From: James M. Atkinson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 3:10pm Subject: TRADEMARKS OF A FOOL http://www.liberty.edu/Media/1214/Trademarks%20of%20a%20Fool.doc TRADEMARKS OF A FOOL The Book of Proverbs deals with many different topics that relate to every day life. It is clear from the very beginning that Solomon wants his son to be a wise son. In sharp contrast, he does not want his son to be a fool. A fool may be some who is intellectually bright, but when it comes to spiritual things they are very dull. When the word "fool" is used in Proverbs it usually means one that is empty headed, void of understanding, thick-headed and obstinate. The fool does not have a head problem as much as he has a heart problem. To help his son understand the ways of a fool, Solomon will throughout the book of Proverbs share insights about the life and the actions of a fool. Let's notice first how a fool lives. These are "10 TRADEMARKS of FOOL" 1. The fool rejects to the point of resisting instructions. Pr. 1:7 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction" Prov. 18:2 says, "A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart." This rejection or attitude toward instruction is displayed toward the parents of a fool. Prov. 15:5 - "A fool despises his father's instructions." A child that is hardheaded has started down the path to being a fool. Furthermore this attitude of rejecting instruction is displayed when someone tries to correct the fool. Prov. 23:9 says, "Do not speak in the hearing of a fool. For he will despise the wisdom of your words." 2. The fool believes he is always right. Fools are very prideful. Prov. 12:15 says, "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he who heeds counsel is wise." Fools are know -it - alls. You can't teach them a thing, much less try to tell them anything. They reject the counsel of others in favor of their own counsel. The fool needs to take notice of the advice given in Prov. 28:25 - 26. "He who is of a proud heart stirs up strife. But he who trusts in the Lord will be prospered. He who trusts in his own heart is a fool. But whoever walks wisely will be delivered." 3. Fools are rebellious and they rejoice in and about sins. Prov. 10:23 reveals that a fool loves to practice sin. "To do evil is like a sport to a fool. But a man of understanding has wisdom." Prov. 15:14 tells us that the fool feeds on foolishness. And they not only rejoice in sin, they mock at the guilt from sin. Prov. 14:9 says, "Fools mock at sin (guilt). Fools believe so strongly in practicing evil that Solomon tells us in Prov. 13:19, "it is an abomination to fools to depart from sin." They are good at saying evil is good and good is evil. Sin is just one big joke to the fool. 4. Fools are quick to run their mouth. Prov. 14:3 says, "In the mouth of a fool is a rod of pride, but the lips of the wise will preserve them." A fool is so conceited that he cannot hold his tongue. He is not only a know-it-all, he is a tell-it-all. To his own shame he will be quick to answer even before he hears the whole situation. See Prov. 18:13. Prov. 15:2 "The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, but the mouth of fools pour forth foolishness." Twice in chapter 10 Solomon let's the fool know that his excessive talking is going to cause him to fall. Prov. 10:8,10 says, a prating, (talkative) fool will fall (or brought down to ruin) When it comes to controlling their tongue, the fool should pay close attention to Prov. 17:28 which says, "Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace. When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." And all of us should take heed to Prov. 10:19 which says, "In the multitude of words sin is not lacking." 5. A fool is NOT someone to be trusted with responsibilities as they are very unreliable. Prov. 26:6 says, "He who sends a message by the hand of a fool cuts off his own feet and drinks violence." Prov. 26:8 says, "Like one who binds a stone in a sling is one who give honor to a fool." 6. A fool has a hard time controlling their rage. He is hot-tempered. Prov. 12:16 says, "A fool's wrath is known at once, but a prudent man covers his shame." Prov. 14:16-17a says, "A wise man fears and departs from evil. But a fool rages and is self-confident. A quick-tempered man acts foolishly. Prov. 14:29 says, "He who is slow to wrath has great understanding. But he who is impulsive exalts folly." Prov. 29:11 says, "A fool vents his feelings, but a wise man holds them back." You are going to know what is on a fool's mind, whether you want to or not. He will give you a piece of his mind even when he does not have any to spare. Has your temper every gotten you in trouble? 7. Fools resist correction. And like the scoffer, may retaliate with hatred toward you. Prov. 17:10 says, "Rebuke is more effective for a wise man than an hundred blows on a fool." Prov. 27:22 says, "Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle you will not remove his folly from him." Because fools are so set in their ways, discipline that usually would change a person's behavior has very little effect on the fool. Prov. 9:7-9 says, "He who corrects a scoffer gets shame for himself. Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you; Rebuke a wise person and he will love you. Give instructions to a wise person and he will be still wiser. Teach a just man and he will increase in learning." You can tell a lot about your character by the way you respond to a rebuke or correction. 8. A fool will repeat his mistakes and return to his sins. Prov. 26:11 says, "As a dog returns to his own vomit, so a fool repeats his folly." The fool so despises instruction and is so stubborn that he fails to learn from his own mistakes. He returns and does the same thing over and over, getting the same results. 9. Fools are reckless with riches and possessions. Prov. 21:20 says, " In the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil, but a foolish man devours all that he has. (NIV) Prov. 14:24 tells us, "The crown of the wise is their riches, but the foolishness of fools is (yields) folly." No wonder Prov. 19:10 says, "luxury is not fitting for a fool." 10. A fool's folly ruins his life. Prov. 19:3 says, "A man's own folly ruins his life, yet his heart rages against the Lord." (NIV) And not only does he ruin his own life, he ruins his parents life. Prov. 19:13 says, "A foolish son is the ruin of his father." Prov. 17:21 says, "He that has a scoffer for a son does so to his own sorrow, and the father of a fool has no joy." It does not get better it gets worse: Prov. 10:21 "The lips of the righteous feed many, but fool's die for lack of wisdom." Prov. 3:35 tells us that "the wise shall inherit glory, but shame shall be the legacy of fools." Prov. 11:29 says, "He who troubles his own house will inherit the wind. And the fool will be the servant to the wise of heart." Prov. 16:22 (NIV) teaches us that "Understanding is a fountain of life to those who have it, but folly brings punishment to fools." Prov. 19:29 (KJV) "Judgments are prepared for scorners and stripes for the back of fools." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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Atkinson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 3:47pm Subject: Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager Tim, The image resolution of the IRISYS systems is fine for figuring out which bus bar of a circuit break is overheating, or what part of a motor is overheating, but it lacks the sensitivity for TSCM work, and the resolution is so low that your going to end up spending hours chasing ghost readings, but even more dangerously such a system will create a certain level of blindness where you will not be able to find the slight anomalies you are looking for. An inexpensive hand-held infrared digital thermometer used at point-blank range will do just a good a job, but without the fancy color display. The bolometer of any thermal camera or imaging system is where all the money goes to in a thermal system with a typical "cheap" having a matrix that is 320*240, with a quarter degree resolution. An "expensive" imaging system can have a bolometer that is 640*480, and have a resolution of better than a tenth of a degree. A "premium" or high performance system bolometer can be 800*600, or even better but you have to watch out for units that interlace a 320*240 matrix to fake a higher resolution. A cheap, throw away $5 flashlight will find more bugs than a $5000 thermal imaging system. Thermal systems are expensive, and are very finicky little instruments that can really cause some headaches. -jma At 09:13 AM 2/7/2005, Tim Johnson wrote: >Some of you may have heard of the Thermal Imager developed and sold >by IRISYS (see http://www.irisys.co.uk/ for more information). I saw >one demonstrated at a recent TSCM professional conference and it >looked like a very inexpensive alternative to the $25,000.00 units >(They are being sold on e-bay for around $2,000.00 by a >representative here in the U.S). > >Before rushing out to buy one you should be aware that it is only >supported by the older laptops with the serial interface. Many, if >not most, of the newer laptops are not equipped with serial interface >capabilities and it doesn't seem to work with the PCMCIA cards. If >you are interested in this capability you can use a handheld "Palm >Pilot" type display unit. > >I have been in contact with the dealer in the States and he contacted >the company in the UK and the response was: > > >I would not count on this capability any time soon. > >Best regards > > >I'll keep trying and see if i can get my Palm Pilot i705 to recognize >it.....no luck so far, but it might be because I'm trying to install >it like I would software on a Mac. > >Mostly, I wanted to give you a heads up in the event you are looking at it. > >tim >-- > >Tim Johnson > >Technical Security Consultants Inc. >PO Box 1295 >Carrollton, GA 30112 >770-836-4898 >770-712-2164 Cell > >What you say in private is your business. 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Tim Johnson -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10985 From: Tim Johnson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 4:21pm Subject: Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager Thanks for the info. I bought it just to play around with and to see what its capabilities are. It was interesting to see someone place their palm on a table for 2 seconds and to then have the image displayed (we didn't try for time, just for the image, so I have no idea how long it would have been visible. Once (IF) I get it to interface with the Dell PC (without a serial port) I'll do some testing and let the folks on TSCM-L know what the results are. Tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10986 From: Tim Johnson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 4:25pm Subject: Another question on Thermal Imagers I received the following from a member of my private e-mail list and was wondering if any of you have any info you would like to share. tim I'd be interested to know if anyone on your list has tried the MX-1 mini thermal imager. It sells new for about $7,000 and a couple models have sold on Ebay for about $5,000. It appears to be very small, moderately ruggedized (sold to the military), and best of all runs for 7 hours on 2 lithium AA's. What I'd like to know though is how good is the picture? Is it sufficient for TSCM work and able to focus in close range or is it only satisfactory for surveillance and outdoor applications? For those that aren't familiar with this model, here's a link: http://www.nvec-night-vision.com/products/pdf/mx1.pdf -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10987 From: Rob Muessel Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 4:31pm Subject: RE: Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager If you want to try to detect chip cameras, it might work, but the resolution is so poor that you may not discern the camera from the background if it is placed close to another warm object. Personaly, I'd save my money. I can't see investing in equipment that only does a part of the job and may really give you a false sense of security. Strikes me as a waste. Used Raytheon PalmIR units come on the market once in a while. They should be priced in the US$6-8000 range and will out perform these low-res units by an exponential factor. -- -- Rob Muessel, Director email: rmuessel@t... TSCM Technical Services Phone: 203-354-9040 11 Bayberry Lane Fax: 203-354-9041 Norwalk, CT 06851 www.tscmtech.com USA -----Original Message----- From: contranl [mailto:contranl@y...] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:48 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager . Rob/Tim...just to be shure...you are saying that the Irisys units are not usable in TSCM. (since the price is right i like to know for shure) Lets for example look at the possibility to detect cameras, the idea is to see the temperature-difference between the camera-housing) or lens-opening and the surrounding surface/objects. When i understand it well this one will do that if there is a temperature-difference of at least 0.5 degrees (Celcius) (not shure if that is the between sensor-pixels) Since this unit does not have a lot of pixels,both in the sensor and display,it probably does not give you enough resolution for detecting cameras at big distances, for example when you would stand in the middle of a large room and scan the walls and ceilings. What if you get a little closer (for example 3 meters or less ) that would give you a little more work...still not usable ? lets say an average spy-camera housing would be 3 x 3 cm's, a standard lens opening 7 mm's,and a pinhole lens opening 2 mm's, As i understand a pinhole camera hidden in a plastic clock and looking trough a 2 mm hole ,would give a bigger "warmer" area then just the 2 mm hole.it would also warm up the surrounding area. Question 1) How close would you have to be to see them with this low-cost Irisys unit ? Question 2) Some time ago we discussed some units here that were based on optical reflection. (using a laserbeam-reflection to detect optical lenses) Seems to me that this low-cost IR-device is a better choice (for this kind of money) ? For your reference have a look at: http://www.spybusters.com/Infrared.html As you can see the IR-spots visible are not that small and i am not convinced that they would not show up on a Irisys Ok...a more expensive unit would be nice but not neccessary ? Thanks. Tetrascanner http://www.tetrascanner.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsm-scanner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/traffic-cams ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" VAH! DENUONE LATINE LOQUEBAR? ME INEPTUM. INTERDUM MODO ELABITUR. =================================================== TSKS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10988 From: joe joe Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 4:34pm Subject: Re: Another question on Thermal Imagers always look for thermal resolution 0.1 degrees celsius or better at 30 degrees celsius object tempurature on the specs of a camera and then you could have something useful for tscm --- Tim Johnson wrote: > I received the following from a member of my private > e-mail list and > was wondering if any of you have any info you would > like to share. > > tim > > > > I'd be interested to know if anyone on your list > has tried the MX-1 > mini thermal imager. It sells new for about $7,000 > and a couple > models have sold on Ebay for about $5,000. It > appears to be very > small, moderately ruggedized (sold to the military), > and best of all > runs for 7 hours on 2 lithium AA's. What I'd like to > know though is > how good is the picture? Is it sufficient for TSCM > work and able to > focus in close range or is it only satisfactory for > surveillance and > outdoor applications? > > For those that aren't familiar with this model, > here's a link: > > http://www.nvec-night-vision.com/products/pdf/mx1.pdf > -- > > Tim Johnson > > Technical Security Consultants Inc. > PO Box 1295 > Carrollton, GA 30112 > 770-836-4898 > 770-712-2164 Cell > > What you say in private is your business. Keeping it > private is ours. > > Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security > Consultants Inc. > MemberINTELNET > Espionage Research Institute > Association of Former Office of Special > Investigations > Special Agents-Technical Agent > http://www.dbugman.com > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the > addressee(s) only and may > contain privileged confidential, or proprietary > information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 10989 From: joe joe Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 4:36pm Subject: RE: Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager yes and the flir 470 is good also --- Rob Muessel wrote: > If you want to try to detect chip cameras, it might > work, but the resolution > is so poor that you may not discern the camera from > the background if it is > placed close to another warm object. > > Personaly, I'd save my money. I can't see investing > in equipment that only > does a part of the job and may really give you a > false sense of security. > Strikes me as a waste. Used Raytheon PalmIR units > come on the market once > in a while. They should be priced in the US$6-8000 > range and will out > perform these low-res units by an exponential > factor. > > -- -- > Rob Muessel, Director email: > rmuessel@t... > TSCM Technical Services Phone: 203-354-9040 > 11 Bayberry Lane Fax: 203-354-9041 > Norwalk, CT 06851 www.tscmtech.com > USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: contranl [mailto:contranl@y...] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:48 AM > To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager > > > > . > > Rob/Tim...just to be shure...you are saying that > the Irisys units > are not usable in TSCM. > (since the price is right i like to know for > shure) > > Lets for example look at the possibility to detect > cameras, > the idea is to see the temperature-difference > between the > camera-housing) or lens-opening and the > surrounding surface/objects. > When i understand it well this one will do that if > there is a > temperature-difference of at least 0.5 degrees > (Celcius) > (not shure if that is the between sensor-pixels) > > Since this unit does not have a lot of pixels,both > in the sensor and > display,it probably does not give you enough > resolution for detecting > cameras at big distances, for example when you > would stand in the > middle of a large room and scan the walls and > ceilings. > > What if you get a little closer (for example 3 > meters or less ) > that would give you a little more work...still not > usable ? lets say > an average spy-camera housing would be 3 x 3 cm's, > a standard lens opening 7 mm's,and a pinhole lens > opening 2 mm's, > > As i understand a pinhole camera hidden in a > plastic clock and > looking trough a 2 mm hole ,would give a bigger > "warmer" area then > just the 2 mm hole.it would also warm up the > surrounding area. > > > Question 1) > > How close would you have to be to see them with > this low-cost > Irisys unit ? > > > Question 2) > > Some time ago we discussed some units here that > were based on > optical reflection. > (using a laserbeam-reflection to detect optical > lenses) > Seems to me that this low-cost IR-device is a > better choice (for > this kind of money) ? > > > For your reference have a look at: > > http://www.spybusters.com/Infrared.html > > As you can see the IR-spots visible are not that > small and > i am not convinced that they would not show up on > a Irisys > Ok...a more expensive unit would be nice but not > neccessary ? > > > > Thanks. > > Tetrascanner > > http://www.tetrascanner.com > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsm-scanner > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/traffic-cams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is > strength" > > VAH! DENUONE LATINE LOQUEBAR? > ME INEPTUM. INTERDUM MODO ELABITUR. > > =================================================== > TSKS > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 10990 From: Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 11:53am Subject: Re: TRADEMARKS OF A FOOL Dropping the reference to Proverbs, There is some very good stuff there, especially considering the postings over the last several months. I've read some very foolish stuff. These are "10 TRADEMARKS of FOOL" 1. The fool rejects to the point of resisting instructions. 2. The fool believes he is always right. Fools are very prideful. 3. Fools are rebellious and they rejoice in and about sins. 4. Fools are quick to run their mouth. 5. A fool is NOT someone to be trusted with responsibilities as they are very unreliable. 6. A fool has a hard time controlling their rage. He is hot-tempered. 7. Fools resist correction. And like the scoffer, may retaliate with hatred toward you. 8. A fool will repeat his mistakes and return to his sins. 9. Fools are reckless with riches and possessions. 10. A fool's folly ruins his life. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10991 From: Tim Johnson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 4:42pm Subject: Re: Another question on Thermal Imagers Sorry, Joe Joe. You didn't address the question. He was asking about a specific piece of equipment and if anyone had any personal knowledge of it. tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10992 From: Guy Urbina Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 4:21pm Subject: Re: TRADEMARKS OF A FOOL James, I for one enjoyed the article and found it enlightening and full of common sense. It has applications for the people I work with and for people on this list. \R -Guy ____________________________________________________________ Guy Urbina Defense Sciences Engineering Division Electronics Engineering Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory 7000 East Avenue, Mail Stop L-369 Livermore, CA 94551 USA Voice - (925) 422-6460 Fax - (925) 422-2118 email - urbina1@l... _____________________________________________________________ At 05:12 PM 2/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: >James, > >It's your group and you can post whatever you want, but why not start >another Yahoo group for the religious articles. This wasn't the forum >for it. > >Tim Johnson >Born a Baptist, raised a Protestant, married to a Catholic and my >religious beliefs are my own ands personal. I would hope that you >would keep your beliefs to yourself. > >Hopefully, I won't get bounced for my comment and view. > >Tim Johnson >-- 10993 From: wiseguypi Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 4:37pm Subject: 2005 Cybercrime Summit Slightly off topic, but the Atlanta Chapter of the HTCIA is again hosting the 2005 Southeast Cybercrime Summit in metro Atlanta. www.atlccs.com. The Summit is a 4 day conference covering computer security, and other computer forensic related issues. Over 70 speakers are presenting this year. It would be a challenge to find this many topics covered in one conference, and impossible to find it open to everyone for such a low price. Price is $249.00 for the 4 days. Hope to see some of you there. Steven Wisenburg 10994 From: Thomas Jones Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 5:26pm Subject: OSCOR comments from REI I try hard to honor the intent of this list and not use it as a marketing forum, but in monitoring the list, there were some comments from "tensor66B" about the OSCOR that I felt need to be clarified. 1. Our selling policy on the OSCOR has changed. For many years, the OPC software was an option that had to be purchased separately. However, in our new 5.0 version, the OSCOR hardware was upgraded for faster sweep times (to help address burst transmitters), the price was increased on the OSCOR, and the OPC software is now free. All of the password protection and licensing has removed from the OPC 5.0 software. But, it can only be used with OSCOR hardware that is upgraded to 5.0 level. 2. Please understand that our trace analysis methodology is a different approach than relying on expensive Time Domain analysis. OSCOR CAN capture evidence of burst transmissions for a very wide range of burst characteristics. It cannot demodulate, decode, or decrypt the burst information (even very expensive systems will have difficulty with this), and it is certainly not expected to capture every transmission event. It is not the intent to capture every event but to capture enough to use trace analysis to simply display the evidence that the event occurred and identify the frequency of transmission. One device that we have tested extensively has burst times between 30msec and 231msec. Using trace analysis, it takes about 30 minutes for good reliability to find this device while sweeping from 500KHz to 21GHz. Also, we use High-End Signal Generators to simulate other user defined burst characteristics so that it is easy to learn the capabilities and limitations of the OSCOR system. If you would like to learn more about how the OSCOR can do this, please attend our training courses or simply arrange a time for a visit. I would personally be happy to explain and demonstrate burst detection. It does work, and it does not even require the FREE OPC software to do this. 3. On the video demodulation, you are simply miss-informed. The maximum audio bandwidth is 250KHz, but the VIDEO bandwidth for demodulation is 6MHz. It is misleading to some people because the user selectable bandwidths for audio do not include the video bandwidth. The video bandwidth is automatically used when video demodulation is turned on. There has been a lot of assumption and misunderstanding about our products on this list. If you have questions, I hope that you will contact us directly for clarification. I cannot promise that I will personally address everyone, but we will work hard to ensure that you understand the products. If you would like subscribe to our newsletter in which some of the above issues have previously been discussed and published, please contact REI at "newsletter@r...". 10995 From: joe joe Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 6:16pm Subject: Re: Another question on Thermal Imagers yes i did maybe you should reread what i wrote..i said check the specs and i gave which specs are good for tscm work..on that particular thermal, if you do check the specs i beleive you could know if its good or not --- Tim Johnson wrote: > Sorry, Joe Joe. You didn't address the question. > > He was asking about a specific piece of equipment > and if anyone had > any personal knowledge of it. > > tim > -- > > Tim Johnson > > Technical Security Consultants Inc. > PO Box 1295 > Carrollton, GA 30112 > 770-836-4898 > 770-712-2164 Cell > > What you say in private is your business. Keeping it > private is ours. > > Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security > Consultants Inc. > MemberINTELNET > Espionage Research Institute > Association of Former Office of Special > Investigations > Special Agents-Technical Agent > http://www.dbugman.com > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the > addressee(s) only and may > contain privileged confidential, or proprietary > information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. 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The Nightshot series of camcorders can be modified to force the unit into full time IR mode, and with removal of the hot filter that is in front of the CCD element you can have a fairly decent performance thermal or at least near thermal imaging system. It may not be a quarter of a degree of resolution, but it does provide something usable. Yes, it is primary designed to be an infrared camera, but the hot filter is actually a thermal low pass filter that when removed can be used for a wicked cheap thermal camera as you get to open up the CCD element to higher frequency light. You can also enhance the effect by illuminating the area that you are inspecting with a I/R spotlight with a 900 nm high pass filter. A small board camera hidden in a ceiling tile, or a pinhole microphone concealed in a wall will be quite obvious with this kind of system, and the results will be in a monochrome and not fancy color, but on the plus side you can put together a system for less than a few hundred bucks. Also, when using a thermal camera use a ***BIG*** display and not the cheesy little 2 or 3 inch micro-monitors they typically include. Set up something that is at least a 10 inch display or larger and don't be bashful about using a 15-17 inch LCD panel or video projector. You can even run the monitor in black-and-white mode and add in a small video amplifier to tweak up the contrast so that you can better see the slight anomalies. Don't expect to use a thermal system from more than 6-8 feet away from the thing that you are inspecting, and try to be within four feet or less. You will find it easier to find nasty goodies if you can rapidly drop the room temperature while you keep the wall or ceiling you are inspecting warmer. The ideal thermal system to use is one that is used to observe biological functions and not one used for mechanical systems and those used by electricians to examine transformers, motors, and breaker panels. Our primary interest is typically between 60 or 70 and 90 or 110 degree's F, and we typically would like to be able to detect a difference of a tenth of a degree or better. We want a system that can see the heat difference caused by a breath being exhaled, and then watch the eddies and currents are the heat curls though the air. The industrial units are fine if you are looking for a bug hidden in a molten pool of steel at the bottom of a blast furnace, or if you are trying to measure a the heat produced by a light bulb. -jma At 05:21 PM 2/7/2005, Tim Johnson wrote: >Thanks for the info. > >I bought it just to play around with and to see what its capabilities >are. It was interesting to see someone place their palm on a table >for 2 seconds and to then have the image displayed (we didn't try for >time, just for the image, so I have no idea how long it would have >been visible. > >Once (IF) I get it to interface with the Dell PC (without a serial >port) I'll do some testing and let the folks on TSCM-L know what the >results are. > >Tim >-- > >Tim Johnson > >Technical Security Consultants Inc. >PO Box 1295 >Carrollton, GA 30112 >770-836-4898 >770-712-2164 Cell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10997 From: joe joe Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 6:48pm Subject: Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager hello james this was your quote," Our primary interest is typically between 60 or 70 and 90 or 110 degree's F, and we typically would like to be able to detect a difference of a tenth of a degree or better."..hmmmm sounds exactly like what i said huh?...you like to steal ideas from me,lol just kidding --- "James M. Atkinson" wrote: > Tim, > > You might also want to pickup a Sony Nightshot/0 lux > camcorder. > > No, really... I am serious. > > The Nightshot series of camcorders can be modified > to force the unit into > full time IR mode, and with removal of the hot > filter that is in front of > the CCD element you can have a fairly decent > performance thermal or at > least near thermal imaging system. It may not be a > quarter of a degree of > resolution, but it does provide something usable. > > Yes, it is primary designed to be an infrared > camera, but the hot filter is > actually a thermal low pass filter that when removed > can be used for a > wicked cheap thermal camera as you get to open up > the CCD element to higher > frequency light. You can also enhance the effect by > illuminating the area > that you are inspecting with a I/R spotlight with a > 900 nm high pass > filter. A small board camera hidden in a ceiling > tile, or a pinhole > microphone concealed in a wall will be quite obvious > with this kind of > system, and the results will be in a monochrome and > not fancy color, but on > the plus side you can put together a system for less > than a few hundred bucks. > > Also, when using a thermal camera use a ***BIG*** > display and not the > cheesy little 2 or 3 inch micro-monitors they > typically include. Set up > something that is at least a 10 inch display or > larger and don't be bashful > about using a 15-17 inch LCD panel or video > projector. You can even run the > monitor in black-and-white mode and add in a small > video amplifier to tweak > up the contrast so that you can better see the > slight anomalies. > > Don't expect to use a thermal system from more than > 6-8 feet away from the > thing that you are inspecting, and try to be within > four feet or less. You > will find it easier to find nasty goodies if you can > rapidly drop the room > temperature while you keep the wall or ceiling you > are inspecting warmer. > > The ideal thermal system to use is one that is used > to observe biological > functions and not one used for mechanical systems > and those used by > electricians to examine transformers, motors, and > breaker panels. Our > primary interest is typically between 60 or 70 and > 90 or 110 degree's F, > and we typically would like to be able to detect a > difference of a tenth of > a degree or better. We want a system that can see > the heat difference > caused by a breath being exhaled, and then watch the > eddies and currents > are the heat curls though the air. > > The industrial units are fine if you are looking for > a bug hidden in a > molten pool of steel at the bottom of a blast > furnace, or if you are trying > to measure a the heat produced by a light bulb. > > -jma > > > > > > At 05:21 PM 2/7/2005, Tim Johnson wrote: > > >Thanks for the info. > > > >I bought it just to play around with and to see > what its capabilities > >are. It was interesting to see someone place their > palm on a table > >for 2 seconds and to then have the image displayed > (we didn't try for > >time, just for the image, so I have no idea how > long it would have > >been visible. > > > >Once (IF) I get it to interface with the Dell PC > (without a serial > >port) I'll do some testing and let the folks on > TSCM-L know what the > >results are. > > > >Tim > >-- > > > >Tim Johnson > > > >Technical Security Consultants Inc. > >PO Box 1295 > >Carrollton, GA 30112 > >770-836-4898 > >770-712-2164 Cell > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and > Real Wiretappers. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > James M. Atkinson > Phone: (978) 546-3803 > Granite Island Group Fax: > (978) 546-9467 > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 > Web: http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: > mailto:jmatk@t... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent > Bug Sweeps, and > Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory > Grade Test Equipment. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 10998 From: Tim Johnson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 7:03pm Subject: Re: Another question on Thermal Imagers Joe Joe, He asked three specific questions. 1. Do you have personal knowledge of the equipment? 2. How good is the picture? 3. Is it sufficient for TSCM work and able to focus in close range or is it only satisfactory for surveillance and outdoor applications? If I was familiar with that Imager, I would have answered the questions he posed. At any rate, i passed on your comment for him to look at. tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10999 From: Michael Dever Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 7:07pm Subject: SONY 0LUX CAMCORDER Jim, You mentioned in your last post: "The Nightshot series of camcorders can be modified to force the unit into full time IR mode, and with removal of the hot filter that is in front of the CCD element you can have a fairly decent performance thermal or at least near thermal imaging system..." I am aware of how to remove an IR filter but are the other modifications you speak of electronic? If so are they published anywhere or is the information proprietary? Regards Mike Michael J. Dever CPP Dever Clark & Associates GPO Box 1163 Canberra ACT 2601 Australia Voice: +612 6254 5337 Email: dca@b... ************************************************************************ ***** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 11000 From: Tim Johnson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 7:36pm Subject: Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager Thanks again for the input. That is the reason I'm trying to get the Dell PC Laptop to work with it; it has the 15 inch display. I think I have a USB to Serial Connector and will try again this weekend when the computer geek comes home. I have a Palm Pilot I could use, but am intimately familiar with the lack of resolution with a small display. tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 11001 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 7:34pm Subject: Re: TRADEMARKS OF A FOOL Tim, I appreciate your thoughts on the subject matter, and you do not ever have to worry about getting bounced off the list expressing your view or for adding a comment to a subject matter. My posting from Proverbs was more of philosophical nature and a bit of wisdom as opposed to a discussion on the finer point of transubstantiation as opposed to consubstantiation or an analysis on the number of angel that can dance on the head of a pin. So as not to offend were are a few more pearls of wisdom from a variety of other sources: ------------------------------------------------ George Washington Quotes "Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire: a dangerous servant and a terrible master". "A free people ought...to be armed..." "Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue? " "There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness." "Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth." "The aggregate happiness of the society, which is best promoted by the practice of a virtuous policy, is, or ought to be, the end of all government . . . ." "Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppressive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people." "Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them." "A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference -- they deserve a place of honor with all that is good." "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence -- it is force!" "It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government." "It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe without the agency of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to govern the universe without the aid of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to reason without arriving at a Supreme Being. Religion is as necessary to reason as reason is to religion. The one cannot exist without the other. A reasoning being would lose his reason in attempting to account for the great phenomena of nature, had he not a Supreme Being to refer to; and will has it been said, that if there had been no God, mankind would have been obliged to imagine one." "I never mean, unless some particular circumstances should compel it, to possess another slave by purchase, it being among my first wishes to see some plan adopted, by which slavery in this country may be abolished by law." "No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency." "Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who have the habit of making excuses." Albert Einstein Quotes "The important thing is to not stop questioning. " "Imagination is more important than knowledge. " "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" "It is enough for me to contemplate the mystery of conscious life, perpetuating itself through all eternity; to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the Universe; and to try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in nature." "Only a life lived for others is worth living." "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." "Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing. " "If A equals success, then the formula is: A = X+Y+Z. X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut." "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." "I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." "God does not play dice with the universe." "Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them." "Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts." "Peace cannot be achieved through violence, it can only be attained through understanding." "When the solution is simple, God is answering." "Where the world ceases to be the scene of our personal hopes and wishes, where we face it as free beings admiring, asking and observing, there we enter the realm of Art and Science" "Watch the stars, and from them learn. "Gravitation can not be held responsible for people falling in love" "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity." Ben Franklin Quotes "If you'd know the power of money, go and borrow some." "To be intimate with a foolish friend is like going to bed to a razor." "No nation was ever ruined by trade." "Drive thy Business, or it will drive thee." "In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes." "He that falls in love with himself will have no rivals." "Let thy discontent be they secrets; if the world know them 't will despise thee and increase them." "There is no little enemy." "Setting too good an example is a kind of slander seldom forgiven." "Experience keeps a dear school, yet fools will learn in no other." "Avarice and happiness never saw each other, how then should they become acquainted." "Human felicity is produced not so much by great pieces of good fortune that seldom happen, as by little advantages that occur every day." "Where there is Marriage without Love, there will be Love without Marriage." "Write with the learned, pronounce with the vulgar." "Laws too gentle are seldom obeyed; too severe, seldom executed." "God heals, and the doctors take the fee." "A penny saved, is a penny earned." "Necessity never made a good bargain." "Let thy Child's first Lesson be Obedience, and the second will be what thou wilt." "Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead." "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." "If you'd have it done; Go: if not, Send." "Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time; for that's the stuff life is made of." "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall hang separately." "There never was a good war or a bad peace." "If you Riches are yours, why don't you take them with you to t'other World?" "Be slow in choosing a friend, slower in changing." "There is no little enemy." "Three can keep a secret, if two of them be dead." "Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy wealthy and wise." "Don't throw stones at your neighbors if your own windows are glass." "The cat in gloves catches no mice." "Lost time is never found again." "Necessity never made a good bargain." "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." "Well done is better than well said." "Better slip with foot than with tongue." "Hide not your talents, they for use were made. What's a sundial in the shade?" Who hath deceived thee so often as thyself? "The heart of the fool is in his mouth, but the mouth of the wise man is in his heart." "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself." "Remember, that time is money." "At twenty years of age, the ill reigns; at thirty, the wit; and at forty, the judgement." "Does thou love life? Then do not squander time, for that's the stuff life is made of." "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." "Whatever is begun in anger ends in shame." "I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work." "Energy and persistence conquer all thing. " "Genius without education is like silver in the mine. " "I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did." "I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity." "If you would persuade, you must appeal to interest rather than intellect." "They that will not be counseled, cannot be helped. If you do not hear reason she will rap you on the knuckles." "He that blows the coals in quarrels that he has nothing to do with, has no right to complain if the sparks fly in his face." "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." "To be thrown upon one's own resources, is to be cast into the very lap of fortune; for our faculties then undergo a development and display an energy of which they were previously unsusceptible." "Hide not your talents. They for use were made. What's a sundial in the shade." "Sloth makes all things difficult, but industry, all things easy. He that rises late must trot all day, and shall scarce overtake his business at night, while laziness travels so slowly that poverty soon overtakes him." "Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is." Another wise leader observed the following in the sermo cotidianus: "Vocatus atque non vocatus, Deus aderit", but a few year later another great military leader made a similar comment, "...ego vero, et domus mea colemus Jehovam", and while I agree with both, the later is something I have adopted as my motto. -jma At 05:12 PM 2/7/2005, Tim Johnson wrote: >James, > >It's your group and you can post whatever you want, but why not start >another Yahoo group for the religious articles. This wasn't the forum >for it. > >Tim Johnson >Born a Baptist, raised a Protestant, married to a Catholic and my >religious beliefs are my own ands personal. I would hope that you >would keep your beliefs to yourself. > >Hopefully, I won't get bounced for my comment and view. > >Tim Johnson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11002 From: Tim Johnson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 7:51pm Subject: Re: TRADEMARKS OF A FOOL Now, quotes i can handle. I have a software program of nothing but quotes, as well as Bartlett's book of quotes and etc. I find them educational, informative and fun to drop into responses. Breaks the monotony and confuses the reader as to whether i actually know what I'm talking about. I particularly like the one by Scatman Cruthers; Don't look back; something may be gaining on you. Tim -- Tim Johnson Technical Security Consultants Inc. PO Box 1295 Carrollton, GA 30112 770-836-4898 770-712-2164 Cell What you say in private is your business. Keeping it private is ours. Georgia License # PDC 002074 Technical Security Consultants Inc. MemberINTELNET Espionage Research Institute Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents-Technical Agent http://www.dbugman.com This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Neither this information block, the typed name of the sender, or anything else in this message is intended to constitute an electronic signature for purposes of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (E-Sign) unless a specific statement to the contrary is included in this message. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 11003 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 8:13pm Subject: and a light unto my feet The following product line has been brought up a number of times in the past, and I think that it is time to talk about it again. One of the simplest, and most overlooked tools or instruments in a TSCM'er set of equipment is the humble flashlight, or as out British brethren like to called them "Torches". The flashlight will turn up more bugs and/or eavesdropping devices than any other piece of equipment, and is the tool used to confirm the findings of a one of the fancy pieces of laboratory grade test equipment. The powerful, white light Xenon lights works really well, but the batteries tend not to last, they do not suffer abuse well and really run hot which makes then unpleasant to use in tight places. A tungsten bulb flashlight is pretty much out of the question as the red cast obscures details, and saturates the eye (white or green light is better). An LED type of flashlight works amazingly well, but lack the wide spectral response of a Xenon bulb flashlight. On the other hand an LED flashlight will run for extended periods on batteries, the lamps are quite small, they take a lot of abuse before breaking, and you can get them in a wide variety of colors (more on this later). A company called Emissive Energy makes a product line called "Inova" which is a good series of flashlights, and they have a website at: http://www.inovalight.com/ The X0 is a large unit suitable to general purpose illumination as it is about as close to a "white" light as you can get in an LED flashlight. It take CR123 lithium batteries and is small enough so that you can fit several in your pants pocket. The beam is highly focused and concentrated with a nice crisp penumbra. The X1 is much smaller, and runs on only a single AA alkaline battery. One of the great benefits of the X1 is the significantly smaller size which when used with a dental or small inspection mirror let's you get into some really tight spots. The X5 is an interesting product that is similar to the first two models, but it has five LED's in an array and while the white light version less desirable than the X0 or X1 it comes into its own with the UV model that really does a great job. The X1's are available in various colors including White, Blue, Green, and UV and you can buy several in each color for only a few dollars each. The Green unit will give you the greatest resolution and detail but a lot of people find it awkward at first to "see green" until they realize the little things they had previously missed. It is the same situation for using the X5's in UV where you will be amazed by what had previously been invisible to you. I recommend that you buy at least 2 or 3 ea of the X0's in White, 2 ea X5's in UV, 2 ea X1's in each of the following colors available. They can all be obtained via multiple vendors on E-Bay for very little money (in TSCM terms). I would caution you that the UV LED's will seriously harm you unless you take certain safety measures is they as very bright. -jma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11004 From: secretsquirrel_2 Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 6:51pm Subject: Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager Hi JMA, I'd be interested in seeing any images you may have of the below concept in motion. Theoretically it makes sense, however, would the images produced genuinely be of use for TSCM operations? Also, have you an exact model of the SONY you have done this to, or would any CDD low lux camera do the job? If it really does work, then there are thousands of dollars to save! Thank you! SS --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, "James M. Atkinson" wrote: > Tim, > > You might also want to pickup a Sony Nightshot/0 lux camcorder. > > No, really... I am serious. > > The Nightshot series of camcorders can be modified to force the unit into > full time IR mode, and with removal of the hot filter that is in front of > the CCD element you can have a fairly decent performance thermal or at > least near thermal imaging system. It may not be a quarter of a degree of > resolution, but it does provide something usable. > > Yes, it is primary designed to be an infrared camera, but the hot filter is > actually a thermal low pass filter that when removed can be used for a > wicked cheap thermal camera as you get to open up the CCD element to higher > frequency light. You can also enhance the effect by illuminating the area > that you are inspecting with a I/R spotlight with a 900 nm high pass > filter. A small board camera hidden in a ceiling tile, or a pinhole > microphone concealed in a wall will be quite obvious with this kind of > system, and the results will be in a monochrome and not fancy color, but on > the plus side you can put together a system for less than a few hundred bucks. > > Also, when using a thermal camera use a ***BIG*** display and not the > cheesy little 2 or 3 inch micro-monitors they typically include. Set up > something that is at least a 10 inch display or larger and don't be bashful > about using a 15-17 inch LCD panel or video projector. You can even run the > monitor in black-and-white mode and add in a small video amplifier to tweak > up the contrast so that you can better see the slight anomalies. > > Don't expect to use a thermal system from more than 6-8 feet away from the > thing that you are inspecting, and try to be within four feet or less. You > will find it easier to find nasty goodies if you can rapidly drop the room > temperature while you keep the wall or ceiling you are inspecting warmer. > > The ideal thermal system to use is one that is used to observe biological > functions and not one used for mechanical systems and those used by > electricians to examine transformers, motors, and breaker panels. Our > primary interest is typically between 60 or 70 and 90 or 110 degree's F, > and we typically would like to be able to detect a difference of a tenth of > a degree or better. We want a system that can see the heat difference > caused by a breath being exhaled, and then watch the eddies and currents > are the heat curls though the air. > > The industrial units are fine if you are looking for a bug hidden in a > molten pool of steel at the bottom of a blast furnace, or if you are trying > to measure a the heat produced by a light bulb. > > -jma > > > > > > At 05:21 PM 2/7/2005, Tim Johnson wrote: > > >Thanks for the info. > > > >I bought it just to play around with and to see what its capabilities > >are. It was interesting to see someone place their palm on a table > >for 2 seconds and to then have the image displayed (we didn't try for > >time, just for the image, so I have no idea how long it would have > >been visible. > > > >Once (IF) I get it to interface with the Dell PC (without a serial > >port) I'll do some testing and let the folks on TSCM-L know what the > >results are. > > > >Tim > >-- > > > >Tim Johnson > > > >Technical Security Consultants Inc. > >PO Box 1295 > >Carrollton, GA 30112 > >770-836-4898 > >770-712-2164 Cell > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- > We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546- 3803 > Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- > World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and > Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- 11005 From: Charles Patterson Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 0:00am Subject: Re: Re: Anyone know this new Yahoo-group (Email-tracer) That's a Ralph Thomas group. He's got a gizillion PI news groups and other pi related web sites. Easy for him to get 592 members in one day. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "contranl" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Anyone know this new Yahoo-group (Email-tracer) > > . > > Funny they exist only one day...and already have 592 members...i am > shure that is not possible. > (unless they use some tricks as Jim mentioned before) > > So probably these are they good guys to talk to since they > are "cheating" even before they've started :) > > > Tetrascanner > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > VAH! DENUONE LATINE LOQUEBAR? > ME INEPTUM. INTERDUM MODO ELABITUR. > =================================================== TSKS > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2005/02/01 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 11008 From: Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 5:13am Subject: Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager Tim and all, I have been using the IRISYS since around Oct of last year and it was the one we looked at at the conference in November. It is again like the Oscar and Spectrum analyzer's, good old mark one eyeball, a tool for the professional. I was disapointed with the capabilities of the IRISYS for possible use as a TSCM tool. But it is useful in determining hot spots for electrical wiring or circuit breakers which I think it was originally designed for. After seeing other units such as FLIR, Raython units and the palm IR, the IRISYS falls short of those capabilities. We did some tests witht the unit at the november conference and it jsut did not measure up to the quality of the other units but again its specs also tell you that. I was not up to IR requirments and took the chance and purchased the unit. I am now utilizing it with an master electrician for other uses such as determinging possible problems with older panels and alike, it does wellin some of those cases. I feel if they (IRISYS) would do a bit more such as making the lens capable of adjustment and get the sensitivity to an appreciable leverl for us to use it as a tool for TSCM it will be a good product but I am sure the cost would go up to. Bill Rhoads 11009 From: joe joe Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 6:42am Subject: Re: Re: IRISYS Thermal Imager what james stated about the mod to the sony will work but it will almost be like using the irisys, it really falls short of a thermo for tscm use, unless the eavesdropper wants to use a car battery with a transmitter hidden somewhere then yes it will probably find it --- secretsquirrel_2 wrote: > > > Hi JMA, > > I'd be interested in seeing any images you may have > of the below > concept in motion. Theoretically it makes sense, > however, would the > images produced genuinely be of use for TSCM > operations? > > Also, have you an exact model of the SONY you have > done this to, or > would any CDD low lux camera do the job? > > If it really does work, then there are thousands of > dollars to save! > > Thank you! > > SS > > > --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, "James M. Atkinson" > wrote: > > Tim, > > > > You might also want to pickup a Sony Nightshot/0 > lux camcorder. > > > > No, really... I am serious. > > > > The Nightshot series of camcorders can be modified > to force the > unit into > > full time IR mode, and with removal of the hot > filter that is in > front of > > the CCD element you can have a fairly decent > performance thermal or > at > > least near thermal imaging system. It may not be a > quarter of a > degree of > > resolution, but it does provide something usable. > > > > Yes, it is primary designed to be an infrared > camera, but the hot > filter is > > actually a thermal low pass filter that when > removed can be used > for a > > wicked cheap thermal camera as you get to open up > the CCD element > to higher > > frequency light. You can also enhance the effect > by illuminating > the area > > that you are inspecting with a I/R spotlight with > a 900 nm high > pass > > filter. A small board camera hidden in a ceiling > tile, or a pinhole > > microphone concealed in a wall will be quite > obvious with this kind > of > > system, and the results will be in a monochrome > and not fancy > color, but on > > the plus side you can put together a system for > less than a few > hundred bucks. > > > > Also, when using a thermal camera use a ***BIG*** > display and not > the > > cheesy little 2 or 3 inch micro-monitors they > typically include. > Set up > > something that is at least a 10 inch display or > larger and don't be > bashful > > about using a 15-17 inch LCD panel or video > projector. You can even > run the > > monitor in black-and-white mode and add in a small > video amplifier > to tweak > > up the contrast so that you can better see the > slight anomalies. > > > > Don't expect to use a thermal system from more > than 6-8 feet away > from the > > thing that you are inspecting, and try to be > within four feet or > less. You > > will find it easier to find nasty goodies if you > can rapidly drop > the room > > temperature while you keep the wall or ceiling you > are inspecting > warmer. > > > > The ideal thermal system to use is one that is > used to observe > biological > > functions and not one used for mechanical systems > and those used by > > electricians to examine transformers, motors, and > breaker panels. > Our > > primary interest is typically between 60 or 70 and > 90 or 110 > degree's F, > > and we typically would like to be able to detect a > difference of a > tenth of > > a degree or better. We want a system that can see > the heat > difference > > caused by a breath being exhaled, and then watch > the eddies and > currents > > are the heat curls though the air. > > > > The industrial units are fine if you are looking > for a bug hidden > in a > > molten pool of steel at the bottom of a blast > furnace, or if you > are trying > > to measure a the heat produced by a light bulb. > > > > -jma > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:21 PM 2/7/2005, Tim Johnson wrote: > > > > >Thanks for the info. > > > > > >I bought it just to play around with and to see > what its > capabilities > > >are. It was interesting to see someone place > their palm on a table > > >for 2 seconds and to then have the image > displayed (we didn't try > for > > >time, just for the image, so I have no idea how > long it would have > > >been visible. > > > > > >Once (IF) I get it to interface with the Dell PC > (without a serial > > >port) I'll do some testing and let the folks on > TSCM-L know what > the > > >results are. > > > > > >Tim > > >-- > > > > > >Tim Johnson > > > > > >Technical Security Consultants Inc. > > >PO Box 1295 > > >Carrollton, GA 30112 > > >770-836-4898 > > >770-712-2164 Cell > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------- > > We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, > and Real > Wiretappers. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------- > > James M. Atkinson > Phone: (978) 546- > 3803 > > Granite Island Group Fax: > (978) 546-9467 > > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 > Web: > http://www.tscm.com/ > > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: > mailto:jmatk@t... > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------- > > World Class, Professional, Ethical, and > Competent Bug Sweeps, and > > Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory > Grade Test > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 11010 From: G P Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 7:02am Subject: RE: TRADEMARKS OF A FOOL Solomon, Son of David? --- A Grudko wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: James M. Atkinson [mailto:jmatk@t...] > >> The Book of Proverbs deals with many different >> topics that relate to every day life. > > Author? > > Andy Grudko (British), DPM, Grad IS (South Africa) 11011 From: jtowler Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 6:22am Subject: RE: and a light unto my feet James, An interesting post, but can you write a little more on the subject please: Q: What might you see using UV, in a TSCM context, that you might not otherwise? Q: Same question, but for green, which you say offers finer detail? Q: More details please on the "take certain safety measures" re the bright UV leds? Etc, and so on, for any additional comments you might wish to add re using light, and different colours (Sorry: colors :-). Regards, Jim Towler -----Original Message----- From: James M. Atkinson [mailto:jmatk@t...] Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2005 3:14 p.m. To: TSCM-L Subject: [TSCM-L] and a light unto my feet The following product line has been brought up a number of times in the past, and I think that it is time to talk about it again. One of the simplest, and most overlooked tools or instruments in a TSCM'er set of equipment is the humble flashlight, or as out British brethren like to called them "Torches". The flashlight will turn up more bugs and/or eavesdropping devices than any other piece of equipment, and is the tool used to confirm the findings of a one of the fancy pieces of laboratory grade test equipment. The powerful, white light Xenon lights works really well, but the batteries tend not to last, they do not suffer abuse well and really run hot which makes then unpleasant to use in tight places. A tungsten bulb flashlight is pretty much out of the question as the red cast obscures details, and saturates the eye (white or green light is better). An LED type of flashlight works amazingly well, but lack the wide spectral response of a Xenon bulb flashlight. On the other hand an LED flashlight will run for extended periods on batteries, the lamps are quite small, they take a lot of abuse before breaking, and you can get them in a wide variety of colors (more on this later). A company called Emissive Energy makes a product line called "Inova" which is a good series of flashlights, and they have a website at: http://www.inovalight.com/ The X0 is a large unit suitable to general purpose illumination as it is about as close to a "white" light as you can get in an LED flashlight. It take CR123 lithium batteries and is small enough so that you can fit several in your pants pocket. The beam is highly focused and concentrated with a nice crisp penumbra. The X1 is much smaller, and runs on only a single AA alkaline battery. One of the great benefits of the X1 is the significantly smaller size which when used with a dental or small inspection mirror let's you get into some really tight spots. The X5 is an interesting product that is similar to the first two models, but it has five LED's in an array and while the white light version less desirable than the X0 or X1 it comes into its own with the UV model that really does a great job. The X1's are available in various colors including White, Blue, Green, and UV and you can buy several in each color for only a few dollars each. The Green unit will give you the greatest resolution and detail but a lot of people find it awkward at first to "see green" until they realize the little things they had previously missed. It is the same situation for using the X5's in UV where you will be amazed by what had previously been invisible to you. I recommend that you buy at least 2 or 3 ea of the X0's in White, 2 ea X5's in UV, 2 ea X1's in each of the following colors available. They can all be obtained via multiple vendors on E-Bay for very little money (in TSCM terms). I would caution you that the UV LED's will seriously harm you unless you take certain safety measures is they as very bright. -jma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ James M. 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