >> have been working >> diligently to fix the early bugs and have already >> added valuable >> additional features recommended by our customers. We >> have already >> released the production version of the software, and >> we will be >> releasing an update to our production version in two >> weeks. >> >> Furthermore, on the comments posted by >> "Tensor66B@n...". The >> modern OPC 5.0 is developed for all modern PC >> operating systems. The >> Modern OSCOR can certainly demodulate FM video. The >> very first version >> of OSCOR with video demodulation only did standard >> NTSC, PAL, and SECAM. >> However, this was replaced years ago with an >> upgraded video TFT monitor >> and demodulation circuitry that allows control of >> video AM or FM, >> Positive or Negative synch pulse, and of course >> NTSC, PAL, and SECAM >> format. >> >> The final point, is that we are always improving our >> equipment to >> address the modern threat. If you have a concern >> about a function or >> feature, please contact us. We will continue to work >> hard to keep the >> OSCOR current. I hope that the customers above that >> made comment will >> contact us immediately so that we can update your >> equipment and >> software. >> >> Regards, >> Tom Jones >> REI General Manager >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > 10928 From: kondrak Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 4:09pm Subject: Re: More Posts Dissappearing Be advised this msg will be spread far and wide, to alert others of the actions... At 14:07 2/4/2005, you wrote: >A review of the moderator logs today, reflect that someone at Yahoo is >quietly deleting posts from the archive again. > >Looks like three more posts were deleted in the past few days, but two of >these posts were ones that someone had gotten Yahoo to delete a few days >before, and were reposts. The third missing message simply indicated that >two messages were missing. > >It seems that someone is really upset by the postings, and is doing back >flips to not only remove the original postings, but the reposts, and then >to delete any messages concerning the deletion of the messages that were >deleted. > >Oh well, it should be interesting to see how long it takes them to have >THIS message deleted from the archives. > >-jma > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > James M. 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Groups Links > > > > 10929 From: Hawkspirit Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 5:56pm Subject: Oscor I did a sweep in the past few years in which I detected a burst bug sending out short duration pulse bursts. After the client saw my results he hired a second sweep team to come in and confirm my findings. They brought an Oscor and it would not receive and display this short pulse wave transmission. Missed the boat completely! Roger HYPERLINK "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:40:48 -0500 From: Tensor66B@n... Subject: Re: oscor opc software....ughhhhh!! Genlemen, It seems to me that OSCOR software was developed for Windows 3.0 and was never redesigned since then. Apart from software some other features either do not work as claimed or useleless in today´s environment, e.g. AM video reception. Who ever saw a surveillance video running AM last 20 years? OSCOR cannot FM (I tried myself). Probably it was not a bad system for the 80s albeit not better than swiss made 1974 model XY-Mini-Spy-Detector (bench made but 100% based on top quality CEI and Watkins Johnson modules this system also used AF correlation method BEFORE REI revolutionary reinvented it). But irony is that for all practical purposes there is no competition to OSCOR today. A professional TSCM specialist does not need OSCOR: even a cheap hobby class receiver and an analog spectrum analyzer will help much more. But there a maybe a few professionals in this business, overwhelming majority are PIs (best case) or amateurs. Look at theit "credentials" on their websites: their "education" is limited to some 2hours to 2days course or apprenticeship. Some of them have B.Sc or evem M.Sc but not in Electronics or related fiels. They need OSCOR. And for this purpose it is good enough. And be I on REI board I would hesitate with redesign of the system: it could be a zero return investment. Regards, A.W. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10930 From: joe joe Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 8:10pm Subject: Re: Oscor i did a test with the oscor and a spectrum analyzer and both catch burst trans...as long as you do a long enough sweep the oscor works very well, i don't knock their equipment , all i spoke of was their opc software --- Hawkspirit wrote: > > > I did a sweep in the past few years in which I > detected a burst bug sending > out short duration pulse bursts. After the client > saw my results he hired a > second sweep team to come in and confirm my > findings. They brought an Oscor > and it would not receive and display this short > pulse wave transmission. > Missed the boat completely! > > Roger > > HYPERLINK > "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com > > > > Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:40:48 -0500 > > From: Tensor66B@n... > > Subject: Re: oscor opc software....ughhhhh!! > > > > > > Genlemen, > > > > It seems to me that OSCOR software was developed for > Windows 3.0 > > and was never redesigned since then. Apart from > software some other > > features either do not work as claimed or useleless > in today´s > > environment, e.g. AM video reception. Who ever saw a > surveillance > > video running AM last 20 years? OSCOR cannot FM (I > tried myself). > > Probably it was not a bad system for the 80s albeit > not better > > than swiss made 1974 model XY-Mini-Spy-Detector > (bench made but 100% based > > on top quality CEI and Watkins Johnson modules this > system also > > used AF correlation method BEFORE REI revolutionary > reinvented it). > > > > But irony is that for all practical purposes there > is no competition > > to OSCOR today. A professional TSCM specialist does > not need > > OSCOR: even a cheap hobby class receiver and an > analog spectrum analyzer > > will help much more. But there a maybe a few > professionals in this > > business, overwhelming majority are PIs (best case) > or amateurs. > > Look at theit "credentials" on their websites: their > "education" > > is limited to some 2hours to 2days course or > apprenticeship. Some of > > them have B.Sc or evem M.Sc but not in Electronics > or related > > fiels. > > > > They need OSCOR. And for this purpose it is good > enough. And be I on REI > board I would hesitate with redesign of the system: > it could be a zero > > return investment. > > > > Regards, > > A.W. > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release > Date: 2/3/2005 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 10931 From: joe joe Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 8:12pm Subject: Re: REI comments on OPC Software BGR that is fine..i do agree that they do have good products..i never said they didn't but, on the opc software they have a problem..i have spoken to a few people from the REI classes and they have told me the same, i am glad it is working out for you, but as they say they are in beta mode so they DO know there are flaws in it, that is all i was stating, when there is an update and it WORKS i will gladly say they did a great job on it,truth is truth --- BGR101@a... wrote: > The Group; > > I am just going to give you my reflection and use of > the OPC software that has been mentioned in a few of > the messages on the list. > > In November of 2004 I updated my Oscar to the latest > OPC update 5 from REI at their Algood Tennessee > location. The ability to save traces and use the > overlapping capabilities with different colors for > archival usage sounded good for me. > > I put this to use in early December and again on a > six inspection for a client that closes down for the > holiday period. The program worked as advertised > and maybe I was lucky but my sony vaio pentium III > kept operating all the the six day sweep and two > overnight runs without locking up on me. It is also > loaded on a new HP laptop and so far has been > working well with no glitches. > > The ability to be able to save and also to export to > a printer has been a great addition to my wanting to > have a hard copy of the frequencies, traces with all > peaks for future comparison is good. > > As I said this is how the software has been > operating for me and I hope it continues to do so. > Also my relationship with the people at REI has been > a good one. In the past I have had questions, and a > few glitches in either the Oscar or one of my CPM700 > units they are always quick to respond and have been > able to either diagnose the problem or perform a > quick turn around if a fix is needed. > > I believe we as TSCM professionals have a friend in > Tom Jones and REI, They are known world wide for > their expertise in this field. Their staff from Tom > on down take our problems very seriously. If there > is a problem I am certain that REI will step up to > the plate and will find an answer. > > That is all I have, just my two cents worth.. > > Bill Rhoads > > > > In a message dated 2/4/2005 10:37:11 AM Eastern > Standard Time, joe joe > writes: > > > > > > >well i seen the software about 2 weeks ago, did a > new > >version come out since then? > >--- Thomas Jones > wrote: > > > >> > >> Gentleman, > >> > >> Before I discuss the issues, I want to apologize > for > >> any frustrations > >> that customers may have experienced using OPC 5.0 > >> BETA. > >> > >> The situation is this, the new 5.0 OPC software > was > >> developed with the > >> main goal of providing a new methodology using > trace > >> analysis to better > >> address sophisticated transmitters such as Burst > and > >> Hoppers. This > >> required many changes to both hardware and > software, > >> but to summarize: > >> 1. Increasing communication bandwidth to allow > >> 120,000 data points of > >> trace data to be almost transparently transferred > to > >> the PC for trace > >> analysis. (Previous versions transferred 256 data > >> points through a > >> serial port and only displayed resolution > equivalent > >> the OSCOR display.) > >> 2. Completely new development of software > >> methodology and graphics > >> displays to address this new data. > >> 3. Significantly decreasing OSCOR sweep time to > >> address time varying > >> threats. > >> This resulted in a completely new re-write of the > >> OPC software. > >> > >> In our excitement to get these new capabilities > out, > >> as a company we > >> made a large mistake in releasing this software > as a > >> BETA version. But > >> the biggest mistake is that we released it too > early > >> in the BETA > >> process. Again, we are sorry for any customers > that > >> have been frustrated > >> by this mistake. > >> > >> However, to make the assumption that this is the > end > >> of the story is > >> completely wrong. I don't know who > >> nunimeyer@y... is, and I can > >> only apologize that you saw a very early version. > We > >> have been working > >> diligently to fix the early bugs and have already > >> added valuable > >> additional features recommended by our customers. > We > >> have already > >> released the production version of the software, > and > >> we will be > >> releasing an update to our production version in > two > >> weeks. > >> > >> Furthermore, on the comments posted by > >> "Tensor66B@n...". The > >> modern OPC 5.0 is developed for all modern PC > >> operating systems. The > >> Modern OSCOR can certainly demodulate FM video. > The > >> very first version > >> of OSCOR with video demodulation only did > standard > >> NTSC, PAL, and SECAM. > >> However, this was replaced years ago with an > >> upgraded video TFT monitor > >> and demodulation circuitry that allows control of > >> video AM or FM, > >> Positive or Negative synch pulse, and of course > >> NTSC, PAL, and SECAM > >> format. > >> > >> The final point, is that we are always improving > our > >> equipment to > >> address the modern threat. If you have a concern > >> about a function or > >> feature, please contact us. We will continue to > work > >> hard to keep the > >> OSCOR current. I hope that the customers above > that > >> made comment will > >> contact us immediately so that we can update your > >> equipment and > >> software. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Tom Jones > >> REI General Manager > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is > strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts > acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a > warning. > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com 10932 From: Gregory Hicks Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 1:13pm Subject: Re: More Posts Dissappearing Jim: Just out of curiousity, what are the messages that are disappearing? Is there anyone at Yahoo you could complain to? That is *not* supposed to happen... Just a different thought: Are list members allowed to modify the archives? If so, you might want to change that... Oh well. Sorry! Regards, Gregory Hicks > To: TSCM-L > From: "James M. Atkinson" > Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:07:49 -0500 > Subject: [TSCM-L] More Posts Dissappearing > > > > A review of the moderator logs today, reflect that someone at Yahoo is > quietly deleting posts from the archive again. > > Looks like three more posts were deleted in the past few days, but two of > these posts were ones that someone had gotten Yahoo to delete a few days > before, and were reposts. The third missing message simply indicated that > two messages were missing. > > It seems that someone is really upset by the postings, and is doing back > flips to not only remove the original postings, but the reposts, and then > to delete any messages concerning the deletion of the messages that were > deleted. > > Oh well, it should be interesting to see how long it takes them to have > THIS message deleted from the archives. > > -jma > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- > We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- > James M. 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Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3400 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks@c... I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton 10933 From: Agent Carrion Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 3:22pm Subject: Re: Parallel wire data-pick-up technique ? This is such an interesting post! This is why I joined this group! ;-) --- contranl wrote: > > . > > There seems to be a technique where you run a cable > in parallel > with a "victim" cable, you would then be able to > pick up whatever > data is running through this victim-cable. > > Although similar...this is not the famous "Van Eck" > trick wich > targets radiation from CRT-monitors...and restores > the screen by > adding newly generated sync-signals. > > It's similar to picking up sound on a wire > > Obviously you would be able to inductively or > capacitively pick up > radiation from any cable...you would then need > somekind of circuit > wich converts this back to data...next you would > need some software > wich formats the resulting datastream to something > readable..i could > imagine that standard software could do that,for > example fax-spying > software could be used to read any fax-messages > going over such a > cable... > > It seems all very simple,so why have i never read > about this ? > all i've ever seen is very small piece of video: > > http://www.tetrascanner.com/gsm-scanners.html > > under imsi-catcher there's a video describing some > research work by > the BSI (German in government institute for security > in IT) > At the beginning they show (very shortly) this > "parallel technique" > > A complete network could be compromised like this. > > Anyone now more about this ? > How long piece of wire would you need ? > Screened cables (most of them) no problem ? > What would be the minimum distance between radiating > and pick-up > cable and would it be possible to use this with a > wall in between ? > > What would be needed as a "front end" before it goes > into a > (decoding)computer? > > Possibly data could be stored on a little > data-logging device instead > of feeding it directly to a PC ...such a logger > could be empty-ed > every once in a while (wireless,dial-up..etc) or > send all data live. > > > Tetrascanner > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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I find it hard to believe that they would simply blame it on your computer unless your computer was truly the problem. Although you may not have signed your post for other reasons, by not signing it you raise credibility issues when you are complaining about a companies product in a public manner. If I know REI, I would bet that they have been trying to contact you since you posted your initial complaint in order to assist you, Please let us know how the situation turns out. Jeff Evert Arizona Technical Security 10936 From: Michael Jordan Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 11:44am Subject: Re: iPods and Ilisten Hey Bubba Timbo! Only an Apple stevejobber salesman would hype the ipod. They represent the biggest consumer scam since head cheese. The PC market has many more devices which are smaller and less expensive with comparable storage capability. Creative, Rio, PNY etc. with more in the market every day. If you want to bug public bathrooms why not just hang out in the stalls with the door shut? Interesting that you use the term 'privy' which in Georgia means the outhouse. I find it hard to believe that you get paid for hanging out in bathrooms, of course there is the train station privy in Plains where Zell Miller gets his choicest intelligence. On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:59:56 -0500, Tim Johnson wrote: > > Aren't those iPod's by Apple just about the neatest thing that's come > along in years. Anywhere from 4 to multi bunch of gig of memory for > storing thousands and thousands of your favorite tunes. It would take > you from now till way past then to listen to all of them, even if you > did nothing but listen full time, were you to max it out with tunes. > > I, personally, don't think I have thousands of favorite tunes, but > how would I know unless I listened. > > Something that MIGHT be worth listening to would be what goes on in > places I'm not normally privy to, such as rest rooms, break rooms, > locker rooms, board rooms, offices, conference rooms or anywhere else > I can't get to whenever i want to be there. > > How would I do that???? > > I'd probably buy an iPod and the ITalk attachment (for $39.95) and do > the hide thingy. That would give you thousands of hours of > conversation. They're small and powerful (and getting smaller and > more powerful). Almost everyone has them. They're not questioned like > cell phones, cameras and audio recorders are (after all, they are > just playback units for music, aren't they?). > > You see them in offices, attached to speakers so that the occupant > can listen, and listen, and listen while he/she works (I haven't seen > them in meeting or board rooms yet, but it is just a matter of time > before they replace the CD player that is already there. > > So, the next time you see one, think about where it is going or where > it has been. > > Did I mention that with PodLock by Micromat, Inc. you can even create > a secret drive that keeps sensitive data (surreptitious recordings, > maybe?) away from prying eyes. > > And it is all right out in plain view. Just lay it on a desk or > table, along with the headphones and almost no one is going to > question it. > > Just something to think about. > > Tim > > Apologies for any cross postings. > -- > > Tim Johnson > > Technical Security Consultants Inc. > PO Box 1295 > Carrollton, GA 30112 > 770-836-4898 > 770-712-2164 Cell > > What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. > > Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. > Member INTELNET > Espionage Research Institute > Association of Former Office of Special Investigations > Special Agents-Technical Agent > http://www.dbugman.com > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may > contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. 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Terms of Service. -- Michael Jordan apollotomorrow@g... http://www.transbay.net/~ballgame/ http://apollotomorrow.blogspot.com http://starjockey.blogspot.com http://joshuaproject.blogspot.com 10937 From: joe joe Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 11:13pm Subject: Re: Re: oscor opc software look,REI has admitted it has a problem, so i think some people should stop making excuses for it and saying how wonderful it is, i spoke with someone that was at the school a few weeks ago and he confirmed to me that AT THE SCHOOL it was bugging out,THE PC AT THE SCHOOL CRASHED TOO,( are you calling him a liar thomas?) so please enough of the excuses or saying how great it is for you, thomas i personally could care less because i don't use the software but don't proclaim it to be so great when it is not, like i said when it is fixed and when enough people i know that use it say it is good, i will do a total retraction --- "J.Evert" wrote: > > > I upgraded my Oscor to the 5.0 in June and have been > using the > software since late July when the test version came > out. I have > been completely satisfied with the software and the > new 5.0 Oscor. > The initial version had some small bugs, and I > expected this as it > was a beta version and I was asked by rei to report > any problems so > they could fix any discovered bugs in the software. > I never had > any problems with my computer crashing, and I have > been using the > software repeatedly for over five months now. I > believe the current > software version is the 3rd release, each release > fixing small > problems of previous versions. > > From my personal experience with rei, they have been > extremely > professional and courteous, and willing to do more > than any other > company I have dealt with to satisfy their > customers. I find it > hard to believe that they would simply blame it on > your computer > unless your computer was truly the problem. > > Although you may not have signed your post for other > reasons, by not > signing it you raise credibility issues when you are > complaining > about a companies product in a public manner. > > If I know REI, I would bet that they have been > trying to contact you > since you posted your initial complaint in order to > assist you, > Please let us know how the situation turns out. > > > Jeff Evert > Arizona Technical Security > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 10938 From: Tim Johnson Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 11:58pm Subject: Re: iPods and Ilisten Michael, If you'll read it carefully you won't find an endorsement of the iPod. Some would call my initial comments "tongue-in-cheek". The rest of the comment had to do with places those who have been around the business for any length of time have found devices. Yes!! in restrooms, break rooms, and etc. What i was tryinjg to do (and apparently it went WAAAAAY over your head) was to point out the iPod could be used for something other than what it was designed for. Something the professional TSCMers needed to be made aware of so that their clients can be briefed as to the threat. In fact, if it still escapes you as to what the post was made for, I'll be glad to take your call and explain it is smaller words than i used in the post. Or, I'm sure, any of the others who do TSCM for a profession will be glad to do it for me. That's what we are here for.....to educate and explain and exchange ideas. As for privy, having been raised in Georgia (probably a long time before you was born) I am intimate with the word. but, it is also the term used to describe what used to be a very influential group of people who were advisors to the British Sovereign, known as Her Majesty's Most Honorable Privy Council. So, you see, it has at least three different meanings, two of which aren't associated with a** holes or defecation. Beyond that, if you need any additional education in eavesdropping, intelligence gathering or snooping, let us know on the forum. We'll do our best to educate you, even with your learning disability. tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10939 From: Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 10:28pm Subject: Re: Oscor In a message dated 04/02/2005 23:59:37 GMT Standard Time, hawkspirit@e... writes: I did a sweep in the past few years in which I detected a burst bug sending out short duration pulse bursts. After the client saw my results he hired a second sweep team to come in and confirm my findings. They brought an Oscor and it would not receive and display this short pulse wave transmission. Missed the boat completely! Roger HYPERLINK "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com Roger I take it that you used a Spectrum Analyser on your original sweep when you detected the Burst device Regards Dave David McGauley TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L390HF UK 01695558544 07866206112 demtec@a..._ www.demtec.co.uk_ (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10941 From: Michael Dever Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 5:56am Subject: Re: Oscor Speaking of 'burst bugs' - what level of threat do you believe they belong at? That is; professional/amateur, etc. Regards Mike On 05 Feb 2005, at 20:28, DEMTEC@A... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 04/02/2005 23:59:37 GMT Standard Time, > hawkspirit@e... writes: > > > > > I did a sweep in the past few years in which I detected a burst bug > sending > out short duration pulse bursts. After the client saw my results he > hired a > second sweep team to come in and confirm my findings. They brought an > Oscor > and it would not receive and display this short pulse wave > transmission. > Missed the boat completely! > > Roger > > HYPERLINK "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com > > > > > > > Roger I take it that you used a Spectrum Analyser on your original > sweep > when you detected the Burst device > Regards Dave > > David McGauley > TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] > Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist > Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police > Demtec House > Ormskirk > Lancs L390HF > UK > 01695558544 > 07866206112 > demtec@a..._ www.demtec.co.uk_ (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10942 From: joe joe Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 5:59am Subject: Re: Oscor right now my personal opinion is that an amateur with some ham radio experience can do the job pretty good --- Michael Dever wrote: > Speaking of 'burst bugs' - what level of threat do > you believe they > belong at? > > That is; professional/amateur, etc. > > Regards > Mike > > On 05 Feb 2005, at 20:28, DEMTEC@A... wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 04/02/2005 23:59:37 GMT > Standard Time, > > hawkspirit@e... writes: > > > > > > > > > > I did a sweep in the past few years in which I > detected a burst bug > > sending > > out short duration pulse bursts. After the client > saw my results he > > hired a > > second sweep team to come in and confirm my > findings. They brought an > > Oscor > > and it would not receive and display this short > pulse wave > > transmission. > > Missed the boat completely! > > > > Roger > > > > HYPERLINK > "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger I take it that you used a Spectrum Analyser > on your original > > sweep > > when you detected the Burst device > > Regards Dave > > > > David McGauley > > TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] > > Electronic Surveillance and Sweep Specialist > > Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police > > Demtec House > > Ormskirk > > Lancs L390HF > > UK > > 01695558544 > > 07866206112 > > demtec@a..._ www.demtec.co.uk_ > (http://www.demtec.co.uk/) > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is > strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list > visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts > acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a > warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > =================================================== > TSKS > > Yahoo! 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Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo 10943 From: Agent Geiger Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 10:45am Subject: Re: More Posts Dissappearing What is the content of the messages? --- Gregory Hicks wrote: > > Jim: > > Just out of curiousity, what are the messages that > are disappearing? > > Is there anyone at Yahoo you could complain to? > That is *not* supposed > to happen... > > Just a different thought: Are list members allowed > to modify the > archives? If so, you might want to change that... > > Oh well. Sorry! > > Regards, > Gregory Hicks > > > To: TSCM-L > > From: "James M. Atkinson" > > Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:07:49 -0500 > > Subject: [TSCM-L] More Posts Dissappearing > > > > > > > > A review of the moderator logs today, reflect that > someone at Yahoo is > > quietly deleting posts from the archive again. > > > > Looks like three more posts were deleted in the > past few days, but two of > > these posts were ones that someone had gotten > Yahoo to delete a few days > > before, and were reposts. The third missing > message simply indicated that > > two messages were missing. > > > > It seems that someone is really upset by the > postings, and is doing back > > flips to not only remove the original postings, > but the reposts, and then > > to delete any messages concerning the deletion of > the messages that were > > deleted. > > > > Oh well, it should be interesting to see how long > it takes them to have > > THIS message deleted from the archives. > > > > -jma > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------- > > We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, > and Real Wiretappers. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------- > > James M. Atkinson > Phone: (978) 546-3803 > > Granite Island Group Fax: > (978) 546-9467 > > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 > Web: http://www.tscm.com/ > > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: > mailto:jmatk@t... > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------- > > World Class, Professional, Ethical, and > Competent Bug Sweeps, and > > Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory > Grade Test Equipment. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is > strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list > visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts > acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a > warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > =================================================== > TSKS > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gregory Hicks | Principal > Systems Engineer > Cadence Design Systems | Direct: > 408.576.3609 > 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: > 408.894.3400 > San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: > ghicks@c... > > I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. > I will surely > learn a great deal today. > > "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on > what to have for > lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the > results of the > decision." - Benjamin Franklin > > "The best we can hope for concerning the people at > large is that they > be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail 10944 From: G P Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 10:50am Subject: Re: Parallel wire data-pick-up technique ? Hi Tetra There is a decent amount of public research pertaining to TEMPEST out there, although not from the U.S. Best place to get started is the unofficial TEMPEST Information page: http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html Markus Kuhn's paper is a great resource, as are the Turkish National Institute of of Electronics and Cryptology papers ("Information Extraction from the Radiation of VDUs by Pattern Recognition Methods", and "Signal Processing Applications for Information Extraction from the Radiation of VDUs"). For sniffing serial links for ambient comms, dig around for an older document called "TEMPEST in a Teapot". It talks about sniffing serial links in the fashion you described circa 1993, and includes some excellent resources for shielding and the like. Processor noise can also be used for picking up interesting tidbits like key material used in crypto processors, the process is referred to as side channel cryptanalysis and has been used for a wide variety of attacks, including timing attacks against smart cards and other neato things like watching the power rail on embedded devices for spikes to determine key information. To demodulate up to 2400 bps modem traffic, grab an older US Robotics Courier HST modem, it has an undocumented test mode that turns off the transmit carrier and allows you to throw it inline with any modem connection (or decent quality recording of a modem connection), up to 2400 bps speeds - ATO is used to demodulate the originating tones, ATA for the receiving side once the modem is in that special test mode. Greg --- contranl wrote: > > > . > > There seems to be a technique where you run a cable > in parallel > with a "victim" cable, you would then be able to > pick up whatever > data is running through this victim-cable. > > Although similar...this is not the famous "Van Eck" > trick wich > targets radiation from CRT-monitors...and restores > the screen by > adding newly generated sync-signals. > > It's similar to picking up sound on a wire > > Obviously you would be able to inductively or > capacitively pick up > radiation from any cable...you would then need > somekind of circuit > wich converts this back to data...next you would > need some software > wich formats the resulting datastream to something > readable..i could > imagine that standard software could do that,for > example fax-spying > software could be used to read any fax-messages > going over such a > cable... > > It seems all very simple,so why have i never read > about this ? > all i've ever seen is very small piece of video: > > http://www.tetrascanner.com/gsm-scanners.html > > under imsi-catcher there's a video describing some > research work by > the BSI (German in government institute for security > in IT) > At the beginning they show (very shortly) this > "parallel technique" > > A complete network could be compromised like this. > > Anyone now more about this ? > How long piece of wire would you need ? > Screened cables (most of them) no problem ? > What would be the minimum distance between radiating > and pick-up > cable and would it be possible to use this with a > wall in between ? > > What would be needed as a "front end" before it goes > into a > (decoding)computer? > > Possibly data could be stored on a little > data-logging device instead > of feeding it directly to a PC ...such a logger > could be empty-ed > every once in a while (wireless,dial-up..etc) or > send all data live. > > > Tetrascanner > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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(inserting HTML-code where you should put plain text) As far as i know this can only be done by the moderators because they only have acess to those fields where you could do this. I just removed my previous last (unimportant)message on this group to see what happens...as expected i could remove it and now there is 1 number(10940)missing from the ordered row. (useless experiment..sorry) Tetrascanner 10946 From: Brian Varine Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 9:28am Subject: 0wn3d by an iPod For those wondering what other nefarious uses an iPod could be used for, I suggest attending CanSecWest, they are going to have a breifing on hacking with iPods and other Firewire utilities. Firewire/i.Link is well known as a way for connecting video devices or external hard-disks to computers. One little known fact is that the Firewire protocol also allows to read and write physical memory on connected machines without further software support. This can be leveraged to escalate privileges or to spy on connected machines. We will present some fun software using FireWire to do things to computers which shouldn't happen. 0wn3d by an iPod: http://www.cansecwest.com/speakers.html 10947 From: Tim Johnson Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 3:47pm Subject: Regarding the hoopla about the OSCOR Software Being a lowly Mac user, we don't have near the problems with crashing that PC users do.....but it happens occasionally. to reduce even further the possibility of it happening, I periodically run Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Utilities to De-fragment the disk. When I do have an incompatibility, I will run Conflict Catcher and determine which program is causing the problem. With all that said, and knowing Jeff Evert, I'd say that he is using a computer that is pretty much dedicated to running the OSCOR program and for handling his TSCM related activity, and nothing else. By keeping the unnecessary programs off his computer, her doesn't have the problems of conflicts between one program causing another to crash or hangup. What it boils down to is.....maybe it isn't just the OSCOR software's problem; As for the problems at the school, has that been verified by actually speaking with someone who attended the school and had it happen to them.....or is it a case of he said she said he said it happened. Try getting the after the sale service they provide from any other equipment sales organization. Never happen. But then again, they are interested in customer satisfaction, at least for this customer they have been. Regarding the software, I'll be able to speak from experience in a month or so as I'm scheduled for the basic REI class later on this month. While there, I'm going to have them install the program on my brand new Dell Laptop that will be dedicated to nothing but TSCM , OSCOR and a couple of other programs for operating and setting up TSCM related equipment and have them educate me on how to use it properly. Being somewhat limited in my knowledge of TSCM and computers, they may have to take an extra day or two to pound it into my head. And finally, shame on REI for releasing BETA programs in an effort to help people who have purchased their equipment and want to use it to it's maximum capabilities. You give some people something for free and they will complain about the time it takes to download it and set it up. (Do it right the first time and you won't have to do it again). Ooooops, one other "and finally" ..... wouldn't it be great if they wrote a program for Mac users. But then, they'd never know if it was working or not as they'd never hear from us again. Tim Johnson -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. Member INTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. 10948 From: joe joe Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 7:01pm Subject: Re: Regarding the hoopla about the OSCOR Software Tim i have heard of you and i do respect what you have to say but if you read my post carfully i said that a freind of mine was at the school a few weeks ago and he himself told me personally he doesn't think too much of the software because of the reasons stated( it crashed on their own pc not his laptop), also from what i understand the software is not free you pay for it when you upgrade to version 5.0, so yes they should be ashamed of giving a BETA version, as i have said before, and i have also posted that if Thomas says it is not true( that it crashed and had problems) he is calling one of the people that was in HIS company's class a liar, like i have posted numerous times my freind said all the products are great just the software that needs help --- Tim Johnson wrote: > > Being a lowly Mac user, we don't have near the > problems with crashing > that PC users do.....but it happens occasionally. to > reduce even > further the possibility of it happening, I > periodically run Norton > Disk Doctor and Norton Utilities to De-fragment the > disk. When I do > have an incompatibility, I will run Conflict Catcher > and determine > which program is causing the problem. > > With all that said, and knowing Jeff Evert, I'd say > that he is using > a computer that is pretty much dedicated to running > the OSCOR program > and for handling his TSCM related activity, and > nothing else. By > keeping the unnecessary programs off his computer, > her doesn't have > the problems of conflicts between one program > causing another to > crash or hangup. What it boils down to is.....maybe > it isn't just the > OSCOR software's problem; > > As for the problems at the school, has that been > verified by actually > speaking with someone who attended the school and > had it happen to > them.....or is it a case of he said she said he said > it happened. Try > getting the after the sale service they provide from > any other > equipment sales organization. Never happen. But then > again, they are > interested in customer satisfaction, at least for > this customer they > have been. > > Regarding the software, I'll be able to speak from > experience in a > month or so as I'm scheduled for the basic REI class > later on this > month. While there, I'm going to have them install > the program on my > brand new Dell Laptop that will be dedicated to > nothing but TSCM , > OSCOR and a couple of other programs for operating > and setting up > TSCM related equipment and have them educate me on > how to use it > properly. Being somewhat limited in my knowledge of > TSCM and > computers, they may have to take an extra day or two > to pound it into > my head. > > And finally, shame on REI for releasing BETA > programs in an effort to > help people who have purchased their equipment and > want to use it to > it's maximum capabilities. You give some people > something for free > and they will complain about the time it takes to > download it and set > it up. (Do it right the first time and you won't > have to do it again). > > Ooooops, one other "and finally" ..... wouldn't it > be great if they > wrote a program for Mac users. But then, they'd > never know if it was > working or not as they'd never hear from us again. > > > Tim Johnson > > > -- > > Tim Johnson > > Technical Security Consultants Inc. > PO Box 1295 > Carrollton, GA 30112 > 770-836-4898 > 770-712-2164 Cell > > What you say in private is your business. Keeping it > private is ours. > > Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security > Consultants Inc. > Member INTELNET > Espionage Research Institute > Association of Former Office of Special > Investigations > Special Agents-Technical Agent > http://www.dbugman.com > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the > addressee(s) only and may > contain privileged confidential, or proprietary > information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. 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All kinds of things the iPod can be used for when folks start talking about them. Anyone else have any good ideas. tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10950 From: Tim Johnson Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 8:11pm Subject: Re: Regarding the hoopla about the OSCOR Software I didn't have you post in front of me. i had deleted it and was responding from memory....something that gets evasive when you become a senior citizen. I was only trying to come up with some reasons why the program might have crashed. I'm sure that if there are serious problems, the Beta system would not have been released. As for the REI computer crashing, was it all of them, or just one. A computer person will probably explain it much better than i can, but each computer operates slightly differently than it's brethren. Heck, I can't even get it to work on my computer at all, but that's because I'm trying to run it with Virtual PC. I still think that I will eventually get to operate on my Macintosh, but i want to be sure I understand how it works first. I could already be using it, but then, I'd probably have to unlearn some nasty procedures. Seldom can you get something to work properly by using just the manual provided. As for paying, I believe it is available on the REI web site as a free download. i may be wrong, and if so, someone please correct me. I downloaded it shortly after I received my brand new Dell PC Laptop a week or two ago. But, like I said, that may not be the entire program. At any rate, I'll find out at the end of the month. And, rest assured that if I have any problems with the program crashing, etc., once I have been educated top it's use, I'll most definitely pass the word on. Heck, If i DON"T have any problems, I'll let you folks know. In the meantime, give the folks at REI feedback so they know what problems you are experiencing. It's good for the liver to vent here, but if you don't explain in detail to the engineers and technicians what problems you are experiencing, they aren't going to get fixed. As an example, I was having a problem with my OSCOR not saving data when I set it on AUTO. I'd have to unseat the program chip, reseat it and restart to get it to work. I let them know and I received new chips for both my OSCOR's about two days later. Apparently, there was a problem with the one chip. I saved it and am going to give it to them to run some tests on when I go up. Was it their fault it didn't work? YES. But was it intentional. NO. That particular chip decided to be a renegade. All the rest apparently worked exactly as they were programmed to do. Maybe the same thing happened to the computer? Maybe? As for the rest of your post, you should use some care in your choice of words. I doubt seriously that Tom actually called anyone a liar. I think that passion has clouded judgement and possibly caused different interpretations of statements. If, in fact, there was a failure, Tom may not be fully aware of the circumstances. If your friend who had a problem had contacted Tom, I think the results would have been different. BTW, if your friend is having problems with the software, he can operate the equipment without it until the problems have been fixed. It would be interesting to have input from other users of the OSCOR and the associated software to find out how many are experiencing problems and how many are satisfied with the Beta product. Tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. Member INTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. 10951 From: joe joe Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 11:52pm Subject: Re: Regarding the hoopla about the OSCOR Software my freind won't come here and post about anything, he is not into that but he has left REI with many comments when he was there, THOMAS knows there are problems, so maybe he should just stop making excuses since he knew there were problems and just fix them, oh and by the way my buddy told me that a it wasn't an isolated case with his pc problem either --- Tim Johnson wrote: > > I didn't have you post in front of me. i had deleted > it and was > responding from memory....something that gets > evasive when you become > a senior citizen. I was only trying to come up with > some reasons why > the program might have crashed. I'm sure that if > there are serious > problems, the Beta system would not have been > released. As for the > REI computer crashing, was it all of them, or just > one. A computer > person will probably explain it much better than i > can, but each > computer operates slightly differently than it's > brethren. > > Heck, I can't even get it to work on my computer at > all, but that's > because I'm trying to run it with Virtual PC. > I still think > that I will eventually get to operate on my > Macintosh, but i want to > be sure I understand how it works first. I could > already be using it, > but then, I'd probably have to unlearn some nasty > procedures. Seldom > can you get something to work properly by using just > the manual > provided. > > As for paying, I believe it is available on the REI > web site as a > free download. i may be wrong, and if so, someone > please correct me. > I downloaded it shortly after I received my brand > new Dell PC Laptop > a week or two ago. But, like I said, that may not be > the entire > program. At any rate, I'll find out at the end of > the month. > > And, rest assured that if I have any problems with > the program > crashing, etc., once I have been educated top it's > use, I'll most > definitely pass the word on. Heck, If i DON"T have > any problems, I'll > let you folks know. > > In the meantime, give the folks at REI feedback so > they know what > problems you are experiencing. It's good for the > liver to vent here, > but if you don't explain in detail to the engineers > and technicians > what problems you are experiencing, they aren't > going to get fixed. > > As an example, I was having a problem with my OSCOR > not saving data > when I set it on AUTO. I'd have to unseat the > program chip, reseat it > and restart to get it to work. I let them know and I > received new > chips for both my OSCOR's about two days later. > Apparently, there was > a problem with the one chip. I saved it and am going > to give it to > them to run some tests on when I go up. Was it their > fault it didn't > work? YES. But was it intentional. NO. That > particular chip decided > to be a renegade. All the rest apparently worked > exactly as they were > programmed to do. Maybe the same thing happened to > the computer? > Maybe? > > As for the rest of your post, you should use some > care in your choice > of words. I doubt seriously that Tom actually called > anyone a liar. I > think that passion has clouded judgement and > possibly caused > different interpretations of statements. If, in > fact, there was a > failure, Tom may not be fully aware of the > circumstances. If your > friend who had a problem had contacted Tom, I think > the results would > have been different. > > BTW, if your friend is having problems with the > software, he can > operate the equipment without it until the problems > have been fixed. > It would be interesting to have input from other > users of the OSCOR > and the associated software to find out how many are > experiencing > problems and how many are satisfied with the Beta > product. > > Tim > -- > > Tim Johnson > > Technical Security Consultants Inc. > PO Box 1295 > Carrollton, GA 30112 > 770-836-4898 > 770-712-2164 Cell > > What you say in private is your business. Keeping it > private is ours. > > Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security > Consultants Inc. > Member INTELNET > Espionage Research Institute > Association of Former Office of Special > Investigations > Special Agents-Technical Agent > http://www.dbugman.com > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the > addressee(s) only and may > contain privileged confidential, or proprietary > information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. If you have > received this message > in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, > then delete the > e-mail and destroy any printed copy. > > Neither this information block, the typed name of > the sender, or > anything else in this message is intended to > constitute an electronic > signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic > Transactions Act or > the Electronic Signatures in Global and National > Commerce Act > (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary > is included in > this message. > > > > >