From: Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:14am Subject: Re: ISDN Polytel System Hi Robert, Interesting question. Let me start with a big disclaimer. I am familiar with Polycom and PictureTel video teleconferencing equipment, but have not heard of PolyTel. Also, I was not able to understand what you meant here... > The original patch from the vertical system to the horizontal cabling was intact with the secondary loops punched over top of the original patch, (not allowed on a BIX setup). > Given all that, and the fact that 3-ISDN line systems are similar, here is a guess... Ask the client if this is a new installation, or if they have upgraded from an older system. Here's why... Older systems had their ISDN terminal adapters (TA) separate from the video teleconferencing equipment. The TAs were usually stored in the telephone closets. In the latest generation of teleconferencing equipment TAs are incorporated into the equipment. What you came across might be remnants of a previous generation hook-up. If the client never had a previous system, we're back to square one. Please let me know what you find out. Thank you, Kevin -- Kevin D. Murray - CPP, CFE, BCFE [Murray Associates] Counterespionage Consultants to Business & Government Eavesdropping Detection Specialists www.spybusters.com Robert Dyk wrote: > While out this evening I discovered a bridge tap set up on a PolyTel video > conferencing system. The bridge was built out in a telephone closet from > the 3 ISDN lines that were connected to the video conferencing system. The > bridges were terminated on a BIX RJ11 adapter block with three phone cords > (one per line) still connected. No other hardware was present. The > original patch from the vertical system to the horizontal cabling was intact > with the secondary loops punched over top of the original patch, (not > allowed on a BIX setup). I can only think of illegitimate reasons to do > this. Is anyone on the list familiar with the Polytel and or what is > required to compromise the video conference on this triple bonded ISDN > setup. > > Thanks in advance for any input. > > Robert Dyk > dyk@c... 4834 From: Hawkspirit Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:28am Subject: win what where What is the best procedure to locate this software in a suspect computer? Roger http://www.winwhatwhere.com/w3i4/index.htm New Software Alarms Privacy Advocates Posted - February 17, 2002 7:08pm www.katv.com Seattle, Wash. (AP) - Right now, your boss, your spouse or the government could secretly be reading all your typed words - even the ones you deleted - while surreptitiously snapping your picture. Sound alarming? The man who makes it possible is the first to agree. "It's horrifying!" said Richard Eaton, who develops, markets and even answers the technical help line for WinWhatWhere Corp. software. "I'm Mr. Guard-My-Privacy, so it's kind of ironic," said Eaton, a lanky 48-year-old with a diamond stud earring. "Every time I add a feature into it, usually it's something that I've fought for a long time." His qualms haven't stopped him from selling the product, though - more than 200,000 copies of it, to everyone from suspicious spouses to the FBI. And Eaton is building ever-more-detailed monitoring tricks into his Investigator software. The latest version, released this month, can snap pictures from a WebCam, save screen shots and read keystrokes in multiple languages. Investigator already can read every e-mail, instant message and document you send and receive, even if you delete - or never even saved - what you typed. The $99 downloadable program runs "hidden in plain sight." It changes names every so often, and files containing the information it gathers are given arbitrary old dates to make them difficult to find. The monitor can choose to have a user's every move sent to an e-mail address, or the program can be instructed to look for keywords like "boss," "pornography" or "terrorist" and only send records when it finds those prompts. Software like Investigator was virtually unknown two years ago. Now it's become a lucrative niche market, attracting plenty of competitors and at least one product that aims to track down the snooping software itself. Federal investigators in Seattle used Investigator to snag suspected Russian computer hackers, one of whom was recently convicted on 20 counts including conspiracy, various computer crimes and fraud. Another, similar product was used in the FBI's investigation of alleged mobster Nicodemo Scarfo Jr. A Maywood, N.J., security firm called Corporate Defense Strategies used Investigator at an import/export firm to snare two employees who were selling company merchandise and pocketing the cash. CDS President Jeff Prusan has since used it to help clients catch employees who send out resumes, download pornography or spend their shifts playing games. "It's unfortunate that it has come to this, but I've always believed that it's better to know what's going on than not," Prusan said. Miki Compson, a computer consultant and mother of four in Severn, Md., used Investigator to track computer correspondence from a suspicious person who she said ended up stalking her daughter. She's recommended it to other parents whose kids were corresponding with adults and defends the practice as a safety measure. Eaton says he wouldn't likely use it on his own two children - "I'd talk to them!" - but he also doesn't feel comfortable telling people what to do with his invention. And although he hates to hear tales of deception in the fast-growing market of spouse tracking online, he wouldn't tell people not to do it. "I'm selling a hammer," he said. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." If someone calls with proof the software is being used nefariously, Eaton said he'll show the person how to remove it. Ari Schwartz, associate director for the Center for Democracy and Technology, said there are legitimate uses for the product, such as catching employees engaging in fraud or child pornography. But Schwartz recommends that employers inform their staffs if monitoring for certain activities is occurring. He also urges spouses and parents to think about the repercussions before using such software at home. "If your relationship is at the point where you feel that you need to spy on your spouse, is this the best way to repair your relationship or perhaps (should) you be going to therapy?" he said. In most cases, Schwartz said, snooping software is not illegal. But "we think morally there are some very large issues with (employers) tracking the personal habits of their employees." A self-taught programmer who says he barely graduated from high school, Eaton stumbled on the idea for Investigator when he wrote a tracker program to help him find and repair software bugs. He started selling it as a snooper product around 1997. Eaton still runs the company much like he did five years ago - from his home in the eastern Washington town of Kennewick. His wife handles the bookkeeping while he burns the CDs, answers the help line and runs the Web site. Occasionally, Eaton also checks his own Investigator logs - and is always disturbed by the amount of time he spends online. "When I look at my logs during the day, I think I need to fire myself," he said. 4835 From: David Alexander Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:48am Subject: re: British marines 'invade' Spain >"There is much embarrassment, the error is regretted and lessons have been >learned. They were informed of their error by local policemen and spent >only about five minutes on the beach." > >He added: "We were not trying to take Spain and have no plans to do so." 1. Disclaimer: That's not to say we couldn't if we wanted to 2. Have you any idea how much beer that will cost those marines ? ______________________________ David Alexander M.INSTIS Global Infrastructure Director Bookham Technology plc Tel: +44 (0) 1327 356264 Mobile: +44 (0) 7799 881284 Fax: +44 (0) 1327 356775 http://www.bookham.com ======================================================================= This e-mail is intended for the person it is addressed to only. The information contained in it may be confidential and/or protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you must not make any use of this information, or copy or show it to any person. Please contact us immediately to tell us that you have received this e-mail, and return the original to us. 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John Dvorak reviewed it in PC Magazine last month, and HE found 26 hidden nasty programs on his machine using Ad-Aware AFTER he had tried several commercially available packages he had purchased for review. It WILL detect keystroke loggers. The thing also is like a virus detection package in that the authors update it regularly as new threats are discovered. And it is shareware, so free to try. NOT free to use indefinitely. Highly recommended. And don't forget something like Zone Alarm firewall if you have DSL, cable modem or otherwise always connected. Even dial up users need a firewall. If you use ICS you need the paid professional version, otherwise the free Zone Alarm is OK. Any search engine, and practically zero learning curve. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 4837 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:28am Subject: Re: win what where Simple, Perform an audit to identify all processes running (or potentially running) on the machine, Then run Norton Disk Doctor to find (but not repair) file fragments, Then screen the system software for any kind of executable code that can not be accounted for. You can also use a number of freeware packages that target and ferret out the executables, and in some cases good virus detection software will flag it as a Trojan. If you are on your toes you can simply look for the cache file that this software creates and just search for the invisible or hidden files by name. The only wrinkle is that the mere possession of this software is a federal felony as the Justice Department considers it a violation of Title 18. It would not at all surprise me to hear (after a few months) that DOJ rolled up a few hundred PI's who used the SW in a nation wide sting operation. [cough-cough] -jma At 8:28 AM -0800 2/19/02, Hawkspirit wrote: >What is the best procedure to locate this software in a suspect >computer? Roger > >http://www.winwhatwhere.com/w3i4/index.htm > >New Software Alarms Privacy Advocates >Posted - February 17, 2002 7:08pm >www.katv.com > >Seattle, Wash. (AP) - Right now, your boss, your spouse or the government >could secretly be reading all your typed words - even the ones you deleted >- while surreptitiously snapping your picture. > >Sound alarming? The man who makes it possible is the first to agree. > >"It's horrifying!" said Richard Eaton, who develops, markets and even >answers the technical help line for WinWhatWhere Corp. software. > >"I'm Mr. Guard-My-Privacy, so it's kind of ironic," said Eaton, a lanky >48-year-old with a diamond stud earring. "Every time I add a feature into >it, usually it's something that I've fought for a long time." > >His qualms haven't stopped him from selling the product, though - more than >200,000 copies of it, to everyone from suspicious spouses to the FBI. > >And Eaton is building ever-more-detailed monitoring tricks into his >Investigator software. The latest version, released this month, can snap >pictures from a WebCam, save screen shots and read keystrokes in multiple >languages. > >Investigator already can read every e-mail, instant message and document >you send and receive, even if you delete - or never even saved - what you >typed. > >The $99 downloadable program runs "hidden in plain sight." It changes names >every so often, and files containing the information it gathers are given >arbitrary old dates to make them difficult to find. > >The monitor can choose to have a user's every move sent to an e-mail >address, or the program can be instructed to look for keywords like "boss," >"pornography" or "terrorist" and only send records when it finds those >prompts. > >Software like Investigator was virtually unknown two years ago. Now it's >become a lucrative niche market, attracting plenty of competitors and at >least one product that aims to track down the snooping software itself. > >Federal investigators in Seattle used Investigator to snag suspected >Russian computer hackers, one of whom was recently convicted on 20 counts >including conspiracy, various computer crimes and fraud. > >Another, similar product was used in the FBI's investigation of alleged >mobster Nicodemo Scarfo Jr. > >A Maywood, N.J., security firm called Corporate Defense Strategies used >Investigator at an import/export firm to snare two employees who were >selling company merchandise and pocketing the cash. > >CDS President Jeff Prusan has since used it to help clients catch employees >who send out resumes, download pornography or spend their shifts playing >games. > >"It's unfortunate that it has come to this, but I've always believed that >it's better to know what's going on than not," Prusan said. > >Miki Compson, a computer consultant and mother of four in Severn, Md., used >Investigator to track computer correspondence from a suspicious person who >she said ended up stalking her daughter. > >She's recommended it to other parents whose kids were corresponding with >adults and defends the practice as a safety measure. > >Eaton says he wouldn't likely use it on his own two children - "I'd talk to >them!" - but he also doesn't feel comfortable telling people what to do >with his invention. > >And although he hates to hear tales of deception in the fast-growing market >of spouse tracking online, he wouldn't tell people not to do it. > >"I'm selling a hammer," he said. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." > >If someone calls with proof the software is being used nefariously, Eaton >said he'll show the person how to remove it. > >Ari Schwartz, associate director for the Center for Democracy and >Technology, said there are legitimate uses for the product, such as >catching employees engaging in fraud or child pornography. > >But Schwartz recommends that employers inform their staffs if monitoring >for certain activities is occurring. He also urges spouses and parents to >think about the repercussions before using such software at home. > >"If your relationship is at the point where you feel that you need to spy >on your spouse, is this the best way to repair your relationship or perhaps >(should) you be going to therapy?" he said. > >In most cases, Schwartz said, snooping software is not illegal. But "we >think morally there are some very large issues with (employers) tracking >the personal habits of their employees." > >A self-taught programmer who says he barely graduated from high school, >Eaton stumbled on the idea for Investigator when he wrote a tracker program >to help him find and repair software bugs. > >He started selling it as a snooper product around 1997. > >Eaton still runs the company much like he did five years ago - from his >home in the eastern Washington town of Kennewick. His wife handles the >bookkeeping while he burns the CDs, answers the help line and runs the Web >site. > >Occasionally, Eaton also checks his own Investigator logs - and is always >disturbed by the amount of time he spends online. > >"When I look at my logs during the day, I think I need to fire myself," he >said. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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A.Lizard Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:03:16 -0600 From: Ben Masel Subject: (Wisconsin) AB 435 Tampering with a security device or surveillance device and providing penalties Assembly Criminal Justice Commitee hearing Wed 1 PM Room 417 N State Capitol Analysis from Legislative Reference Bureau "Current law provides various penalties for damaging or misappropriating the property of another. This bill prohibits a person from tampering with a security device or surveillance device that is owned by another by disconnecting, altering, dismantling, damaging, covering up, removing, or destroying the device without the consent of the owner and with the intent either to cause the device to become inoperative or to interfere with or circumvent the operation of the device. A person who violates the prohibition created in the bill may be fined not more than $500 or imprisoned for not more than 30 days or both, except that a person may be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned for not more than five years or both if the person violates the prohibition with the intent to make it less likely that another felony will be detected or that a person who commits another felony will be identified with the felony. The bill also provides that a person charged with violating the prohibition created in the bill has a defense to the charge if he or she tampered with a surveillance device that is installed or used with the intent to observe any nude or partially nude person without the consent of the person observed." _____________________________________ Full text: http://folio.legis.state.wi.us/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=88503&infobase=billhist.nfo&j1=AB435&jump=AB435 So it would seem there is no Defence if the surveillance device is installed for any other illegal purpose. Are these guys as dumb as they look? Criminal Justice Committee members: Representatives Suder, chairperson, Gundrum, vice chairperson, Bies, J. Fitzgerald, Jeskewitz, F. Lasee, Loeffelholz, Owens, Staskunas, Wood, Young, Colón, Sherman, and Boyle. ________________________________________ ben I am not currently Licensed to Practice in this State. ________________________________________ X-Sender: declan@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:13:45 -0500 To: politech@p... From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: John Gilmore and others on Wisconsin's proposed pro-spycam law Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-politech@p... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: declan@w... X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ X-Author: Declan McCullagh is at http://www.mccullagh.org/ X-News-Site: Cluebot is at http://www.cluebot.com/ Status: Previous Politech message: "Wisconsin may ban disabling spycams -- except for hidden sexcams" http://www.politechbot.com/p-03154.html --- To: mann@e..., declan@w..., gnu@t... Subject: FC: Wisconsin may ban disabling spycams Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:48:02 -0800 From: John Gilmore Why do they want to pass the new law? Because current law only makes it a crime to *damage* or *misappropriate* a camera. If you merely put a piece of cardboard in front of it, or some duct tape over it, or unplug it, that isn't a crime today. But tomorrow it could get you five years in prison. SHEEP, WAKE UP! The police state is coming; it's already here if you act like the cops have all the rights and you have none. Like all of you people being herded into the pens at all the airports, with nary a bleat. The only real security is in the grave -- and the totalitarian control that the Bush team is hastily assembling, while you are silent, will assist your entry into that blissful state. The only useful part about this proposed law is that it should protect citizens who are using cameras to record the illegal activities of law enforcement officials. Any cop who seizes, breaks, or disables a protester's camera would go to prison for five years -- assuming that any DA would indict any cop for everyday activities, which is a hollow fantasy 99.9% of the time. If you publish this, the cops will make sure to write an exception into the law for themselves anyway. Note that the "intent" of the camera is what matters; if they put it into a bathroom "for security" then disabling it is a crime, while if they put it into a bathroom "to ogle you" then disabling it is legal (after they arrest you and try you for it). The 9/11 attack has certainly brought out all the scum of the earth, with their "put US in control of YOU" schemes to improve the world. you would think that while fighting against the Taliban's tight control of its populace, we wouldn't be imposing similar controls on our own population. But the irony seems to be lost on the sheeple. John --- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:08:18 -0800 To: declan@w..., Ben Masel From: Bill Stewart Subject: Re: FC: Wisconsin may ban disabling spycams and audio bugs -- except for hidden sexcams Cc: politech@p... Declan - the best reason for a new law here is to not only ban *damaging* spycams, audio bugs, location trackers, etc., which they say is already banned, but to also ban *disabling* them or otherwise tampering with legitimately installed surveillance devices, and also to create a large penalty for disabling them with intent to not evade being identified or caught when committing future felonies. But it has more serious problems than that. Ben - We know you're a man with nothing to hide [...quasi-insider reference:-)...] I'm also not a lawyer, but I have played a politician on TV. The proposed law is written in classic "Amend State Code section 324-21384 by adding the following words after paragraph 3" style, and the web links don't make it easy to follow, but a couple of things jump out: 1 - The language is overbroad (though the law isn't as broad as the summary.) It not only covers physical devices (the clear intent), but also software, e.g. surveillance applications on computers, whether installed by the user, another owner, malware such as viruses, and possibly even the FBI keyloggers recently used against the Mafia. And it appears to change the balance of laws restricting and supporting use of surveillance cameras and audio surveillance, with very little examination of the impacts, beyond the obvious exemption for disabling voyeur cameras. 2 - It may be worth looking up s. 942.08 (2), to see if that's just an anti-peeping-tom law (the legislative analysis about looking at nude people), or if it's about something more general like use of surveillance cameras. And just because that's the only exemption to the proposed law referenced in the legislative analysis, that doesn't mean it's your only defense - it means that's a nearly-guaranteed defense, but otherwise you may need to argue a case in court, with whatever legal representation you can afford, to convince a judge or jury that your action was reasonable, and you may be unsuccessful. 3 - The proposal doesn't say *anything* about the owner of the property where the camera or audio or other bug is *located* - just the owner of the bug. The probable goal of the law is to cover spycams and bugs that people plant on their own property or in businesses for which they work (e.g. low-level manager planting spycams to look at his underlings), but that's not the only case. *** If somebody plants a spycam or audio bug in *your* house or car, this bill appears to forbid you to disable it because you don't own it. That probably wasn't the intent of the law, but it's the effect, even though it's clearly unreasonable. That includes bugs planted by criminals other than peeping toms, such as burglars who want to know when you're not home, wiretaps on your phones, whether planted by criminals, police with warrants, police operating illegally without warrants, obsessive ex- boyfriends, or detectives hired by your suspicious not-yet-ex-spouse (if the bug belongs to the detective, not the spouse), peeping toms who only want to *listen* to you have sex (because they can see in your back window without a camera), nosy neighbors, your kids' friends, stalkers, and so on. 4 - There are a whole variety of workplace environment issues that this law impinges on that may be affected by other law, but which this proposed law doesn't address or coordinate with. For instance, an employer trying to prevent employee theft usually has a legitimate reason to install spycams at work, as well as obvious cameras to deter non-employee robbers and burglars, but there may be federal or state regulations limiting an employer's right to use spycams or audio bugs for other reasons, and installation of spycams and audio bugs by low-level managers without the authorization from the business's owner or corporate officers may have legal restrictions. In unionized businesses, there are almost certainly union contract issues, and even non-union businesses can be covered by specific workplace privacy laws and expectations of privacy. This proposed law ignores all of thee issues. 5 - Employer/employee privacy issues extend beyond the workplace, and some employers have in the past attempted to control or discover employee behavior outside their offices. While standard surveillance cameras aren't usually relevant, and traditional audio bugs aren't often used in employees' cars or briefcases, the cost and size have reduced substantially as technology has advanced, and for employees who carry laptops home or use desktop home computers to work from home, audio surveillance is just another software application, like a word processor or voice dictation software. If your employer installs bugging software on your laptop, it appears that this law forbids you to uninstall it or even to turn off the microphone when you're not at the office. And many new laptops come with video cameras built in. Video cameras on computers are becoming common and cheap - a $29 camera is good enough for simple videoconferences, so businesses are often buying them for office use, instead of or in addition to better cameras that cost thousands of dollars, and employees who work from home often have them for personal use as well as occasional work use. Just as microphones on laptops can be audio bugs, depending on software, a camera on a PC can be a surveillance camera depending on who turns it on. If you shut down your computer at night, is that a misdemeanor? *** 6 - This proposed law also forbids disabling bugs or spycams when you don't know who the owner is. This is especially an issue for bugs and cameras discovered at the workplace - obviously the camera mounted on the wall is official, but was the camera in the light fixture or the audio wiretap software you found on your PC put there by your competitor trying to steal your next chip design, or by an email virus that said it would play a fun game, like that animated Christmas tree that said it was from Melissa, or was your employer trying to find who's leaking the chip design to your competitor? You could ask your boss, and maybe he'd tell you, but maybe the marketing department installed it because they don't trust your boss either. Are you allowed to remove it? How can you tell if that would be illegal? 7 - The proposed law also doesn't include exemptions for government offices - including police stations as well as defense contractors or universities working on sensitive material. While authors such as David Brin ("The Transparent Society") make strong arguments about the need for government activities to be carried out in public to prevent abuses, there are balances that need to be made between an arrestee's need for privacy when talking to his lawyer in a police station and the Internal Affairs department spying on potentially bad cops. 8 - This proposed law doesn't address locations such as hotels or other places that have a strong expectation of privacy. A security camera in a hotel or bank lobby to deter theft isn't a problem - but a camera in the ceiling of a hotel room is, and even though a reasonable person would expect that such a camera was installed by a voyeur and subject to the law's exemptions, it's not clear that it's legal to cover it up without proof. In most cases, someone who covered up such a camera wouldn't be charged, but if police are investigating potential prostitution at a hotel, someone who covered up a camera might be charged with violating this proposed law even though such actions were perfectly reasonable. The proposed law may seem reasonable on its face, but it needs a lot of work before it's something that's ready for a legislature to adopt. Bill Stewart, San Francisco, CA. --- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:44:56 -0500 To: declan@w... From: "J.D. Abolins" Subject: Re: FC: Wisconsin may ban disabling spycams -- except for hidden sexcams Cc: grayson Barber At 10:52 PM 2/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > [Of course if "current law" really does provide > "various penalties for damaging or misappropriating" > someone else's property, why -- except to pad the > resumes of legislators -- do we need *new* laws? > --Declan] Ah, there are people who'll say we need to send the message that surveillance is paramount to security and the new law is needed to get the message out. I'll have to look at the exact text of the law but I already see a big problem with its wording. >"Current law provides various penalties for damaging or misappropriating > the property of another. This bill prohibits a person from tampering > with a security device or surveillance device that is owned by another > by disconnecting, altering, dismantling, damaging, covering up, > removing, or destroying the device without the consent of the owner and > with the intent either to cause the device to become inoperative or to > interfere with or circumvent the operation of the device. "...interfere with or circumvent the operation of the device." leaves a wide opening for surprising results. At first glance, it could look like the interference/circumvention only entails direct action to the spycam and its supporting systems. But if the "operation" of the device is interpreted to mean the successful capture of the intended "imagescape" then indirect acts could be covered. If, for example, a person wears a mask, puts up a blocking screen, or --if the spycam looks into your home-- closing the curtains. it would interfere/circumvent the operation of the spycam in this interpretation. (Somewhere in between would be the "blinding of some types of cameras by shining bright lights at it. Shine that MAG Light at a spycam, get fined or go to jail.) Sounds far fetched that any court or government body would hold such an interpretation? Several year ago, the Wall Street Journal gave an example of interference/circumvention interpretations in regards to the Endangered Species Act. An inventor developed a coyote repellent sheep dip. Looked like a great help for ranchers and, by lessening an incentive for wiping out the beasties, for the coyotes. The USEPA determined that the coyote repellent violated the ESA. How? It interferes with predatory behavior of animals. One of the interesting things in the exclusions for the spycam protection law is an apparent lack of consideration for the scope of view of the camera. The assumptions seems to be that the cams view the premises associated with the spycam's use. But some cams can view more than those premises. A parking lot cam might pick up other properties. If the spycam's owners have property protection for the cam, the other property owners have the option of circumventing the gaze of the spycam into their properties. (This could be interesting if the law results in the abrogation of other property owners rights in the name of protecting surveillence as a principle.) J.D. Abolins (not an attorney) --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ************************************************************************ new voicemail number,ask if you need it. 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One sure way to detect keystroke loggers is to have a debugger like SoftIce, and set memory traps on windows calls to disk access - basically the debugger will let you know when a particular word you type is put to hard disk by ANY software running. This can trigger false alarms, but if you manage it carefully it can be very powerful. The best way to set this up on a suspect computer is to get the debugger to watch for disk access containing a particular string, which you can then simply type in Notepad - instantly revealing if there is anything funny going on. Cheers, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkspirit" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: [TSCM-L] win what where > What is the best procedure to locate this software in a suspect computer? Roger > > http://www.winwhatwhere.com/w3i4/index.htm > > New Software Alarms Privacy Advocates > Posted - February 17, 2002 7:08pm > www.katv.com > > Seattle, Wash. (AP) - Right now, your boss, your spouse or the government > could secretly be reading all your typed words - even the ones you deleted > - while surreptitiously snapping your picture. > > Sound alarming? The man who makes it possible is the first to agree. > > "It's horrifying!" said Richard Eaton, who develops, markets and even > answers the technical help line for WinWhatWhere Corp. software. > > "I'm Mr. Guard-My-Privacy, so it's kind of ironic," said Eaton, a lanky > 48-year-old with a diamond stud earring. "Every time I add a feature into > it, usually it's something that I've fought for a long time." > > His qualms haven't stopped him from selling the product, though - more than > 200,000 copies of it, to everyone from suspicious spouses to the FBI. > > And Eaton is building ever-more-detailed monitoring tricks into his > Investigator software. The latest version, released this month, can snap > pictures from a WebCam, save screen shots and read keystrokes in multiple > languages. > > Investigator already can read every e-mail, instant message and document > you send and receive, even if you delete - or never even saved - what you > typed. > > The $99 downloadable program runs "hidden in plain sight." It changes names > every so often, and files containing the information it gathers are given > arbitrary old dates to make them difficult to find. > > The monitor can choose to have a user's every move sent to an e-mail > address, or the program can be instructed to look for keywords like "boss," > "pornography" or "terrorist" and only send records when it finds those > prompts. > > Software like Investigator was virtually unknown two years ago. Now it's > become a lucrative niche market, attracting plenty of competitors and at > least one product that aims to track down the snooping software itself. > > Federal investigators in Seattle used Investigator to snag suspected > Russian computer hackers, one of whom was recently convicted on 20 counts > including conspiracy, various computer crimes and fraud. > > Another, similar product was used in the FBI's investigation of alleged > mobster Nicodemo Scarfo Jr. > > A Maywood, N.J., security firm called Corporate Defense Strategies used > Investigator at an import/export firm to snare two employees who were > selling company merchandise and pocketing the cash. > > CDS President Jeff Prusan has since used it to help clients catch employees > who send out resumes, download pornography or spend their shifts playing > games. > > "It's unfortunate that it has come to this, but I've always believed that > it's better to know what's going on than not," Prusan said. > > Miki Compson, a computer consultant and mother of four in Severn, Md., used > Investigator to track computer correspondence from a suspicious person who > she said ended up stalking her daughter. > > She's recommended it to other parents whose kids were corresponding with > adults and defends the practice as a safety measure. > > Eaton says he wouldn't likely use it on his own two children - "I'd talk to > them!" - but he also doesn't feel comfortable telling people what to do > with his invention. > > And although he hates to hear tales of deception in the fast-growing market > of spouse tracking online, he wouldn't tell people not to do it. > > "I'm selling a hammer," he said. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." > > If someone calls with proof the software is being used nefariously, Eaton > said he'll show the person how to remove it. > > Ari Schwartz, associate director for the Center for Democracy and > Technology, said there are legitimate uses for the product, such as > catching employees engaging in fraud or child pornography. > > But Schwartz recommends that employers inform their staffs if monitoring > for certain activities is occurring. He also urges spouses and parents to > think about the repercussions before using such software at home. > > "If your relationship is at the point where you feel that you need to spy > on your spouse, is this the best way to repair your relationship or perhaps > (should) you be going to therapy?" he said. > > In most cases, Schwartz said, snooping software is not illegal. But "we > think morally there are some very large issues with (employers) tracking > the personal habits of their employees." > > A self-taught programmer who says he barely graduated from high school, > Eaton stumbled on the idea for Investigator when he wrote a tracker program > to help him find and repair software bugs. > > He started selling it as a snooper product around 1997. > > Eaton still runs the company much like he did five years ago - from his > home in the eastern Washington town of Kennewick. His wife handles the > bookkeeping while he burns the CDs, answers the help line and runs the Web > site. > > Occasionally, Eaton also checks his own Investigator logs - and is always > disturbed by the amount of time he spends online. > > "When I look at my logs during the day, I think I need to fire myself," he > said. > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 4840 From: Perry Myers Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:39am Subject: RE: Re: win what where I use Ad-Aware 5.62 and it does NOT find the Spector or E-Blaster Products. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Uhrig [mailto:steve@s...] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:32 AM To: tscm-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: win what where Once upon a midnight dreary, Hawkspirit pondered, weak and weary: > What is the best procedure to locate this software in a suspect computer? > New Software Alarms Privacy Advocates Ad-Aware works extremely well according to reports, and I use it personally. Shareware too. www.lavasoftusa.com. I mentioned this on another list, and about fifteen (of the 600+/-) members found something on their machines. John Dvorak reviewed it in PC Magazine last month, and HE found 26 hidden nasty programs on his machine using Ad-Aware AFTER he had tried several commercially available packages he had purchased for review. It WILL detect keystroke loggers. The thing also is like a virus detection package in that the authors update it regularly as new threats are discovered. And it is shareware, so free to try. NOT free to use indefinitely. Highly recommended. And don't forget something like Zone Alarm firewall if you have DSL, cable modem or otherwise always connected. Even dial up users need a firewall. If you use ICS you need the paid professional version, otherwise the free Zone Alarm is OK. Any search engine, and practically zero learning curve. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 4841 From: Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 4:21pm Subject: Humor - Signs You Have BeenDrinking TooMch Cofee! Signs that you've been drinking too much java... Juan Valdez names his donkey after you. You ski uphill. You get a speeding ticket even when you're parked. You have a bumper sticker that says: "Coffee drinkers are good in the sack." You answer the door before people knock. You just completed another sweater and you don't know how to knit. You grind your coffee beans in your mouth. You have to watch videos in fast-forward. You can take a picture of yourself from ten feet away without using the timer. You lick your coffeepot clean. You spend every vacation visiting "Maxwell House." You're the employee of the month at the local coffeehouse and you don't even work there. The nurse needs a scientific calculator to take your pulse. Your T-shirt says, "Decaffeinated coffee is the devil's coffee." You're so jittery that people use your hands to blend their margaritas. You can type sixty words per minute with your feet. You can jump-start your car without cables. Cocaine is a downer. All your kids are named "Joe." Your only source of nutrition comes from "Sweet & Low." You go to AA meetings just for the free coffee. Starbucks owns the mortgage on your house. HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede, a significant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced. : >) 4842 From: Perry Myers Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:37am Subject: RE: win what where I don't know about this particular program but E-Blaster can only be found by one of two ways that I am aware of: 1 - hit the hot keys that were assigned in default to bring up the password screen. If the hot keys were changed as they can easily be, then this will not work. 2 - Start the installation process using a copy of the software. If in the first two or three installation screens, there appears a check box that asks if you wish to remove a previous installation. If this doesn't appear, it is not installed. You can abort the installation at this point. With Spector, it can be discovered as follows: Upon installation of Spector 2.2, if already installed, it will bring you to the password box, which you must enter to gain program access. You can also check to see if Spector is still saved to the default location on the hard drive: windows>systems>ieext. Not sure if these programs work the same way but if they do, locating them may be a similar process. You just need to carry all the different spy softwares in the CM kit. Perry D. Myers, CFE President & CEO E-mail: perry@d... MSI Detective Services Myers Service, Inc. Corporate Headquarters 2076 N. Elston Ave. Suite 200 Chicago, IL. 60614-3940 Phone 773-342-8300 Facsimile 773-486-4430 Professional Investigators Since 1959 Investigations Nationwide 24 Hour Availability www.detectiveservices.com -----Original Message----- From: Hawkspirit [mailto:hawkspirit@e...] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:28 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] win what where What is the best procedure to locate this software in a suspect computer? Roger http://www.winwhatwhere.com/w3i4/index.htm New Software Alarms Privacy Advocates Posted - February 17, 2002 7:08pm www.katv.com Seattle, Wash. (AP) - Right now, your boss, your spouse or the government could secretly be reading all your typed words - even the ones you deleted - while surreptitiously snapping your picture. Sound alarming? The man who makes it possible is the first to agree. "It's horrifying!" said Richard Eaton, who develops, markets and even answers the technical help line for WinWhatWhere Corp. software. "I'm Mr. Guard-My-Privacy, so it's kind of ironic," said Eaton, a lanky 48-year-old with a diamond stud earring. "Every time I add a feature into it, usually it's something that I've fought for a long time." His qualms haven't stopped him from selling the product, though - more than 200,000 copies of it, to everyone from suspicious spouses to the FBI. And Eaton is building ever-more-detailed monitoring tricks into his Investigator software. The latest version, released this month, can snap pictures from a WebCam, save screen shots and read keystrokes in multiple languages. Investigator already can read every e-mail, instant message and document you send and receive, even if you delete - or never even saved - what you typed. The $99 downloadable program runs "hidden in plain sight." It changes names every so often, and files containing the information it gathers are given arbitrary old dates to make them difficult to find. The monitor can choose to have a user's every move sent to an e-mail address, or the program can be instructed to look for keywords like "boss," "pornography" or "terrorist" and only send records when it finds those prompts. Software like Investigator was virtually unknown two years ago. Now it's become a lucrative niche market, attracting plenty of competitors and at least one product that aims to track down the snooping software itself. Federal investigators in Seattle used Investigator to snag suspected Russian computer hackers, one of whom was recently convicted on 20 counts including conspiracy, various computer crimes and fraud. Another, similar product was used in the FBI's investigation of alleged mobster Nicodemo Scarfo Jr. A Maywood, N.J., security firm called Corporate Defense Strategies used Investigator at an import/export firm to snare two employees who were selling company merchandise and pocketing the cash. CDS President Jeff Prusan has since used it to help clients catch employees who send out resumes, download pornography or spend their shifts playing games. "It's unfortunate that it has come to this, but I've always believed that it's better to know what's going on than not," Prusan said. Miki Compson, a computer consultant and mother of four in Severn, Md., used Investigator to track computer correspondence from a suspicious person who she said ended up stalking her daughter. She's recommended it to other parents whose kids were corresponding with adults and defends the practice as a safety measure. Eaton says he wouldn't likely use it on his own two children - "I'd talk to them!" - but he also doesn't feel comfortable telling people what to do with his invention. And although he hates to hear tales of deception in the fast-growing market of spouse tracking online, he wouldn't tell people not to do it. "I'm selling a hammer," he said. "They can beat nails with it, or their dog." If someone calls with proof the software is being used nefariously, Eaton said he'll show the person how to remove it. Ari Schwartz, associate director for the Center for Democracy and Technology, said there are legitimate uses for the product, such as catching employees engaging in fraud or child pornography. But Schwartz recommends that employers inform their staffs if monitoring for certain activities is occurring. He also urges spouses and parents to think about the repercussions before using such software at home. "If your relationship is at the point where you feel that you need to spy on your spouse, is this the best way to repair your relationship or perhaps (should) you be going to therapy?" he said. In most cases, Schwartz said, snooping software is not illegal. But "we think morally there are some very large issues with (employers) tracking the personal habits of their employees." A self-taught programmer who says he barely graduated from high school, Eaton stumbled on the idea for Investigator when he wrote a tracker program to help him find and repair software bugs. He started selling it as a snooper product around 1997. Eaton still runs the company much like he did five years ago - from his home in the eastern Washington town of Kennewick. His wife handles the bookkeeping while he burns the CDs, answers the help line and runs the Web site. Occasionally, Eaton also checks his own Investigator logs - and is always disturbed by the amount of time he spends online. "When I look at my logs during the day, I think I need to fire myself," he said. ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 4843 From: Fernando Martins Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 3:47pm Subject: RE: re: British marines 'invade' Spain I beleive the marines already knew the cost of those beers, since only drunk they can miss what is rock (and a huge as you may know) from what is sand (wich the close they have is in Andaluzia)... Probably they just looked for a soft place to jump, and at the time a rock was not such a place. I have a theory that they were surfing in Tarifa, and didn't came from Gibraltar, but from that beautiful bay ... I saw that amateur movie with them, and the look on their faces was more like "*uck!! this is not the rock yet!!" :> Anyway, as for invaders, I was once inside their base at the top of the rock ... Drunk after visiting the monkeys and nobody did nothing ... Or they just understood well my problem, as I can guees from their last experience LOL FM » -----Original Message----- » From: David Alexander [mailto:david.alexander@b...] » Sent: terça-feira, 19 de Fevereiro de 2002 16:49 » To: 'TSCM submissions' » Subject: [TSCM-L] re: British marines 'invade' Spain » » » >"There is much embarrassment, the error is regretted and » lessons have » >been learned. They were informed of their error by local » policemen and » >spent only about five minutes on the beach." » > » >He added: "We were not trying to take Spain and have no plans to do » >so." » » 1. Disclaimer: That's not to say we couldn't if we wanted to » 2. 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Groups is subject to » http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ » » » 4844 From: tek492p Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 8:00pm Subject: Re: Absolutely outrageous --- In TSCM-L@y..., "Steve Uhrig" wrote: > The security industry has some of the most incredibly ignorant morons > imaginable. > > I am literally speechless. Maybe for the first time in my life. > A concourse was evacuated and > everyone was screened again." > > ******************************************************************* > Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) > Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip > mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com > tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 > "In God we trust, all others we monitor" > ******************************************************************* There is some sort of security breach everyday at some airport somewhere in the United States. Some stories make it to the news media, some do not. As long as we have the same minimum wage employees (making them federal employees does NOT increase their I.Q.) this problem will continue. Jack Lindauer Intertect TSCM services Los Angeles (818) 831-0515 4845 From: Aimee Farr Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:09pm Subject: "Tampering with a security device." > Paging Aimee. . . what does this proposed law *really* mean? > A.Lizard Hm. A question for the courts. Non-legally -- this law would do more damage to security interests than anything they could possibly dream up. Simply "passing a law" is not a solution to people intent on B&E, etc. I'm of the opinion this could be aimed at something else, possibly dissent populations and "surveillance saboteurs," or ..."surveillance subversion" -- whatever the buzzword will be. If so, these people don't understand the nature of political dissent or workforce sabotage. I think it could be better-drafted so as to protect legitimate interests. I would like to know what interest drafted this bill. ~Aimee 4846 From: Aimee Farr Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:59pm Subject: "TSCM SURVIVOR" WHEN: When you least expect it. WHERE: 600 sq. mi. remote island. WHAT: 100 of us, attending a conference on a remote urban island, in a small strip hotel. The island is suddenly invaded by a heretofore unknown enemy. We retreat to the hotel to decide what to do, as the entire island goes dark. Our laptops: struck dumb. Electronics: all fried. SIT: I look at all of you, and scream hysterically, "SAVE ME, PEOPLE!" Urhrig slaps me, not so much to bring me to my senses, but because he's always wanted to. Standing behind me: 100 beautiful, bikini-clad natives, with looks of desperation on their faces, and tears in their doe-like eyes. They would speak, but they're mute. You recognize that your chances of survival are slim, hearing explosions in the distance. And, the truth is, we all lied about where we were going, because the hotel doubles as an exotic retreat in the off-season, and we wanted cheap rates. Suddenly, a handsome, mysterious man (you can't be mysterious and not handsome -- if you are, we call you something else) in a dark suit rises in the back of the hotel bar. He says, "I have a cache of weapons, and a five hideouts in the jungle." Atkinson jumps up, and declares war on the enemy. With his handy bag of tricks, he slithers around to check out the situation. After we drag him back inside, we learn he eyeballed enemy forces...he says, "maybe 15,000." He directs the native women to oil their bodies, so they can pose on the beach as a distraction, allowing us to make our escape into the jungle on foot, following a power utility path that runs the length of the island. We initial plan is to disperse, heading out for the five primitive jungle hideouts. Zig-zag between the five jungle hideouts is about 100 miles, through heavy jungle, crawling with really icky stuff, including one nudist colony of questionable allegiance. What we've got: 1. your BASIC travel kits. 2. typical strip hotel stuff. 3. one small, bare-essentials convenience store. 4. guns and ammunition, if we can get to them. 5. 1 native guide. 6. not much time. Just some of what we don't have: 1. a way to communicate between the 5 jungle hideouts. I run to my room screaming. I'm viewed under the crack of the door tying a bedsheet to a curtain rod, about to wave the flag of surrender, and reveal our location.....unless I hear some good ideas about _what to grab_ and _what to do_! YOU have been elected leader of one of the 5 groups. Your orders? *tick-tock, tick-tock* 4847 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:31pm Subject: Re: "Tampering with a security device." At 10:09 PM -0600 2/19/02, Aimee Farr wrote: > > Paging Aimee. . . what does this proposed law *really* mean? >> A.Lizard > >Hm. A question for the courts. > >Non-legally -- this law would do more damage to security interests than >anything they could possibly dream up. Simply "passing a law" is not a >solution to people intent on B&E, etc. I'm of the opinion this could be >aimed at something else, possibly dissent populations and "surveillance >saboteurs," or ..."surveillance subversion" -- whatever the buzzword will >be. If so, these people don't understand the nature of political dissent or >workforce sabotage. > >I think it could be better-drafted so as to protect legitimate interests. > >I would like to know what interest drafted this bill. > >~Aimee The intention of the statute is to stop shoplifter from tampering with "Inventory Control Tags" and the related support systems. I does not appear to have anything to do with bugs and wiretaps. -jma -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4848 From: William Knowles Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:53am Subject: Re: A new record On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Steve Uhrig wrote: > A new record has been set. > > This week I referred seven people to the following website in lieu of > using my services: > > http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html For the more technically savvy kooks, you should also recommend that if they use M$ for an OS to yank out that hard drive, buy a new hard drive, and install Tinfoil Hat Linux. :) http://tinfoilhat.cultists.net/ - WK *==============================================================* "Communications without intelligence is noise; Intelligence without communications is irrelevant." Gen Alfred. M. Gray, USMC ================================================================ C4I.org - Computer Security, & Intelligence - http://www.c4i.org *==============================================================* 4849 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 2:51am Subject: RE: Re: Absolutely outrageous From http://www.avsec.com Cronology of airport / airline reports from Airwatch page of ASI day/month/year/location/info formatted. This timeline covers less than a month below. Their website goes back to 9/99 listings. 04/10/2001 NEW DELHI An Alliance Air flight landed in New Delhi with both passengers and crew believing the flight had been hijacked. Air traffic control advised the crew that they had received reports that a hijack was in progress. The problem started with a hoax call but was exacerbated by miscommunication. 04/10/2001BLACK SEA A Siberian Airlines Tu-154 en route from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk in Siberia exploded over the Black Sea. At the time this issue of ASI went to print it is believed that all 76 passengers and crew were killed, 51 of whom were Israelis. Whilst there is speculation that this was a terrorist act, most believe that a stray missile fired by the Ukranian military during a training exercise was the actual cause. 29/09/2001PARIS Air France suspended all flights in and out of Paris-Orly airport following anonymous threats. The terminals were evacuated until police established the threat was a hoax 29/09/2001MONTPELLIER The airport was closed following a bomb threat. 27/09/2001LOS ANGELES Shortly after Air Canada flight AC 792 departed for Toronto, Javid Naghani, an Iranian citizen resident in the US, was apprehended smoking in the toilet. The passenger became verbally abusive and uttered an anti-American threat, causing the aircraft to return to Los Angeles under escort by the US Air Force. 27/09/2001MOSCOW According to Russia's Interfax news agency, 9 tons of explosives and 594 detonators were found, in Moscow, on a cargo plane bound for Kazakhstan from Vienna, Austria. The cargo was allegedly sent by Spain's Union Espanol to the Kazakhstan Corporation 26/09/2001SEOUL A passenger sent a friend a joke text message on his mobile phone indicating that he was on a hijacked Japan Airlines flight en route to Seoul from Kansai. The friend, believing the message, contacted the authorities who met the man off the flight in Seoul 25/09/2001NAIROBI A Kenya Airways plane, en route to Dar es Salaam, returned to Nairobi following a telephone bomb threa 22/09/2001LOS ANGELES An American Airlines flight bound for Mexico City was turned back to Los Angeles International Airport after the FBI received a threat 19/09/2001DUBAI A British passenger aboard a Cathay Pacific flight en route to Hong Kong via Kuwait was arrested following a threat he made, when refused additional alcohol based on his intoxicated state, that a bomb was on board the aircraft 17/09/2001GOOSE BAY A Virgin Airlines flight en route from Heathrow to New York diverted to Newfoundland following a bomb threat. 4 Canadian jet fighters escorted the aircraft to Goose Bay, Canada 16/09/2001FRANKFURT A Singapore Airlines flight returned to Frankfurt following the discovery of a note in the toilets warning that a bomb was on board 16/09/2001TORONTO A 21-year-old Australian, Sinan Safett Acar, travelling to Paris on Air France was arrested in Toronto after joking he had a bomb in his suitcase. He was later given a 60 day gaol sentence. 16/09/2001SRI LANKA 20 explosive-laden boats with suicidal Tamil Tiger guerillas on board attacked a ship, carrying 1,200 Sri Lankan soldiers, off the coast in Trincomalee, northeast of Colombo. 6 guerillas were killed and 40 soldiers were wounded 15/09/2001HOUSTON Constantinos Carpis, aged 36, was arrested having told American Airlines ticket agents at Houston that he had a nuclear bomb in his baggage. He was travelling to his home in Australia. 14/09/2001AUCKLAND A 55-year old employee of New Zealand's prison service was arrested as he boarded a flight at Auckland for Palmerston North. He had allegedly joked with a friend about having a bomb in his bag 14/09/2001NEWCASTLE A man was arrested at Teeside International airport, having claimed that he had Semtex explosives in his pockets. He was travelling to Tenerife 13/09/2001ORLANDO Orlando International Airport was evacuated following a bomb threat. The fire department's bomb squad examined bags left in the terminal and determined there was no bomb 12/09/2001SINGAPORE A Singapore Airlines flight routed to Johannesburg from Singapore was delayed following the receipt of a hoax bomb threat. The threat was allegedly sent by e-mail from a New Zealander employed by IBM -----Original Message----- From: tek492p [mailto:tek492p@y...] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:00 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Absolutely outrageous --- In TSCM-L@y..., "Steve Uhrig" wrote: > The security industry has some of the most incredibly ignorant morons > imaginable. > > I am literally speechless. Maybe for the first time in my life. > A concourse was evacuated and > everyone was screened again." > > ******************************************************************* > Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) > Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip > mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com > tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 > "In God we trust, all others we monitor" > ******************************************************************* There is some sort of security breach everyday at some airport somewhere in the United States. Some stories make it to the news media, some do not. As long as we have the same minimum wage employees (making them federal employees does NOT increase their I.Q.) this problem will continue. Jack Lindauer Intertect TSCM services Los Angeles (818) 831-0515 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 4850 From: Robert Dyk Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 8:10am Subject: RE: "TSCM SURVIVOR" Is this relevant to the common cause ? Robert Dyk dyk@c... 4851 From: greendots . Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:44pm Subject: symmetrical time Tomorrow, Wednesday, 20 February 2002, will be a historic moment in time. When the 24 hour clock ticks on 8:02 p.m. on Wednesday, 20 February 2002, then time, day, month, and year will read in perfect symmetry: 2002, 2002, 2002. To be more precise - 20:02, 20/02, 2002. A symmetrical pattern has only happened once in the past, a little over a thousand years ago. The exact moment was 10:01 a.m. on 10 January 1001. A balanced pattern will never occur again. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. 4852 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 8:43am Subject: Polygraph Screening in Light of the Robert Hanssen Espionage Investigation http://antipolygraph.org/documents/richardson-memo-02-2001.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ About a week after the 18 February 2001 arrest of FBI agent Robert P. Hanssen on espionage charges, the FBI's then senior scientific expert on polygraphy, Dr. Drew C. Richardson, sent the following memo to FBI Director Louis Freeh, the Deputy Director, the Assistant Director in Charge of the Laboratory Division, and two Section Chiefs within the Laboratory Division. He received no written or other reply. See also Dr. Richardson's 27 September 1997 opening statement on polygraph screening before the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary's Subcommittee on Administrative Oversight and the Courts, his 17 October 2001 presentation before the National Academy of Sciences' Study to Review the Scientific Evidence on the Polygraph, and his 28 January 2002 polygraph countermeasure challenge to the polygraph community. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Polygraph Screening in Light of the Robert Hanssen Espionage Investigation" Over the last week, the world has learned of the Robert Hanssen Espionage investigation. I, as is the case for most of the lay public and for most employees of the FBI, do not know Mr. Hanssen nor have I had any connection to or knowledge of the investigation that led to his arrest. Before I directly address the subject of this note, I would like to comment on a few peripheral issues so as to alleviate any confusion about what my thoughts are on these subjects or motivation for putting these present thoughts into writing. If the allegations are proven to be true, they represent a heinous betrayal of trust and an unbelievable criminal action on the part of one of our own with profound national security implications for our country. Admittedly, even the retelling of this story is shocking, even prior to its having been formally proved in a judicial setting. Two questions recently asked in the aftermath by the lay press are "How could this have occurred over fifteen plus years and go undetected through the vast majority of that time?" and "What steps should the FBI take to substantially reduce the likelihood of this happening again?" Contained within the context of the last question are frequently occurring references to polygraph screening of Bureau employees and whether or not the FBI is out of step with others in the Intelligence Community with regard to its current polygraph policies. I very strongly believe that the last question and answer are completely irrelevant and that the only meaningful question seeks to address whether the members of the "community" are in line with reason and logic, not with each other. With an appropriately crafted question in mind, it may well be that the answer would have the majority conforming to the practices of the minority, and not the reverse. The rhetoric of recent days has suggested that the "problem" lies within "the culture" of the Bureau, which has traditionally been reluctant to impose polygraph screening programs on its employees. In spite of the recent espionage debacle, I believe this area concerns what "is right" and not that which "is a problem" within the Bureau and that furthermore this has nothing to do with "the culture" of the FBI, but its collective intelligence and discernment which has properly led to it having resisted imposing polygraph screening programs on its employees. In the balance of this note, I will attempt to present the viewpoint of myself and others who are deeply concerned with national security and believe that answers to the aforementioned questions need to be provided, but strongly believe that it is critically important that logic prevail in this time of shock and dismay. There no doubt exists pressure from various sources to "do something" and to quickly take some action, albeit, perhaps even an irrational action. If one is to examine the lay press and editorial accounts of the past week, this pressure has already begun in earnest. The situation reminds one of the relevant temptation as described by and attributed to Salman Rushdie: "When thinking becomes excessively painful, action yields the fastest remedy." It is the sincere hope of this author that this note will support those who have refused to take such action in the past and are resolute in opposing it in the future. The question has frequently arisen as to whether Mr. Hanssen was administered polygraph exams during the period of alleged espionage and/or during his FBI career. This question is then followed with suggested analysis about what effect his having been given a polygraph exam(s) would have had on the course of this investigation and whether any of this demonstrates a need to change the present Bureau policy of not routinely administering polygraph exams to its employees. Again, as with most other questions regarding Mr. Hanssen, I do not have personal or other knowledge as to whether he has been given polygraph exams. The logic of the issue does not require that I do. Either he was or he was not. If he was, then he like so many other traitors was allowed to continue his activities following having been found non-deceptive on an exam(s). If he was not administered an exam(s), in a rather perverse sort of (lack of) logic, it has been suggested that this demonstrates that Bureau employees should be given them in the future. Should the latter situation exist, i.e., that Hanssen had not been polygraphed, I suggest it be viewed in the context of he, likewise, was most likely not subjected to astrological chart readings, palm readings, tea leaf readings, or the readings of entrails as practiced by the ancient Romans. There now exists no more compelling reason to institute a program of wide spread polygraphy than there does implementation of any of these other divining activities. Aside from and in addition to there being no cause for such precipitous action, I strongly believe (as I have stated before in the case of FBI applicants) that there is NO evidence whatsoever that polygraph screening has any validity as a diagnostic tool. In addition to the general considerations and relevant scientific community opinion(s) I have raised before in connection with applicant screening, I believe a detailed analysis of the issues of polygraph sensitivity and specificity through the principles of Bayesian statistics and receiver operator curves (admittedly, well beyond the scope of this note and its form) will completely debunk the notion that this tool has any validity. For reasons that I have previously provided, I further feel that any notions of a deterrent effect and utility in obtaining confessions/admissions for polygraph screening are at best, far overstated. On a final note regarding validity, a very prestigious panel assembled by the National Academy of Sciences has just undertaken (for the US Government) an analysis of the validity of polygraph screening. Whether this panel ultimately concludes (as I believe it likely will), as do I about polygraph validity, I think it will be considered premature (if not presumptuous and ultimately embarrassing to the Bureau) for a new polygraph screening program to be instituted before this group has hardly begun its work. In the analysis of the merits of a given program, it is logical that the cost/benefit ratio of that program be examined. Such is true for a polygraph screening program as well. If as I and others claim, polygraph screening has no validity has a diagnostic tool, then its benefit will be exceedingly low and the costs associated with such a program would also have to be exceedingly low to make the cost/benefit ratio acceptable and a basis for instituting or continuing such a program. In fact the potential costs are quite the opposite---very high. The aforementioned statistical analysis that I referred to would indicate that with assumptions made most favorable to polygraphy, that one could expect to have roughly 50 to 100 times as many false positive determinations (i.e., an innocent employee wrongly found to be deceptive on a polygraph examination) as true positives (e.g., a spy found to be deceptive and therefore identified). Although one can reduce the number of false positives (i.e., increase specificity), it is impossible to do this without reducing the sensitivity of the test, making it almost virtually impossible that under such conditions a spy will be identified as a result of a polygraph exam. At the very least any false positive results will invariably lead to careers being sidelined, but will most likely lead to some careers and lives being ruined. I would call to your attention the case of Mr. Mark Mallah, a former special agent of the FBI who claims to have been wrongly accused of activities related to espionage. This investigation stemmed from what may well have been false positive polygraph results. In addition to other materials available to you, I would refer you to Mr. Mallah's personal account of these matters (http://www.antipolygraph.org/statements/statement-002.shtml). Although I suspect that every effort would be expended to reduce the number of false positives (with the aforementioned and necessary accompanying loss of sensitivity), false positives will occur and some of our employees will be victimized. I will say as strongly as I possibly can that a reasonable cost to benefit ratio analysis of polygraph screening will indicate that such a program is altogether unviable. But on a hypothetical plane, I would pose the question to you: "Even if polygraph had a high benefit (ability to catch spies, which I adamantly claim it does not), and ergo a more acceptable cost to benefit ratio, how many spies would we have to catch to justify the ruining of one employee's (and his family's) life? Or conversely, how many lives would we be willing to ruin to catch one spy? These are ethical decisions, not scientific considerations, but ones that would have to be made and taken responsibility for. The good news is that the moral dilemma I pose for you is really not one at all. The necessary benefit (test sensitivity) to require such an ethical choice is not real or present, leaving you, the Director, and other executives not having to face this excruciating choice. I would like to close on a personal note. I intend to retire from the FBI in the next several months. Amongst many other things, I plan to become engaged in both the scientific inquiry and public discourse surrounding polygraph screening. As such, I suppose it could be said that I do not have a personal stake in whether polygraph screening is implemented or not in the Bureau and that I could easily and perhaps wisely save my commentary for my post Bureau life. Although I suppose it is tempting to do so, I believe that because decisions will/are being made imminently and because the welfare of those I care for and will leave behind with my retirement is at stake, I cannot in good conscience remain silent on this issue. Although I don't expect my views to be singularly compelling (nor should they be) in the overall decision-making process you are undertaking, I do appreciate any consideration you might give this viewpoint. Sincerely yours, Dr. Drew C. Richardson Supervisory Special Agent FBI Laboratory -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4853 From: Marty Kaiser Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 4:01am Subject: Fw: [INTELNET-L] Interesting In case you are interested, below is the affidavit for arrest and search of Robert Hanssen, FBI traitor. http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/ci/hanssen_affidavit.html http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/ci/hanssen_affidavit2.htmlGet more from the Web. 4854 From: Richard Thieme Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 9:54am Subject: Re: "Tampering with a security device." I live in Wisconsin and am waiting to hear back from my state representative about this bill. RT At 10:09 PM 2/19/02 -0600, Aimee Farr wrote: >> Paging Aimee. . . what does this proposed law *really* mean? >> A.Lizard > >Hm. A question for the courts. > >Non-legally -- this law would do more damage to security interests than >anything they could possibly dream up. Simply "passing a law" is not a >solution to people intent on B&E, etc. I'm of the opinion this could be >aimed at something else, possibly dissent populations and "surveillance >saboteurs," or ..."surveillance subversion" -- whatever the buzzword will >be. If so, these people don't understand the nature of political dissent or >workforce sabotage. > >I think it could be better-drafted so as to protect legitimate interests. > >I would like to know what interest drafted this bill. > >~Aimee > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: >http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > 4855 From: Aimee Farr Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 9:54am Subject: RE: "Tampering with a security device." I did not read all of your post, and have it confused with something else. (Nothing to do w/ bugs, etc.) Sorry, I crossed threads from another channel! ~Aimee > -----Original Message----- > From: Aimee Farr [mailto:aimee.farr@p...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:10 PM > To: TSCM-L-yahoogroups.com > Subject: [TSCM-L] "Tampering with a security device." > > > > Paging Aimee. . . what does this proposed law *really* mean? > > A.Lizard > > Hm. A question for the courts. > > Non-legally -- this law would do more damage to security interests than > anything they could possibly dream up. Simply "passing a law" is not a > solution to people intent on B&E, etc. I'm of the opinion this could be > aimed at something else, possibly dissent populations and "surveillance > saboteurs," or ..."surveillance subversion" -- whatever the buzzword will > be. If so, these people don't understand the nature of political > dissent or > workforce sabotage. > > I think it could be better-drafted so as to protect legitimate interests. > > I would like to know what interest drafted this bill. > > ~Aimee > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > 4856 From: A Grudko Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 8:08am Subject: "Tampering with a security device." - Original Message - From: James M. Atkinson > > The intention of the statute is to stop shoplifter from tampering > with "Inventory Control Tags" and the related support systems. > I does not appear to have anything to do with bugs and wiretaps. There was a passingly interesting and technically distorted discourse in the media here last month about active VQRP RF (431Mhz) digital ID tags being used in government premises is SA. The media tried to make out that one political party was tracking the movements of all others and implied an evil Orwellian conspirasy when in fact the installers were just trying to reduce rampant theft and security breaches. Remember 'The Man From Uncle'? If you bypassed the secret chamber behind the tailor's shop without the triangular yellow tag you were tortured dead meat, or worse, had to listen to one of Mr Alexander's monalogues. I think that was a CBS classified Marty Kaiser c. 1964 system. :-) Can this 2002 system be abused? Of course - so can water. 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Carrier Current detector w/case and sound source All are in good, if not excellent, shape with low miles. Price is reasonable. Contact me off the list for details if you are interested. -- Rob Muessel, Director email: rmuessel@t... TSCM Technical Services Phone: 203-354-9040 11 Bayberry Lane Fax: 203-354-9041 Norwalk, CT 06851 USA 4859 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 10:11am Subject: A Cow Story TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income. ENRON VENTURE CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Sell one cow to buy a new president of the United States, leaving you with nine cows. No balance sheet provided with the release. The public buys your bull. ARTHUR ANDERSON, LLC You have 2 cows. You shred all documents that Enron has any cows, take 2 cows from Enron for payment for consulting the cows, and attest that Enron has 9 cows. AN AMERICAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when the cow drops dead. FRENCH CORPORATION You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows. A JAPANESE CORPORATION You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You then create clever cow cartoon images called Cowkimon and market them World-Wide. A GERMAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves. A BRITISH CORPORATION You have two cows. Both are mad. AN ITALIAN CORPORATION You have two cows, but you don't know where they are. You break for lunch. A RUSSIAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka. A SWISS CORPORATION You have 5000 cows, none of which belong to you. You charge others for storing them. A HINDU CORPORATION You have two cows. You worship them. A CHINESE CORPORATION You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim full employment, high bovine productivity, and arrest the newsman who reported the numbers. AN ISRAELI CORPORATION So, there are these two Jewish cows, right? They open a milk factory, an ice cream store, and then sell the movie rights. They send their calves to Harvard to become doctors. So, who needs people? AN ARKANSAS CORPORATION You have two cows. That one on the left is kinda cute. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4860 From: kirk Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:25am Subject: Re: A Cow Story Dear kind-hearted friends... Now that the holiday season has passed, please look into your heart to help those in need. Enron executives in our very own country are living at or just below the seven-figure salary level. And, as if that weren't bad enough, they will be deprived of it as a result of the bankruptcy and current SEC investigation. But now, you can help! For only $20,835 a month, about $694.50 a day (that's less than the cost of a large screen projection TV) you can help an Enron executive remain economically viable during his time of need. This contribution by no means solves the problem, but it's a start! Almost $700 may not seem like a lot of money to you, but to an Enron exec it could mean the difference between a vacation spent sucking ass in DC, golfing in Florida or a Mediterranean cruise. For you, seven hundred dollars is nothing more than rent, a car note or mortgage payments. But to an Enron exec $700 will almost replace his per diem. Your commitment of less than $700 a day will enable an Enron exec to buy that home entertainment center, trade in the year-old Lexus for a new Ferrari, or enjoy a weekend in Rio. HOW WILL I KNOW I'M HELPING? Each month, you will receive a complete financial report on the exec you sponsor. Detailed information about his stocks, bonds, 401(k), real estate, and other investment holdings will be mailed to your home. You'll also get information on how he plans to invest his golden parachute. Imagine the joy as you watch your executive's portfolio double or triple! Plus, upon signing up for this program, you will receive a photo of the exec (unsigned-for a signed photo, please include an additional $50.00). Put the photo on your refrigerator to remind you of other peoples' suffering. HOW WILL HE KNOW I'M HELPING? Your Enron exec will be told that he has a SPECIAL FRIEND who just wants to help in a time of need. Although the exec won't know your name, he will be able to make collect calls to your home via a special operator just in case additional funds are needed for unexpected expenses. YES, I WANT TO HELP! I would like to sponsor an Enron executive. My preference is checked below: [ ] Mid-level Manager [ ] Director [ ] Vice President (Higher cost; please specify which department) [ ] President (Even higher cost; please specify which department) [ ] CEO (Contribution:: Average Enron janitor monthly salary x 700) [ ] Entire Company [ ] I'll sponsor an Exec most in need. Please select one for me. *It's just that easy so do it now!* Please charge the account listed below ___________ per day and send me a picture of the Enron executive I have sponsored, along with my very own Enron "Keep America Strong; Sponsor an Enron Exec: Ask Me How!" t-shirt to wear proudly. And thank you so very much! ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "James M. Atkinson" Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:11:56 -0500 > >TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a >bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and >retire on the income. > >ENRON VENTURE CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell three of them >to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by >your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with >an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with >a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are >transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly >owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven >cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company >owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Sell one cow to buy a >new president of the United States, leaving you with nine cows. No >balance sheet provided with the release. The public buys your bull. > >ARTHUR ANDERSON, LLC You have 2 cows. You shred all documents that >Enron has any cows, take 2 cows from Enron for payment for consulting >the cows, and attest that Enron has 9 cows. > >AN AMERICAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You sell one, and force >the other to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when >the cow drops dead. > >FRENCH CORPORATION You have two cows. You go on strike because you >want three cows. > >A JAPANESE CORPORATION You have two cows. You redesign them so they >are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times >the milk. You then create clever cow cartoon images called Cowkimon >and market them World-Wide. > >A GERMAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You re-engineer them so they >live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves. > >A BRITISH CORPORATION You have two cows. Both are mad. > >AN ITALIAN CORPORATION You have two cows, but you don't know where >they are. You break for lunch. > >A RUSSIAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You count them and learn you >have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You >count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows >and open another bottle of vodka. > >A SWISS CORPORATION You have 5000 cows, none of which belong to you. >You charge others for storing them. > >A HINDU CORPORATION You have two cows. You worship them. > >A CHINESE CORPORATION You have two cows. You have 300 people milking >them. You claim full employment, high bovine productivity, and arrest >the newsman who reported the numbers. > >AN ISRAELI CORPORATION So, there are these two Jewish cows, right? >They open a milk factory, an ice cream store, and then sell the movie >rights. They send their calves to Harvard to become doctors. So, who >needs people? > >AN ARKANSAS CORPORATION You have two cows. That one on the left is kinda cute. >-- > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, >Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 > Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 > 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough > men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: >http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Kirk Adirim President TACTRONIX Tactical Electronics for Critical Missions 8497 Sunset Boulevard #28 West Hollywood, CA 90069 USA E: kirk@t... T: 323-650-2880 F: 310-388-5886 W: www.tactronix.com -- 4861 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Feb 21, 2002 10:36pm Subject: It speaks for itself. It speaks for itself. Because I drove the night shift, my cab became a moving confessional. Passengers climbed in, sat behind me in total anonymity, and told me about their lives. I encountered people whose lives amazed me, ennobled me, made me laugh and weep. But none touched me more than a woman I picked up late one August night. When I arrived at 2:30 a.m., the building was dark except for a single light in a ground floor window. Under these circumstances, many drivers would just honk once or twice, wait a minute, then drive away. But I had seen too many impoverished people who depended on taxis as their only means of transportation. Unless a situation smelled of danger, I always went to the door. This passenger might be someone who needs my assistance, I reasoned to myself. So I walked to the door and knocked. "Just a minute," answered a frail, elderly voice. (I could hear something being dragged across the floor.) After a long pause, the door opened. A small woman in her 80s stood before me. She was wearing a print dress and a pillbox hat with a veil pinned on it, like somebody out of a 1940's movie. By her side was a small nylon suitcase. The apartment looked as if no one had lived in it for years. All the furniture was covered with sheets. There were no clocks on the walls, no knickknacks or utensils on the counters. In the corner was a cardboard box filled with photos and glassware. "Would you carry my bag out to the car?" she said. I took the suitcase to the cab, then returned to assist the woman. She took my arm and we walked slowly toward the curb. She kept thanking me for my kindness. "It's nothing," I told her. "I just try to treat my passengers the way I would want my mother treated." "Oh, you're such a good boy," she said. When we got in the cab, she gave me an address, then asked, "Could you drive through downtown?" "It's not the shortest way," I answered quickly. "Oh, I don't mind," she said. "I'm in no hurry. I'm on my way to a hospice." I looked in the rear view mirror. Her eyes were glistening. "I don't have any family left," she continued. "The doctor says I don't have very long.." I quietly reached over and shut off the meter. "What route would you like me to take?" I asked. For the next two hours, we drove through the city. She showed me the building where she had once worked as an elevator operator. We drove through the neighborhood where she and her husband had lived when they were newlyweds. She had me pull up in front of a furniture warehouse that had once been a ballroom where she had gone dancing as a girl. Sometimes she'd ask me to slow in front of a particular building or corner and would sit staring into the darkness, saying nothing. As the first hint of sun was creasing the horizon, she suddenly said, "I'm tired. Let's go now." We drove in silence to the address she had given me. It was a low building, like a small convalescent home, with a driveway that passed under a portico. Two orderlies came out to the cab as soon as we pulled up. They were solicitous and intent, watching her every move. They must have been expecting her. I opened the trunk and took the small suitcase to the door. The woman was already seated in a wheelchair. "How much do I owe you?" she asked, reaching into her purse. "Nothing," I said. "You have to make a living," she answered. "There are other passengers," I responded. Almost without thinking, I bent and gave her a hug. She held onto me tightly. "You gave an old woman a little moment of joy," she said. "Thank you." I squeezed her hand, then walked into the dim morning light. Behind me, a door shut. It was the sound of the closing of a life. I didn't pick up any more passengers that shift. I drove aimlessly, lost in thought. For the rest of that day, I could hardly talk. What if that woman had gotten an angry driver, or one who was impatient at the end his shift? What if I had refused to take the run, or had honked once, then driven away? On a quick review, I don't think that I have done anything more important in my life. We're conditioned to think that our lives revolve around great moments. But great moments often catch us unaware--beautifully wrapped in what others may consider a small one. People may not remember exactly what you did, or what you said, ...but they will always remember how you made them feel. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4862 From: Aimee Farr Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:12pm Subject: Whoops. [Moral lesson. ~Aimee] US v. YANG (02/20/02 - No. 00-3125, 00-3126, 00-3150) Where the defendants believed the information they conspired and attempted to steal was a trade secret, the fact that the information was not an actual trade secret was irrelevant, as the defense of impossibility is unavailable to defendants charged under the Economic Espionage Act of 1996, 18 U.S.C. sections 1832(a)(4) and (5). To read the full text of this opinion, go to: http://laws.lp.findlaw.com/6th/02a0062p.html