From: Gregory Horton Date: Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:41am Subject: Re: Digest Number 1487 You know, I read the entire article and I didn't notice anything about TSCM. Take it to a different thread. maxs@m... wrote: >Hello SOCIETY > >What about this topic ? > >1. Quote of the Month: Interpreting God's Intentions >--------------------------------------------------- >"Both speeches had the quality of sermons. Both leaders invoked God, and neither had any doubt about whose side God was on. And both interpreted God's intentions." >-- Brian Michael Jenkins, RAND terrorism expert, writing in a Los Angeles Times commentary that compared recent speeches by President Bush and Osama bin Laden > > >>>http://www.rand.org/rnbrd/commentary/020104LAT.html >>> >>> > >Sincerely > >Martin KO CIA N > > > > >----- >Připojte se přes RazDva a vyberte si jednu z nových cen v Bonus Clubu. Více na http://club.razdva.cz. > > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: >http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 8225 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:23am Subject: To change a light bulb... alone... in the rain... How many group posters does it take to change a light bulb? 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs 53 to flame the spell checkers 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp" 15 know-it-alls who claim *they* were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct 156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy" 109 to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb group 203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb group about changing light bulbs be stopped 111 to defend the posting to this group saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this group 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty 27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group 33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too" 12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy 19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three" 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ 44 to ask what is a "FAQ" 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" 143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs" 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.... Happy Friday the 13th ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8226 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:28am Subject: Taiwanese couple held in China for spying http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,235147,00.html Taiwanese couple held in China for spying BEIJING - China has detained a Taiwanese couple for spying, making them the third in a string of espionage-related arrests on the mainland, state media said yesterday. Chang Hsu-min, 27, and his girlfriend Yu Shi-ping, 24, were arrested on Jan 13 for collecting missile intelligence in south-eastern Fujian province which faces Taiwan, the Global Times reported. The latest case came a month after the arrest of 24 other Taiwanese accused by the Chinese of being agents, along with 19 mainlanders. Chang and Yu, described as agents of the Taiwanese Military Intelligence Bureau, were in Taiwan at the time of the December arrests. They were there to report to their superiors, according to the paper. Despite the increased danger, they were sent back to the mainland via Hong Kong and were detained after just two days, it said. 'It's outrageous that the Taiwan intelligence service simply slipped them into the opponent's pocket,' the paper commented. It published pictures of the couple with their eyes blacked out. News of the duo's detention followed reports in Taiwan media last week that three other Taiwanese had been arrested in the mainland on suspicions of spying on military installations, including Chinese missiles pointing in the direction of Taiwan. Reports have said the Chinese were able to track down the intelligence operations after Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian gave the exact number of missiles aimed at the island. -- AFP, Reuters ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8227 From: Robert Dyk Date: Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:18pm Subject: Surveillance Periscope This item was just listed for any active surveillance types out there... Surveillance Periscope http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3077869038 Thanks for your time, Robert Dyk robert@w... Worldwide Security Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario Canada This e-mail is confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not the addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. 8228 From: contranl Date: Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:53pm Subject: New electronic trick to steal money from ATM's . Dutch police are trying to catch a gang that uses advanced electronic equipment to empty bankaccounts from people that use magnetic credit cards on automatic money machines. This is how it works: The gang searches for a money dispenser in a shopping street preferably one that is not placed in the wall of a bank...they do that because these ones do'nt have built-in security cameras that could later identify them. The criminals have made a perfect copy of a part of the machine it's the part where you insert your magnetic-stripe card This is placed over the original area where the card should be inserted...not being an expert you wo'nt recognize it as a fake. Inside the fake part is a simple and very small card reader that collects the data from the stripe while it is passing trough on it's way to the real reader below...the gathered data is then transmitted on to a van on the other side of the street. This is not enough...they need the 4 digit pin-code as well...so a small camera with transmitter is placed...hidden in a object that seems to belong there...the video signal is also received in the van Immidiatly when they have all data collected the gang members start to make a copy of the card...this takes them 30 seconds When nobody is looking they take the fake card to the money machine punch in the pin-code and completely empty the account. ............ I estimate the following stuff is used to do this: A card reader is simple to make...all you need is a magnetic head like those used in tape-recorders...some simple circuit to convert the pulses to a FSK-signal and a simple low power transmitter All this would fit in a matchbox In the van you need a a receiver and a fsk-decoder like the software based ones used by radioamateurs...the data can be stored on a laptop A card encoder is widely available for less then 200 US$ This card encoder is also hooked up to the same laptop..the received data is then passed from the stored data file to the file used to encode the credit card ...thats all. The video camera is probably a very small one (1,5 x 1,5 cm's) wihth a pinhole lens..the camera is connected to a 10 mw videotransmitter probably working in the 2.4 Ghz band Since this is a short time operation the battery can be very small too. A second variation is where the reader is placed next to or inside the original reader that is used to open a door that gives acess to the room where the money-machine is placed. I "designed" this trick myself about 8 years ago...and i am surprised that it took so long before some criminals figured it out too. You are warned ! Tetrascanner www.tetrascanner.com . 8229 From: contranl Date: Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:12pm Subject: Screening your house against unhealthy radiation from Tetra-base-stations . There is a lot of fuzz going on about the new digital radio-networks based on the "Tetra" standard, These networks are now operational in 50 countries The unhealthy effects have not been proven...but the contrary neither Tetra uses the 380~400 Mhz band and the modulation is TDMA The carrier is switched on and of at a rate of around 17 hz Similair to GSM-cellphones (217) this causes a lot of interference The power levels in Tetra are higher then with Gsm,the switching frequency of 17 hz is more dangerous then that of Gsm because it's in the range of "human" frequencies Specially in the UK action-groups exist that want to ban the antenna-masts at all Now i read this article: http://www.iwcp.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspxSectionID=1252&ArticleID=73998 I have no opinion about the possible health effects...but screening only your windows and not the whole house including walls wont help much i guess ? if it helps at all ... in the worse case small pieces of non-grounded shields might even worsen the case ? (re-radiating/reflecting/concentrating) Any comments ? Tnx Tetrascanner www.tetrascanner.com . 8230 From: contranl Date: Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:28pm Subject: Van Eijck receiver (radiation of crt monitors) . About 10 years ago a researcher from a laboratory owned by the Dutch PTT(former state telephone company similair to AT&T) invented a receiver that could pick up radiation from crt based monitors. Not shure if the man his name was "Van Eijck" or "Van Eck" Distance was up to 400 meters...they even made a unit available at about 3500 US $...all this was done to market a chip made by plessey that would scramble the tv-lines...the lines would be written in a different order then normal...so anyone who would try to receive anything would not be able to restore the original picture... The person watching the original screen would still see the whole picture in a correct way caused by the delay effect of the crt screen Does anyone know where to find information about this? how to make such a receiver...or does anyone manufacutere such a receiver ? Yes i know That it does'nt work on LCD screens Thanks . 8232 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:53pm Subject: Re: Screening your house On 14 Feb 2004 at 1:12, contranl wrote: > There is a lot of fuzz going on about the new digital radio-networks > based on the "Tetra" standard, > The unhealthy effects have not been proven...but the contrary neither You can't prove a negative. > Tetra uses the 380~400 Mhz band and the modulation is TDMA > The carrier is switched on and of at a rate of around 17 hz > Similair to GSM-cellphones (217) this causes a lot of interference The > power levels in Tetra are higher then with Gsm,the switching frequency > of 17 hz is more dangerous then that of Gsm because it's in the range > of "human" frequencies The U.S. FCC has guidelines for human exposure to RF radiation. There are formulae and charts for frequency, ERP, distance, field strength, etc. Amateur radio operators are supposed to know this. I don't. The type of modulation is not mentioned and I do not believe it would make a difference overall. There may be some consideration for duty cycles of stuff like SSB with an intermittent duty cycle and lower average power versus continual key down data. Do some web searching and you'll turn up the data and the studies used to derive it. I don't recall seeing any credible information on 'human' frequencies. I have seen a lot of lunatic fringe stuff on them. That doesn't mean there isn't anything to it, but I haven't seen anything credible. Shielding and screening can work if done properly. It rarely is done properly and probably never at a consumer level. Research screen rooms and you'll see why. You may want to research the archives of this list on yahoogroups.com. Every question you asked in your various messages has been discussed and debated to death on this list in previous years. Here is a good site for Van Eck info: http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 8235 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:20pm Subject: Re: Van Eijck receiver (radiation of crt monitors) I have an extended write up of this subject at: http://www.tscm.com/TSCM101tempest.html -jma At 08:28 PM 2/13/2004, contranl wrote: >. > > >About 10 years ago a researcher from a laboratory owned by the Dutch >PTT(former state telephone company similair to AT&T) invented a >receiver that could pick up radiation from crt based monitors. >Not shure if the man his name was "Van Eijck" or "Van Eck" > >Distance was up to 400 meters...they even made a unit available at >about 3500 US $...all this was done to market a chip made by plessey >that would scramble the tv-lines...the lines would be written in a >different order then normal...so anyone who would try to receive >anything would not be able to restore the original picture... >The person watching the original screen would still see the whole >picture in a correct way caused by the delay effect of the crt screen > >Does anyone know where to find information about this? how to make >such a receiver...or does anyone manufacutere such a receiver ? > >Yes i know That it does'nt work on LCD screens > >Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8236 From: Date: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:41pm Subject: File - mission.txt TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List Dedicated to TSCM specialists engaging in expert technical and analytical research for the detection, nullification, and isolation of eavesdropping devices, wiretaps, bugging devices, technical surveillance penetrations, technical surveillance hazards, and physical security weaknesses. This also includes bug detection, bug sweep, and wiretap detection services. Special emphasis is given to detecting and countering espionage and other threats and activities directed by foreign intelligence services against the United States Government, United States corporations, establishments, and citizens. The list includes technical discussion regarding the design and construction of SCIF facilities, Black Chambers, and Screen Rooms. This list is also for discussing DIAM 50-3, NSA-65, and DCID 1/21, 1/22 compliance. The primary goal and mission of this list is to "raise the bar" and increase the level of professionalism present within the TSCM business. The secondary goal of this list is to increase the quality and effectiveness of our efforts so that we give spies and eavesdroppers no quarter, and to neutralize all of their espionage efforts. This mailing list is moderated by James M. Atkinson and sponsored by Granite Island Group as a public service to the TSCM, Counter Intelligence, and technical security community. 8237 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:04pm Subject: GOP has asked British SS to bug phones of American political candidates http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1078599/posts Explosive Story: GOP has asked British SS to bug phones of American political candidates! Posted on 02/15/2004 8:36:43 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs FOX NEWS 11:25am EST 2-15-2004 Fox news is interviewing John Loftus, Formers Justice Department Prosectutor who states that he has an inside scoop that "the Republican Party has asked the British Secret Service to bug phones of American political Candidates. " FOX NEWS Eric Shawn: "It's a very serious and very shocking story." JOHN LOFTUS: "That allegation seems very strong of that is the case. Why would any political party want to bug someone else? It's a juicy way of running a smear campaign behind the works. We have been doing that for about 50 years and it started with president Roosevelt. He had signed a secret treaty with Britain in 1943 that let them each set up listening posts on each other's soil with no search warrants. It's a great little scheme. " "So the British can use American computers to bug American politicians, and the Americans can use British computers to bug British politicians and each side can truthfully say that they aren't spying on their own citizens. They are just trading information under the table." ERIC: How widespread is this. Members of the Security Council admitted to me that they are being bugged and that it wasn't surprising, they expected that. JOHN: "What congress doesn't realize is that this is meant to favor one party only. In 1978 Carter tried to ban taping without a court order. So the bill is that the NSA cannot target American citizens, but not other countries from doing it. " ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8238 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:07pm Subject: British spy op wrecked peace move http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1148623,00.html British spy op wrecked peace move Martin Bright, Peter Beaumont and Jo Tuckman in Mexico Sunday February 15, 2004 The Observer A joint British and American spying operation at the United Nations scuppered a last-ditch initiative to avert the invasion of Iraq, The Observer can reveal. Senior UN diplomats from Mexico and Chile provided new evidence last week that their missions were spied on, in direct contravention of international law. The former Mexican ambassador to the UN, Adolfo Aguilar Zinser, told The Observer that US officials intervened last March, just days before the war against Saddam was launched, to halt secret negotiations for a compromise resolution to give weapons inspectors more time to complete their work. Aguilar Zinser claimed that the intervention could only have come as a result of surveillance of a closed diplomatic meeting where the compromise was being hammered out. He said it was clear the Americans knew about the confidential discussions in advance. 'When they [the US] found out, they said, "You should know that we don't like the idea and we don't like you to promote it."' The revelations follow claims by Chile's former ambassador to the UN, Juan Valdes, that he found hard evidence of bugging at his mission in New York last March. The new claims emerged as The Observer has discovered that Government officials seriously considered dropping the prosecution against Katharine Gun, the translator at the GCHQ surveillance centre who first disclosed details of the espionage operation last March. According to Whitehall sources, officials feared the prosecution would leave the Government and the intelligence services open to embarrassing disclosures. They were known to be concerned that the 29-year-old Chinese language specialist would be seen as a patriotic young woman acting out of principle to reveal an illegal operation rather than as someone who betrayed her country's secrets. They are also known to be worried that any trial would force the disclosure of Government legal advice on intervention in Iraq, described by one source as 'at best ambiguous'. Gun has attracted high profile support, particularly in the US, where her case has been taken up by Hollywood stars, civil rights campaigners and members of Congress. Yesterday, Oscar nominee, Sean Penn, told The Observer that Gun was 'a hero of the human spirit'. Aguilar Zinser also paid tribute: 'She is serving a noble cause by denouncing what could be illegal acts,' he said. The operation by the US National Security Agency and GCHQ was revealed by The Observer last March, after a leaked memo showed US spies had begun an intelligence 'surge' on members of the UN security council in which they needed British help. Liberal Democrat Foreign Affairs spokesman Menzies Campbell last night called on Foreign Secretary Jack Straw to clarify Britain's role: 'If the allegations that these operations had ministerial authority are well-founded, then it could hardly be more serious for the Government. There will be understandable uproar at the UN. On the other hand, if the eavesdropping took place without Ministers knowing, then the question is, who was in charge?' The Mexican government confirmed last week that diplomatic letters were sent to Straw last December asking him to clarify whether GCHQ was involved in spying on its UN allies. They have yet to receive a response. The Foreign Office refused to comment on the new allegations. But the revelations of the former Mexican ambassador will not go away as he is planning a book about his experiences at the United Nations. Aguilar Zinser told The Observer that the meeting of diplomats from six nations took place about a week before the decision not to put the resolution to the vote. They were working on a draft document of a compromise solution when the American intervened. 'We had yet to get our capitals to go along with it, it was at a very early stage. Only the people in the room knew what the document said. The surprising thing was the very rapid flow of information to [US] quarters. 'The meeting was in the evening and they call us in the morning before the meeting of the Security Council and they say, 'We appreciate you trying to find ideas, but this is not a good idea." I say, "Thanks, that's good to know." We were looking for a compromise and they [the US] say, "Do not attempt it."' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@t... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8239 From: Jim Conrad Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 0:19am Subject: Re: Van Eijck receiver (radiation of crt monitors) The real thing ??? :-) http://www.oceanviewcom.com/ebay/021504/van_eijck_box.jpg At 10:20 PM 2/14/2004, James M. Atkinson wrote: >I have an extended write up of this subject at: >http://www.tscm.com/TSCM101tempest.html > >-jma > > > >At 08:28 PM 2/13/2004, contranl wrote: > >. > > > > > >About 10 years ago a researcher from a laboratory owned by the Dutch > >PTT(former state telephone company similair to AT&T) invented a > >receiver that could pick up radiation from crt based monitors. > >Not shure if the man his name was "Van Eijck" or "Van Eck" > > > >Distance was up to 400 meters...they even made a unit available at > >about 3500 US $...all this was done to market a chip made by plessey > >that would scramble the tv-lines...the lines would be written in a > >different order then normal...so anyone who would try to receive > >anything would not be able to restore the original picture... > >The person watching the original screen would still see the whole > >picture in a correct way caused by the delay effect of the crt screen > > > >Does anyone know where to find information about this? how to make > >such a receiver...or does anyone manufacutere such a receiver ? > > > >Yes i know That it does'nt work on LCD screens > > > >Thanks <:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:> Jim Conrad - jjc@o... or jimc1790@a... (backup) 757-560-5970 Office/Voicemail/Pager - 757-587-8251 Fax CAGE 0UD60 - http://www.oceanviewcom.com/ 8242 From: contranl Date: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:09pm Subject: Laser Microphones , Gps receiver-detector. . Last questions for today : 1) What is the current state of development and availability of so called "laser microphones" where a leaser beam is being directed at a window and then reflected back...the reflected beam is then converted to an electrical signal using a photo electric cell I have seen demonstrations on this by a German company (PK Electronics)many years ago, and later i made one myself...results were not to good but i succeeded in listening to a closed telephone booth with windows...from a 50 meters distance. such a phonebooth is probably the easiest way to use this technique on ,since it is very small and has big windows therefore the sound pressure on these windows is very high...but what about less convinient situations ? Are there any developments on this...a serious manufacturer that has one available maybe ? ........................ 2) Does any one have experience with this fairly new equipment: "Signet" and "Signet-mobile" they are manufactured by the UK based company called "Audiotel" http://www.audiotel-int.com I know they have been around for a long time and have manufactured some good detection equipment. But these new devices...i do'nt know...they seem to me like simple wideband AM-detectors..in a nice hightek casing. ........................... 3) Detection of Gps receivers Has anyone ever thought of the possibility to make a "GPS receiver-detector" Gps receivers are used in many applications... i would be interested in obtaining ore making such a detector...the application would be the detection of car-trackers (passive or active) specially the so called "loggers" that just receive and do'nt cummunicate Such a detector could be based on the principle of detecting either the: Local oscillator frequency (LO) or Microprocessor quartz frequency chances are very high that most of these gps-receivers use some common frequencies...a list of used frequencies would be very small i guess...so they could be scanned fast using a dedicated receiver or possibly a standard radio-scanner anyone ? Thanks Tetrascanner www.tetrascanner.com . 8243 From: Spook Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:23am Subject: Re: Van Eijck receiver (radiation of crt monitors) Nope, -jma At 01:19 AM 2/16/2004, Jim Conrad wrote: >The real thing ??? :-) > >http://www.oceanviewcom.com/ebay/021504/van_eijck_box.jpg > > > >At 10:20 PM 2/14/2004, James M. Atkinson wrote: > >>I have an extended write up of this subject at: >>http://www.tscm.com/TSCM101tempest.html >> >>-jma >> >> >> >>At 08:28 PM 2/13/2004, contranl wrote: >> >. >> > >> > >> >About 10 years ago a researcher from a laboratory owned by the Dutch >> >PTT(former state telephone company similair to AT&T) invented a >> >receiver that could pick up radiation from crt based monitors. >> >Not shure if the man his name was "Van Eijck" or "Van Eck" >> > >> >Distance was up to 400 meters...they even made a unit available at >> >about 3500 US $...all this was done to market a chip made by plessey >> >that would scramble the tv-lines...the lines would be written in a >> >different order then normal...so anyone who would try to receive >> >anything would not be able to restore the original picture... >> >The person watching the original screen would still see the whole >> >picture in a correct way caused by the delay effect of the crt screen >> > >> >Does anyone know where to find information about this? how to make >> >such a receiver...or does anyone manufacutere such a receiver ? >> > >> >Yes i know That it does'nt work on LCD screens >> > >> >Thanks > > ><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:> > Jim Conrad - jjc@o... or jimc1790@a... (backup) > 757-560-5970 Office/Voicemail/Pager - 757-587-8251 Fax > CAGE 0UD60 - http://www.oceanviewcom.com/ 8246 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:13pm Subject: Re: Laser Microphones , Gps receiver-detector. On 15 Feb 2004 at 19:09, contranl wrote: > What is the current state of development and availability > of so called "laser microphones" where a leaser beam is being > directed at a window and then reflected back...the reflected beam is > then converted to an electrical signal using a photo electric cell Laboratory science only. Impractical in the real world. Again, check the archives. I bet you'll find fifty messages discussing this in detail. There is some non-hype factual info on www.spybusters.com. > I have seen demonstrations on this by a German company (PK > Electronics)many years ago PK is well known for staging phony demos. I've personally seen them. Don't use shysters as a reference. Or any spy shop. The concept is valid, and the spy shops have capitalized on it. However, environmental noises are much greater intensity than the human voice, not to mention the near-impossibility of finding the reflected laser beam. People like to throw around the buzzwords of angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection. You'd have to hit the surface off which you're reflecting at precisely 90 degrees to have the beam bounce back to you, and that's presuming the reflecting surface is perfect, which glass or other things are not. I don't know if retroreflectors would address this problem or not. > Detection of Gps receivers > Such a detector could be based on the principle of detecting either > the: > Local oscillator frequency (LO) Possible. Probably not practical, especially if the receiver is in a metal box. > or > Microprocessor quartz frequency > chances are very high that most of these gps-receivers use some > common frequencies...a list of used frequencies would be very small i > guess...so they could be scanned fast using a dedicated receiver or > possibly a standard radio-scanner How many microprocessors do you think are in a modern automobile? If you get close enough to sniff a pipsqueek oscillator, you'd be close enough to see the thing physically I expect. You're talking a very weak signal, with the SMD leads being an inefficient antenna, probably inside a grounded metal box acting as a shield, in an environment with hundreds of microprocessors all happily radiating away and infinite nonlinear junctions in the vicinity to give you 2nd and 3rd and Nth order products of all these signals mixing. It'd be fun finding one signal out of the mass of noise across the spectrum. Certainly it could be done by experienced people knowing precisely what they were looking for, using the proper equipment, and having a blank check. But what is possible is very different from what is practical. A physical search would be much more practical. Keep thinking though. That's a good thing. And keep asking questions. You don't learn by talking nearly as much as you learn by listening. I commend you on your open and inquisitive mind. Don't forget the archives. Over a thousand people have been discussing every topic under the sun for years. There's a lot of info in the archives. Go to www.yahoogroups.com and log in using your username and password, then go to TSCM-L under My Groups, and you'll see the links for searching the list archives. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 8247 From: Michael Puchol Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:05pm Subject: Re: Re: Screening your house Hi, I happen to work with a TETRA network as part of my volunteer firefighter work - we have a regional TETRA network in the 380-400MHz band. Indeed, since this is a TDMA network, with logical carriers (slots) on each physical carrier, with 25kHz bandwidth, there is switching - however, this switching is only done by the mobile stations (hand portable and vehicle mount). The base stations transmit a full-time carrier, and so they do not switch or alternate the RF patterns at all - in your SA it will look exactly the same as any other UHF RF carrier of similar characteristics, but in the analog domain. I've had one of these stations about 700 meters from my house, where I receive a -60dBm signal, for over three years, and I've not grown green tentacles or anything of the like. These stations transmit an EIRP of 10W, handheld transceivers between 1W and 3W, and mobiles a maximum of 10W. I can understand concerns about the RF characteristics of TETRA, but only by the professionals that use the terminals - they are the ones subjected to the switching RF......but so is anyone using a digital phone, and I think we'd be seeing an epidemic pattern by now if it had such bad effects. GSM has been widely used in Europe for some 10 years, time enough for sensitive people to develop RF-augmented diseases. Best regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Uhrig" To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:53 AM Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Screening your house > On 14 Feb 2004 at 1:12, contranl wrote: > > > There is a lot of fuzz going on about the new digital radio-networks > > based on the "Tetra" standard, > > > The unhealthy effects have not been proven...but the contrary neither > > You can't prove a negative. > > > Tetra uses the 380~400 Mhz band and the modulation is TDMA > > The carrier is switched on and of at a rate of around 17 hz > > > Similair to GSM-cellphones (217) this causes a lot of interference The > > power levels in Tetra are higher then with Gsm,the switching frequency > > of 17 hz is more dangerous then that of Gsm because it's in the range > > of "human" frequencies > > The U.S. FCC has guidelines for human exposure to RF radiation. There > are formulae and charts for frequency, ERP, distance, field strength, > etc. Amateur radio operators are supposed to know this. I don't. > > The type of modulation is not mentioned and I do not believe it would > make a difference overall. There may be some consideration for duty > cycles of stuff like SSB with an intermittent duty cycle and lower > average power versus continual key down data. > > Do some web searching and you'll turn up the data and the studies > used to derive it. > > I don't recall seeing any credible information on 'human' > frequencies. I have seen a lot of lunatic fringe stuff on them. That > doesn't mean there isn't anything to it, but I haven't seen anything > credible. > > Shielding and screening can work if done properly. It rarely is done > properly and probably never at a consumer level. Research screen > rooms and you'll see why. > > You may want to research the archives of this list on > yahoogroups.com. Every question you asked in your various messages > has been discussed and debated to death on this list in previous > years. > > Here is a good site for Van Eck info: > > http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html > > Steve > > > ******************************************************************* > Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) > Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip > mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com > tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 > "In God we trust, all others we monitor" > ******************************************************************* > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > 8251 From: jimbo Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:26am Subject: Intercepted video signal leads to arrest in suspected abuse http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/feb04/208097.asp Intercepted video signal leads to arrest in suspected abuse By JOHN DIEDRICH jdiedrich@j... Posted: Feb. 16, 2004 As William Brookins surveyed the images on a monitor from his home security cameras Sunday night, two young girls with their hands overhead flickered onto the screen. Milwaukee Surveillance Camera A video, which Milwaukee resident William Brookins said he picked up on his security system, shows two youngsters and a woman apparently striking one of them. A woman was later arrested. Surveillance Camera Related Coverage Video: TMJ4 report The 57-year-old snowplow driver realized he was intercepting images from another camera. He called neighbors trying to figure out whose home he was watching. All the while, the kids kept their hands high. After 25 minutes, the 2-year-old's arms began to sag. A woman charged into the picture and hit the toddler in the abdomen and then the face, knocking her to the floor. As the woman gestured, the girl scrambled back to her feet and again put her arms overhead. That was enough for Brookins. "I said, 'I got to call the police. This isn't right,' " he said. Detectives scoured the neighborhood and early Monday arrested Theresa Smith, a foster mother who lives in the 3200 block of N. 41st St. The girls in the video were foster children. Smith, 39, was arrested on suspicion of physical abuse of a child, according to the police jail log. The district attorney was reviewing the case. Six children lived in the home: the 2- and 4-year-old girls and a 5-month-old boy, all in foster care, plus Smith's own children, ages 14, 12 and 10, police said. Investigators did not find signs of abuse on the infant or older children. The younger children went to different foster homes. Child welfare workers took custody of Smith's children. Smith doesn't have a criminal record, and there were no other allegations of neglect against her during her three years as a licensed foster care parent, said Denise Revels Robinson, executive director of the state-run Bureau of Milwaukee Child Welfare, which oversees the foster care system. The bureau put a hold on Smith's status as a foster mother, meaning no children can be placed at her home while an outside agency conducts an investigation that could take 60 days, said Revels Robinson. Revels Robinson said it was "totally intolerable" that children who were sent to a foster home to escape neglect or abuse may have faced the same treatment in what was supposed to be a safe place. "I am very appalled," she said. "This is very much the exception, but one child is too many." In 2003, the bureau received 465 allegations of abuse by foster parents, 49 of which were substantiated, Revels Robinson said. The bureau supervises 1,600 foster homes in Milwaukee County where 3,900 children live, she said. Police and social workers alike said Monday that they had never heard of alleged abuse being captured by an intercepted video signal. Home security cameras operate in a relatively narrow frequency band, and it makes sense that one signal could pop onto another system, said Don Larson, who runs Security Electronics Inc., Muskego. "That is bizarre, but it's definitely possible," he said. Brookins bought the cameras off the Internet a couple of years ago to keep an eye on his snowplows. Each night, he flips among several cameras, videotaping the action off the monitor. At 9 p.m. Sunday, the other picture crept onto Brookins' screen. He compared it to having a call cut in on a wireless phone. After watching the girls stand with their hands overhead for a while, Brookins called friends who take care of children to see if they thought that was abuse. Making young children do that for so long was wrong, they said. The girls stood for 90 minutes with the arms up before they were allowed to go to bed at 10:40 p.m., he said. "That is too long for anyone," Brookins said. "I couldn't do it." Besides striking the 2-year-old, the woman in the video hit the 4-year-old on the head with what looked like a stick, Brookins said. Police officers arrived and were initially stumped about how to find the suspect. Detectives Sean Lips, a technology buff, called the camera maker and figured out that the other camera must be within 300 feet. Brookins gave police a tape of the abuse and went to bed. He woke at 4:18 a.m. to find his system still receiving the other camera's picture. He was shocked to see the 4-year-old girl again standing with her hands up. She stayed that way for more than two hours, until 6:30 a.m., when police arrived. Brookins saw the woman take the girls from the room and then a police officer came on his screen. Monday night, Brookins was back to watching his cameras for burglars. "They work well for me, and in this case they stopped some abuse," he said. From the Feb. 17, 2004 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel 8253 From: John Papaleo Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:26am Subject: RE: File - mission.txt this is a test only -----Original Message----- From: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 2:41 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] File - mission.txt TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List Dedicated to TSCM specialists engaging in expert technical and analytical research for the detection, nullification, and isolation of eavesdropping devices, wiretaps, bugging devices, technical surveillance penetrations, technical surveillance hazards, and physical security weaknesses. This also includes bug detection, bug sweep, and wiretap detection services. Special emphasis is given to detecting and countering espionage and other threats and activities directed by foreign intelligence services against the United States Government, United States corporations, establishments, and citizens. The list includes technical discussion regarding the design and construction of SCIF facilities, Black Chambers, and Screen Rooms. This list is also for discussing DIAM 50-3, NSA-65, and DCID 1/21, 1/22 compliance. The primary goal and mission of this list is to "raise the bar" and increase the level of professionalism present within the TSCM business. The secondary goal of this list is to increase the quality and effectiveness of our efforts so that we give spies and eavesdroppers no quarter, and to neutralize all of their espionage efforts. This mailing list is moderated by James M. Atkinson and sponsored by Granite Island Group as a public service to the TSCM, Counter Intelligence, and technical security community. ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Yahoo! Groups Links 8255 From: contranl Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 0:47pm Subject: To the moderator of this group . Dear Moderator, I see that one of the messages posted by my a few days ago (i guess i sent them on subday)has not shown up, The message concerned was about if anyone did have any experience with some new devices made by "audiotel UK"..i also stated that this company has been around for a long time and usually makes very good equipment.in my view the message was on topic and not against any of the rules of this group it did'nt insult the mentioned company either I do agree with somekind of moderation however...allthough i do'nt allways understand your criteria,specially the current gsm-jammer issue is not really very professional,i do understand your sometimes difficult position. Ofcourse you would have the right to keep this group the way you want it to be... Since i am a new member to this group it could be that i have written something that you would consider unfit. I am certainly not planning to spoil my membership here,i do appriciate this group very much and i have already sent several postings that were certainly of interest and on topic. i am not planning to lose my membership and will certainly keep to the rules Could you advice me what happened to my posting ? in the worst case something went wrong and the posting did'nt arrive..if that is the case please consider this message as not being written and i apologize beforehand. Thanks Yours sincerely Tetrascanner Amsterdam The Netherlands . 8256 From: contranl Date: Wed Feb 18, 2004 0:16pm Subject: Re: Lasermics and Gps receiver detector . A Little confused how it can happen that replies to messages come back to my yahoo mailadress saying that "they failed to be delivered"..while the where send and accepted in this group.....lucky enough the original message was included so here they are again: ................................................................. Thanks for the reply Steve, > Laboratory science only. Impractical in the real world. I am not shure on that...since i made one my self 10 or more years ago...you would have to agree that things have changed a little in 10 years...also i did not have access to all technology then (i still do'nt :) i used a simple and lowcost (noisy) laser and a lowcost photocell (noisy) the receiver was built in a old reflex camera and i succeeded doing 50 meters. i imagine that there's a lot of better components around today > I have seen demonstrations on this by a German company (PK > Electronics)many years ago > PK is well known for staging phony demos. I've personally seen > them. Don't use shysters as a reference. Or any spy shop. Could be but i was very sceptical..maybe they could fool someone else...i am technician enough to understand all the tricks they could use, thats why i made one myself > The concept is valid, and the spy shops have capitalized on it. I dont think they did that to a great extend ... the Germans asked something like 20.000 US$ for it... allthough i remember something about someone disappearing around that time..it had something to do with delivery of nightvision stuff to the middle east (that's what they said)it was either PK or Micro-electronics (both from Germany) > However, environmental noises are much greater intensity than the > human voice, true but since then DSP-filtering,Phasearray,Correlation and other techniques have come around. >not to mention the near-impossibility of finding the >reflected laser beam. you know more or less where it comes back...using a switchable dual beam (infrared+visible) solves that, it can be made visible using cards(kodak) that light up when "touched" by laser > You'd have to hit > the surface off which you're reflecting at precisely 90 degrees to > have the beam bounce back to you, That is when your transmitter and receiver are in the same place wich is not necessary. > surface is perfect, which glass or other things are not. I don't > know if retroreflectors would address this problem or not. I have heard of a slightly different approach where you do'nt actually have to catch back the reflected beam...they simply measure the size of the spot on the surface...this spot varies in size according to the movement of the surface...if this is possible then you could be anywhere and look at the spot from any angle...ofcourse maximum variation would still be at 90 degrees...allthough i think that these variations could be to small to measure.it's an interesting thought. My idea is that this lasermic technique could have been much improved since i made one myself(using low cost parts) 10 years ago, so it might be around...i always look at countersurveillance equipment available to know if the other side (the surveillance) exists...and specific laser counter stuff is around...shure..you could sell anti UFO stuff if somebody want's it. So i am not shure if better lasermics do'nt exist...the fact that you do'nt see them advertised does'nt mean anything. Allthough one other thing is that these days there are lots of other things around that would be easier and cheaper to use instead of lasermics > > Detection of Gps receivers > Possible. Probably not practical, especially if the receiver is in > a metal box. Agree allthough there maybe some radation over antenna cables or power supply cables > How many microprocessors do you think are in a modern automobile? If you remove the main cable to the battery all microprocessors will be off (unless backupped ofcourse wich in practice would be only alarmsystems maybe) ,self generated signals would be known > If you get close enough to sniff a pipsqueek oscillator, you'd be > close enough to see the thing physically I expect. You're talking > a very weak signal, with the SMD leads being an inefficient > antenna, I personally have detected pagers from 100 meters distance the interesting thing there was that the received LO was slightly modulated with the actual data being received by the pager !! This trick would allow you to actually receive the contents of messages being send to a closeby pager...such a message will also contain the RIC code of that pager...meaning that once the RIC code has been intercepted you won't have to stay close to that pager, you could go home and monitor the pager there using widely available pocsag software or a "cloned" pager (thie effect is probably caused by the fact that the LO gets slightly pulled off frequency in the same rythm as what is being received...pagers are very basic receivers and the data send is many times not a fsk signal modulated onto a fm carrier...but the carrier itself is switched (keyed) in the rythm of the data. antennas in pagers are very minimal but since the LO is not that far away from the antenna(not physical and not electronical)it might get reradiated. > Certainly it could be done by experienced people knowing precisely > what they were looking for, using the proper equipment, and having > a > blank check. But what is possible is very different from what is > practical. A physical search would be much more practical. I was actually thinking of a system that would be built in car so the cars owner would be warned of such a gps-tracking device so you wo'nt need to do a physical inspection all the time,or a small portable and simple to use device I agree that a physical inspection would be a good way since such a gps device could not just be placed anywhere..because it will always at least have to "see" a part of the sky...allthough a new correlation technique now makes it possible to even get correct readings with the intenna inside a closed trunk !!! This technique is now being implemented in cellphones there location is now known even when the phones are inside 20 floor high buildings !! i am shure it is now coming to cartrackers too I nice video demo you will find below where a gps receiver is actually put inside a microwave oven wich in turn is inside a building...later on there is a demo showing a gps receiver inside a car's trunk....in both cases it still finds it's position. http://www.globallocate.com/demos_main.shtml# If "they" are using this new technique in a cartracker this means it could be anywhere...then your job to find it might mean that you will have to dismantle the car completely ! Somebody knowledgeable did some research on how many different frequencies (LO and uP)are being used in various brands of gps receivers and he said they were allmost all the same i was amazed ...and he said that was because they all used the same kind of frontend tuned to the same frequency and using the same LO i will verify that by looking up some specs > Keep thinking though. That's a good thing. And keep asking > questions. > You don't learn by talking nearly as much as you learn by > listening. > I commend you on your open and inquisitive mind. Thanks for the compliments and your appriciated answers i am happy to get some good respons ! Tetrascanner www.tetrascanner.com . 8257 From: contranl Date: Wed Feb 18, 2004 0:38pm Subject: Re: Screening your house . This message was posted and accepted too...but it did not appear and also came back to me trough the mail so here it is again....sorry for the confusion...do'nt know how to solve that or what causes this) .................................................................... Thanks for your reply, Here in your Europe there are currently much more networks based on TDMA techniques(comparable with PCM) then in the USA Some of these are GSM and TETRA. The type of modulation is certainly of influence on the (unwanted) effects to health (in fact it is the main point) and radiofrequency interference (RFI) ...it's the pulsing that causes the problems and more specific the waveform...specially the risetime..the shorter risetime or the more the more rfi and the more unwanted detection takes place. The order of modulation types that cause unwanted RFI is something like this (min) WFM..NFM..........AM...SSB..................TDMA (max) TDMA is a modulation type where the carrier is (hard) switched on and off The rf carrier frequency itself is off less importance allthough the 380~400 mhz band has a ideal wavelength for penetrating human made structures (wavelength = about 80 cm) Remark: the max power might be 10 watts.(per channel)..but do'nt forget that in most cases there is not 1 rf carrier but 3 or 5 (in my country)one antenna can have that many carriers ...so the total fieldstrength would be higher (not shure about how to add that up since they do'nt have the same frequencies and contents) I have read about 25 reports on this ...you may find some of them on my website here: http://www.tetrascanner.com/gsm-tetra-detector.html With "human frequencies" i mean those frequencies that are in the same range as the frequencies that the human bodies uses or generates to regulate it's functions Those frequencies are exactly the ones that are being measured using medical equipment in hospitals ..since the Tetra equipment (specially the mobile handhelds) pulse exactly in this range (17 hz) they may cause problems like unwanted detection (AM components) and this could lead to the malfunction of such equipment...screening and filtering inputs does help...but is a little difficult because the wanted frequencies are in the same range as the unwanted...i am not talking about "beta" , "Alfa" or any other "occult" type of waves just plane and well known electrical signals The health problem is still in research by various respectable laboratories their reports do not all point in the same direction..at least they don't all conclude that the Tetra system is 100% safe ...specially the long term effects are not known...the general public is not convinced. In the USA there might be less problems since most systems use CDMA modulation (APCO and Cellphone) CDMA does no pulse since it is a digital signal modulated on a steady NFM-carrier it does not cause strong RFI. Here is the latest Tetra-mast removal (yesterday): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/3473207.stm Thanks Tetrascanner www.tetrascanner.com . 8258 From: contranl Date: Wed Feb 18, 2004 0:47pm Subject: Re: Screening your house . The last one that also came back as not delivered ................................................. It's the correct link to the article that started this thread: www.iwcp.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=1252&ArticleID=739918 copy and paste that in your browser...if that does'nt work put http:// in front of that. Specially the picture is interesting showing a older and very tired couple screening there windows...typically what you would expect. Tetrascanner . 8259 From: Shawn Hughes Date: Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:40am Subject: Re:the ENTIRE Digest Number 1494 Contranl, Couple of things..... 1) Instead of flooding my mailbox with all these bounced posts, couldn't you have simply emailed jma about your situation? 2) Since Steve Uhrig is too modest to really introduce himself, allow me. He is one of the best and brightest we have on this list. Saying that, unlike many 'personalities' in this business, he really, really does take time to help and guide newbies. 3) You are taking advantage of Steve with these questions you ask. You are mistaking genuine interest in your posts for people gently helping you, but trying to get you to read the archives, where you'll find LASER mikes and GPS have been beaten to death. (PS, many phones don't use GPS. GPRS and GPS aren't the same). 4) Then, after these guys take a sec to try to point out what the rest of us know, you respond with: "I am not shure on that...since i made one my self 10 or more years ago." So? So did many, many other children in the US for science fairs. Steve makes real gear for real people FOR A LIVING. This isn't his hobby; it's his livelihood. Do you REALLY think there's a technology that's completely escaped his attention? Not saying he is infallable, but, if he says it, he's putting his rep on the line behind his statement, so I tend to listen. 5) You state " SU - However, environmental noises are much greater intensity than the human voice, YOU-true but since then DSP-filtering,Phasearray,Correlation and other techniques have come around." This gives me a good approximation where you are in your study of this field. Also, one can learn a lot about you by looking at your webpage. In closing, welcome to the board, but please give some consideration to what I had to also learn. Regards, -Shawn Shawn Hughes Lead Instructor, Tactical Response, Inc. USA 8260 From: Date: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:55am Subject: U.S. to Keep Key Data On Infrastructure Secret 02/19/04 Washington Post U.S. to Keep Key Data On Infrastructure Secret Firms Encouraged to Report Security Gaps By John Mintz Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, February 19, 2004; Page A21 Starting tomorrow, chemical companies, railroads, electric utilities and other parts of the nation's critical infrastructure can begin submitting sensitive information to the Department of Homeland Security about their vulnerabilities to terrorist attacks with assurances that their proprietary data would be safe from public disclosure. Under the Homeland Security Act of 2002, the department can deem data voluntarily provided by businesses that help the government stave off possible disruptions by terrorists as secret and unavailable to outsiders. The law's supporters view it as a way for U.S. officials to help map security plans for critical U.S. infrastructure, 85 percent of which is in private hands. But some advocates for environmental protection and open-records laws say unscrupulous firms might manipulate the rules as part of an attempt to evade federal enforcement of health or safety rules. Sean Moulton, a senior policy analyst with OMB Watch, a nonprofit group that opposes government secrecy, said that during the drafting of the law and the rules being released this week, key industries successfully lobbied for procedures ensuring that any information they share with Homeland Security would remain secret and would not be usable by other agencies in civil enforcement actions. "The government agreed that 'we'll keep secret this information you give to Homeland Security, and we won't do anything with it,' " other than for counterterrorist purposes, Moulton said. "It's naive to think we won't have bad actors in industry" misusing the protections, he said. Federal officials said they will strive to prevent the rules from allowing firms to avoid accountability for wrongdoing by including data about, for example, pollution at a chemical plant in a confidential report to the Homeland Security Department about security gaps. Robert Liscouski, the department's chief of infrastructure protection, said his staff will strive to ensure that the law is "not providing a safe haven" for corporate wrongdoers. Companies can be charged with felonies if they mislead the department into believing that the information they provide is not related to any enforcement matters being considered by other agencies, officials said. U.S. officials have no power under the Homeland Security Act to compel industries to provide data about their security gaps, so any corporate cooperation would be voluntary. Safeguarding nuclear plants, telecommunications nodes and thousands of other critical networks was one of the main reasons for the formation of the Homeland Security Department last year. It is an arena in which it is critical that U.S. officials synchronize their efforts with private industry, officials said. U.S. officials found soon after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that many industries were reluctant to share information about their operations and their security vulnerabilities because of fears of legal liability and concern that the information would be unearthed by outsiders using the federal Freedom of Information Act. "These industries weren't comfortable giving sensitive information" to the federal government, said Jamie Conrad, a lawyer who specializes in security issues for the American Chemistry Council, which represents large chemical companies. "There wasn't a high degree of confidence the Department of Homeland Security could keep it confidential." The industries' reluctance stifled progress in tightening security at many sites, officials said. That was what prompted Congress to extend secrecy guarantees to voluntary corporate declarations. Liscouski said yesterday that while some infrastructure industries are eager to discuss security issues with the government, others are dragging their feet for fear of prompting later government requirements that they spend money to protect their networks. The motivation of companies giving the information to his department, Liscouski said, is "doing public good in protecting the country." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 8261 From: A Grudko Date: Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:10pm Subject: Re: To the moderator of this group >-Original Message- > >From: contranl <> >I see that one of the messages posted by my a few days ago (i guess >i sent them on subday)has not shown up,..... >I do agree with somekind of moderation however...allthough i do'nt >allways understand your criteria,specially the current gsm-jammer >issue is not really very professional,i do understand your sometimes >difficult position. Although this message was addressed to the moderator I'd like to point out that this message certainly did get posted to the group and I would have replied to the Audiotel question if I had had time and as I am a fan of thier equipment but have not used the particular unit he was enquiring about. Pointing out that offering certain equipment for sale is illegal in certain areas seems very professional to me. If JMA erred it was perhaps by ommission, by not including 'in the USA' but this is a common oversight by American contributors to Internet groups. Andy Grudko (British), DPM, Grad IS (South Africa) Consulting Investigator, Est. 1981. PSIRA reg. No. 8642 www.grudko.com , andy@g... Pretoria (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) Sandton (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) Johannesburg (+27 11) 781 7206 - 781 7207(Fax) Cellular (+27) 82 778 6355 - ICQ 146498943 SACI(Pres) SASA, IPA, WAD, CALI, UKPIN, IWWA. "When you need it done right - first time" 8262 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 0:50pm Subject: Yahoo privacy problems Yahoo is using 'Web Beacons' to track Yahoo Group users around the net and see what they're doing and where they are going - much like cookies. Yahoo's Privacy Statement has been updated: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html In the section 'Outside the Yahoo! Network' (3rd bullet down), you'll see a little 'click here' link that will let you opt-out of their new method of snooping. I strongly recommend you do this. Once you have clicked that link, you are opted out. Notice the 'Success' message the top the next page after you opt-out. Be careful because on that page there is a 'Cancel Opt-out' button that, if clicked, will *undo* the opt-out. Very misleading if you don't read before clicking (or not clicking) This situation affects everyone reading this message. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 8263 From: Ocean Group Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:48pm Subject: Brilliant Minds... Alright folks! With all this faffin' about I thought I would try and get all these brilliant minds on the list to stop messin' and see if they could use their technical greatness to other ends... I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to best detect the new Ultra Wide Band transmitters coming onto the market at the moment. The tx's are already available on the hardware developers market and I can see them being quickly incorporated into exisiting audio/video hardware. From what I gather the UWB allocated frequencies are at 2.5ghz and 5.8ghz and will probably operate at a centered frequency band of about 1500Mhz per channel.... With the bandwidth of UWB being so high it makes it ideal for high res video, and since UWB does not show up above the noise floor of most standard RF receivers I'd interested to hear if anyone has any ideas on what type of equipment to use or better yet how to adapt standard equipment to at least give some sort of indication of a UWB tx. I look forward to hearing any input... Oisin 8264 From: cismic Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:16pm Subject: Re: Yahoo privacy problems Hi Steve, This technology has been around a long time. It used to be called spy-bots. When you setup a web page most servers will log and acknowledge that you have visited a web page. ie, *.gif, *.jpg, *.html, *.asp, *.php etc are some of the common extentions that appear when you visit a web page in that web servers log. So, now, when an email is created that has a link back to some web page via a graphic in an html email. http://www.somesite.com/emailopendpixel.gif then that will show up in the web log that the email was either read or opened. I don't like all the pretty email anyway. I mean formated html in email can allow virsuses to enter your system because it is just html like visiting a web page and scripting can be ran from email. I read all email as text that way the graphics or "web beacons", won't appear in any log of sites whose email I decide to read. I also completely clear out all cache every day. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Uhrig" To: Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: [TSCM-L] Yahoo privacy problems Yahoo is using 'Web Beacons' to track Yahoo Group users around the net and see what they're doing and where they are going - much like cookies. Yahoo's Privacy Statement has been updated: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html In the section 'Outside the Yahoo! Network' (3rd bullet down), you'll see a little 'click here' link that will let you opt-out of their new method of snooping. I strongly recommend you do this. Once you have clicked that link, you are opted out. Notice the 'Success' message the top the next page after you opt-out. Be careful because on that page there is a 'Cancel Opt-out' button that, if clicked, will *undo* the opt-out. Very misleading if you don't read before clicking (or not clicking) This situation affects everyone reading this message. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Yahoo! 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