From: James M. Atkinson Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:46pm Subject: Russia says uncovers U.S. spy ring http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020410/80/cwbo7.html Wednesday April 10, 07:17 PM Russia says uncovers U.S. spy ring By Clara Ferreira-Marques MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's security police has accused the United States of drugging a scientist in a cloak-and-dagger conspiracy to steal military secrets. The allegations on Wednesday were a throwback to tit-for-tat spy scandals which dominated the chilly first months of the presidencies of Vladimir Putin and George W. Bush, and they sounded a sour note ahead of the two men's summit in Russia next month. Sketchy but exotic details of the spy case were described by unidentified officers of the FSB security police, appearing on the evening television news with their faces in silhouette. They said the Russian scientist had stumbled into one of Moscow's consulates in another former-Soviet republic with his memory apparently wiped out by drugs, recalling only that he had visited a U.S. embassy to check on family in the United States. "He was brought to Moscow and here the FSB did some tests on him, and we established that he had known some government secrets and that he had been under psychoactive drug treatment for a long time," a concealed FSB officer told NTV television. The scientist had been recruited by the CIA, which gave him instructions in letters written in invisible ink, the officer said, adding the espionage was thwarted before damage was done. Footage of a young Asian woman was shown, and the news reports said she was a CIA agent responsible for the operation who had posed as a junior American diplomat but was no longer in Russia. Officials at the U.S. embassy in Moscow and the CIA in Washington declined to comment. The FSB did not answer calls. In March last year, the Bush administration expelled 50 Russian diplomats from the United States, prompting a tit-for-tat response from the Kremlin in the worst spy scandal to shake Moscow and Washington since the Cold War. Russia and the United States have greatly improved ties since the September 11 attacks against U.S. cities, when Putin was among the first to offer his support. The Kremlin has since backed the U.S.-led war on terrorism. But the FSB charges add to a growing list of woes likely to crop up at the May 23-25 summit in Moscow and St Petersburg, already set to include bickering over U.S. poultry imports, a U.S.-funded radio broadcast to Russia's separatist Chechnya region and nuclear disarmament. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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Bush, are due to meet for a summit in Moscow and St Petersburg. According to the Interfax news agency, CIA officials posing as U.S. diplomats tried to recruit an expert in a secret Defence Ministry plant before the FSB -- successor to the Soviet-era KGB -- stepped in. The news agency said Russia's national security had not been jeopardised. The classified information being sought by the CIA was about new Russian weaponry and about Russian military cooperation with ex-Soviet republics, Interfax said. It allegedly involved trips to other countries. Inside Russia, the CIA communicated with their informer through dead letter boxes and secret messages, according to the Russian secret service. "The FSB has irrefutable evidence of the CIA's spying activities in Russia," an FSB official was quoted as saying. "The work was carried out by CIA officers, working under the cover of American diplomats in Moscow and in one of the CIS states," the unnamed official said. He named a woman junior diplomat in the U.S. embassy in Moscow as leading the operation, adding that the diplomat had already left Russia. The U.S. embassy declined to comment on the accusations. The FSB was unavailable for comment. In March 2001, 50 Russian diplomats were expelled from the United States, prompting a tit-for-tat response from the Kremlin in the worst spy scandal to shake Moscow and Washington since the Cold War. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPh: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...three shall be the number to count, and the number to be counted shall be three.....four shall thou not count......five is right out". - M. Python -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5165 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:48pm Subject: Russian Security Service Says CIA Tried to Steal Military Secrets http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,50026,00.html Russian Security Service Says CIA Tried to Steal Military Secrets Wednesday, April 10, 2002 MOSCOW - The Russian successor to the KGB on Wednesday accused the CIA of trying to acquire military secrets, allegations that include such traditional spy tradecraft as invisible ink, secret drop points and mind-altering drugs. Russian television showed grainy footage provided by security services. Mark Mansfield, spokesman for the Langley, Va.-based CIA, declined to comment Wednesday. Agency officials routinely decline to discuss foreign allegations of U.S. espionage. Despite the end of the Cold War, experts say the spy business is alive and well between Russia and the United States and that both sides have a healthy interest in trying to predict the other's next moves - even if they're now allies. A spokesman for the Federal Security Service, the Soviet-era KGB's chief successor, said CIA officers posing as embassy officials in Russia and another, unidentified ex-Soviet republic had tried to recruit an employee at a secret Russian Defense Ministry installation. The security service interfered at an early stage and was able to monitor the CIA officers' activities and prevent serious damage to Russia's security, the spokesman said on condition of anonymity. The service named two alleged participants in the operation: David Robertson, whose post at an unnamed embassy in the former Soviet Union was not described, and Yunju Kensinger, reportedly a third secretary in the consular department of the U.S. Embassy in Moscow. The Interfax news agency, citing an "informed source," said Kensinger had already left Moscow. It quoted the security service's press office as saying that Kensinger, like other alleged American intelligence agents in Russia, had not met personally with her Russian contact or contacts. Instead, she used secret drop points and messages in invisible ink. State-controlled ORT television showed grainy footage of a woman identified as Kensinger walking with other embassy employees. It also broadcast pictures of a plastic-wrapped package stashed among some bushes in what it identified as the Sokolniki region of Moscow, and an interview in a darkened room with a man identified as a Federal Security Service operative. He explained that the Russian Defense Ministry employee, identified only by his first name, Viktor, had gone to a U.S. Embassy in another former Soviet republic last spring to try to find information about a relative who had gone missing abroad. Embassy officers allegedly slipped him psychotropic drugs to get information, because he was found a week later wandering the streets in shock and with amnesia. The ITAR-Tass news agency reported that only after psychiatric treatment had Viktor - whom a security service employee called a "real patriot" - been able to reconstruct the details of his visit. "As a result, the Federal Security Service took the necessary steps to stop the leak of Russian secrets through this channel and unmask the Langley employees who used the most unscrupulous methods," ITAR-Tass said. The U.S. Embassy in Moscow would not comment on the espionage accusation, which followed a warm spell prompted by Russia's participation in the U.S.-led anti-terror campaign. Analysts noted the latest spy scandal emerged just weeks ahead of a May summit between President Bush and Putin. "It's the choice of timing that immediately raises questions," said Tom Sanderson of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "There are a number of people who are unhappy at how Putin is walking in lockstep with the Americans." Viktor Kremenyuk, deputy director for the USA-Canada Institute in Moscow, doubted the scandal will affect the summit. "Of course spy scandals aren't good for bilateral relations, but they don't have any negative consequences," he told the Interfax news agency. Relations haven't been too cozy, however. In December, President Bush announced that the United States would dump the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which Moscow had vowed to preserve. The two nations also sparred over newly imposed U.S. steel tariffs, which Russia says will severely damage its metals industry, and Russia's ban on U.S. poultry. Shortly after Putin, a former KGB agent, became acting president in December 1999, U.S. businessman Edmond Pope became the first American convicted of spying in Russia in 40 years. Putin pardoned him shortly after his conviction. Last year, Russia ordered 50 U.S. diplomats to leave the country, mirroring the U.S. expulsion of Russian diplomats following the arrest of FBI agent Robert Hanssen on charges of spying for Moscow. The Russians' arrest of U.S. Fulbright scholar John Tobin on marijuana charges also attracted wide attention after security officials said they believed he was a spy in training. Tobin was freed from prison last August. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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Atkinson Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:47pm Subject: CIA 'drugged Russian defence worker to get military secrets' http://news.independent.co.uk/world/russia/story.jsp?story=283659 11 April 2002 00:38 GMT+1 Home > News > World > Russia CIA 'drugged Russian defence worker to get military secrets' By Judith Ingram 11 April 2002 Russia's main security service has accused the Central Intelligence Agency of trying to acquire Russian military secrets, using two agents posing as American diplomats to try to recruit a Russian Defence Ministry employee. A spokesman for the security service said that CIA officers posing as embassy officials in Russia and another, unnamed former Soviet republic had tried to recruit an employee at a secret defence installation, identified only as Viktor. The service named two alleged participants in the operation: David Robertson, whose post at an unnamed embassy in the former Soviet Union was not described, and Yunju Kensinger, an official at the US embassy in Moscow. The Interfax news agency, citing an "informed source", said Ms Kensinger had left Moscow. It quoted the security service's press office as saying that Ms Kensinger had not personally met her Russian contact or contacts. Instead, she used secret drop points and messages in invisible ink. State-controlled ORT television showed grainy footage of a woman identified as Ms Kensinger walking with other embassy employees. It also broadcast pictures of a plastic-wrapped package stashed among bushes in what it identified as the Sokolniki region of Moscow, and an interview in a darkened room with a man described as a Federal Security Service operative. He explained that the Russian employee had gone to a US embassy in a former Soviet republic to try to find information about a relative who had gone missing abroad. Embassy officers allegedly slipped him drugs to get information out of him. He was found with shock and amnesia, but was later able to reconstruct the details of his visit. (AP) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPh: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...three shall be the number to count, and the number to be counted shall be three.....four shall thou not count......five is right out". - M. Python -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5167 From: Fernando Martins Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:20pm Subject: 2002 CSI/FBI computer crime and security survey http://www.gocsi.com/press/20020407.html Any comments regarding this survey? FM 5168 From: Charles P Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 5:51pm Subject: Voicemail Hacking at HP Voicemail hacking hits the news: URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2002/04/10/fina ncial1539EDT0111.DTL (04-10) 13:24 PDT SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) -- Two days before Hewlett-Packard Co. shareholders voted on the contested purchase of Compaq Computer Corp., HP chief Carly Fiorina told her top lieutenant she was nervous about the outcome and suggested taking "extraordinary" steps to win over two big investors. "If you would take Deutsche Bank, I'll take Northern Trust, get on the phone and see what we can get, but we may have to do something extraordinary for those two to bring them over the line here," Fiorina said in a voice mail to chief financial officer Robert Wayman. The message was anonymously forwarded to a reporter at the San Jose Mercury News, which printed a transcript of it Wednesday and made the audio clip available online. The disclosure comes as HP's last-minute moves to win support for the $19 billion Compaq deal are at the center of a lawsuit against the company by dissident director Walter Hewlett. Hewlett, the son of an HP co-founder and the leader of the proxy fight against the deal, claims HP improperly got the investment arm of Deutsche Bank to switch 17 million votes in favor of the deal by threatening to take future business away from the bank. Deutsche had helped arrange a multibillion-dollar line of credit for HP just days earlier. Hewlett wants a Delaware judge to throw out Deutsche Bank's votes, which he believes were enough to give HP what Fiorina called a "slim but sufficient" margin of victory in the March 19 vote. Fiorina's voice mail to Wayman apparently was retrieved by someone with access to an internal server connected to the company phone system. HP confirmed that it was authentic, but claimed that nothing discussed in the message was improper or illegal. Wayman said in a statement that HP executives were constantly assessing whether they had effectively pitched the deal to large investors and "did in fact make extraordinary efforts" in the final days, with dozens of last-minute presentations. Still, Hewlett's lawyers believe the voice mail could support their Delaware lawsuit and expect the message will be turned over in the pretrial discovery phase. The trial is scheduled to begin April 23. Dennis Block, who heads the mergers and acquisitions division at the Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft law firm in New York, said the voice mail shows that Fiorina and Wayman went all out to lobby investors but is not in itself evidence they resorted to improper or coercive tactics. "I do not view the voice mail as a smoking gun," he said. But Charles Elson, director of the corporate governance program at the University of Delaware, said the voice mail "certainly does not help" HP's case. "The use of the term `extraordinary' leads one to question what kind of means are extraordinary," Elson said. In her message to Wayman on the night of March 17, Fiorina said she and HP's proxy solicitor were nervous that Deutsche Bank and Northern Trust would reject the deal. Deutsche Bank controlled 25 million HP shares; Northern Trust Global Investors had about 13 million. "And so the suggestion is that you call the guy at Deutsche Bank again first thing Monday morning," Fiorina said in the voice mail. "And if you don't get the right answer from him, then you and I need to demand a conference call, an audience, etc., to make sure that we get them in the right place. So, Alan (Miller, HP's proxy solicitor) is feeling like you need a definite answer from the vice chairman, and if it's the wrong one, we have to swing into action." Deutsche Bank has refused to comment. Northern Trust Global Investors would not disclose whether it voted for or against the deal, but said its position did not change at all in the final days. HP shares rose 31 cents to close at $17.72 on the New York Stock Exchange, where shares of Houston-based Compaq gained 48 cents to $9.76. 5169 From: Steve Whitehead Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 5:52am Subject: Rooivalk secrets take wings "Pretoria - Thieves who broke into the closely guarded Denel complex in Pretoria knew exactly what they wanted. Only computer hard disks containing information of the Rooivalk attack helicopter were stolen in the burglary that shows signs of industrial espionage. From evidence in the investigation thus far it appears the thieves knew exactly what they wanted and were not interested in computer equipment when they burgled the Denel aviation department. The National Intelligence Agency (NIA) has joined police in the investigation, said NIA spokesperson Lorna Daniels on Wednesday. Knew details about security The joint probe was initiated as Denel's manufacturing plants are regarded as national key points. Johan Holdt, who heads the Denel department, said the thieves were clearly in possession of information about the triple electrified fence surrounding the complex as well as its offices since they went directly to the offices from where they stole the computers. Information stored on the hard-disks pertained mainly to the Rooivalk helicopter project, as well as Hawk fighter jet tail-section manufacturing details, which Denel manufactures on contract. Holdt noted that the information mainly comprised details about helicopter production for the air force. "We are almost certain that no blueprints were stolen. We keep those technical details elsewhere." The thieves dug a tunnel under the electrified fence and then gained access to the building through a window three metres above the ground where the section for military aircraft is located. Holdt said the window had not been not shut properly, but that it wasn't certain whether this had been done on purpose. Power supply to the electrified fence is switched off at times and it appears the thieves were probably aware of these times. The hard-disks of 25 desktop and laptop computers were stolen as well as an overhead projector. Holding partnership talks Closed-circuit security cameras were installed at strategic points after a spate of thefts in the workshops, which had put an end to these thefts. The cameras were mainly in the workshops and failed to record the weekend burglary. Additional security measures have been put into place to prevent a repeat burglary. The police said no arrests had been made. The government and BAE Systems of Britain, manufacturer of Hawk training fighter jets, are holding talks to negotiate a strategic partnership between Denel and BAE Systems, which could result in partial privatisation of Denel. Denel manufactures aircraft and other spare parts for a variety of commercial clients including Boeing and Rolls-Royce. Denel's military aircraft section has been upgrading air force aircraft for several years. After the decision to acquire Hawk and Gripen fighter jets for the air force, the company became involved in manufacturing certain components of the two types of fighter jets locally" Story at http://www.news24.co.za/News24/South_Africa/Gauteng/0,1113,2-7-829_1166897,00.html Steve Whitehead E-mail : sceptre@m... Tel (012) 664-3157 Fax (012) 664-3180 International (+2712) P O Box 16063, Lyttelton, 0140, Centurion, South Africa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 5170 From: David Alexander Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 10:56am Subject: Re: Emotional, Mental, and Personality Disorders >My inferiority complex is bigger and better than anyone else's. You know, I never thought I would ever see two men argue over who had the smallest one of anything. 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Heard from NY Disk Jockey Bob Shannon on WCBS-FM, an oldies station. -----Original Message----- From: David Alexander [mailto:david.alexander@b...] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:57 AM To: 'TSCM submissions' Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Emotional, Mental, and Personality Disorders >My inferiority complex is bigger and better than anyone else's. You know, I never thought I would ever see two men argue over who had the smallest one of anything. Then someone invented mobile phones _______________________________ David Alexander M.INSTIS Global Infrastructure Director Bookham Technology plc Tel: +44 (0) 1327 356264 Mobile: +44 (0) 7799 881284 Fax: +44 (0) 1327 356775 http://www.bookham.com ======================================================================= This e-mail is intended for the person it is addressed to only. The information contained in it may be confidential and/or protected by law. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 5173 From: A Grudko Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:33pm Subject: Will implantable tracking chips be used by totalitarian government? 'Digital Angel' lands in China Will implantable tracking chips be used by totalitarian government? By Sherrie Gossett © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com Making good on its promise to "achieve a global presence," Digital Angel Corporation - manufacturer and marketer of high-tech, implantable devices for tracking human beings - has opened a research and development facility in Shen Zhen, a special economic zone near Hong Kong, hoping to cash in on vast markets in China and the Far East. As WorldNetDaily first reported, Digital Angel is a sophisticated, miniaturized tracking device intended by its manufacturer for subdermal implantation in large numbers of human beings. After heavy publicity, the manufacturer last year deflected criticism from privacy advocates and Christians concerned over biblical prophesy by removing all references to human implantation from its website and literature, only to re-introduce human implantation - with a product called VeriChip - after Sept. 11, due to the nation's new preoccupation with security. Andy Grudko - South Africa D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 International business intelligence and investigations - ICQ 146498943 (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust When you need it done right - first time 5174 From: A Grudko Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:20pm Subject: Smaller is better Quote > You know, I never thought I would ever see two men argue over who had the > smallest one of anything. > Then someone invented mobile phones Just out of interest: what is the smallest stand-alone, self powered functional room bug members have seen? In practical terms I think that the difficulty of getting the thing in place and operational is more important than size, but clients often ask. It's sort of a 'Ripley's' question. Andy Grudko - South Africa D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 International business intelligence and investigations - ICQ 146498943 (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust When you need it done right - first time 5175 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:10pm Subject: Re: Will implantable tracking chips be used by totalitarian government? The only problem is that the product, the company, and the salesmen have all been debunked so many times that it's become a joke. -jma At 9:33 PM +0200 4/11/02, A Grudko wrote: >'Digital Angel' lands in China >Will implantable tracking chips be used by totalitarian government? > >By Sherrie Gossett >© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com > >Making good on its promise to "achieve a global presence," Digital Angel >Corporation - manufacturer and marketer of high-tech, implantable devices >for tracking human beings - has opened a research and development facility >in Shen Zhen, a special economic zone near Hong Kong, hoping to cash in on >vast markets in China and the Far East. > >As WorldNetDaily first reported, Digital Angel is a sophisticated, >miniaturized tracking device intended by its manufacturer for subdermal >implantation in large numbers of human beings. After heavy publicity, the >manufacturer last year deflected criticism from privacy advocates and >Christians concerned over biblical prophesy by removing all references to >human implantation from its website and literature, only to re-introduce >human implantation - with a product called VeriChip - after Sept. 11, due to >the nation's new preoccupation with security. > > >Andy Grudko - South Africa >D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 >International business intelligence and investigations - ICQ 146498943 >(+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) >SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust >When you need it done right - first time -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPh: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...three shall be the number to count, and the number to be counted shall be three.....four shall thou not count......five is right out". - M. Python -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5176 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 4:01pm Subject: Re: Emotional, Mental, and Personality Disorders I seem to recall that at some military hospitals have the psychiatrist and the proctologist right next to each other, and that in DC they share the same office space. -jma At 6:56 PM -0400 4/10/02, Steve Uhrig wrote: >My inferiority complex is bigger and better than anyone else's. > >Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPh: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...three shall be the number to count, and the number to be counted shall be three.....four shall thou not count......five is right out". - M. Python -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5177 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:13am Subject: RE: Will implantable tracking chips be used by totalitarian government? Given that the company's stock is trading at less than 1/2 the value it was trading at since 9/11, the overwhelming number of sells versus buys for inside traders, the limitation to one sizable institutional investor that seems to be a new buyin at the end of last year and the market focus the company is in, ya just might have something there JMA... Now for a teardown... Randolph K. Geissler - Former CEO of "Destron Fearing (NASDAQ: DFCO)", not listed on NASDAQ any longer, why? It merged with Applied Digital Solutions, Inc. (Nasdaq:ADSX) in 2000. So he's still doing the same job at the same company.... why didn't they just say this on the page? http://www.digitalangel.net/about_bio.asp Reading top to bottom, the best hope yet that I've seen is William Faresich. From the bio, they may have actually scored someone decent, so was he fired, laid off or flee when the company product line didn't start to sell? It doesn't really say when he came on board, which is interesting since most of the other key personnel have chronological dates associated with positions, even inline positions. Dr. Peter Zhou - why does that name sound familiar? Anyone in Florida know this name? I just keep thinking Florida and Zhou, maybe I'm just tired. This name is going to bug me all week long... For some reason it is so familiar. Next topic of thought. I wonder if the FBI will make a new subsection for their approved biometric list for the chip. http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/iafis/cert.htm Or if they do, if they'll add InfoPet, Schering-Plough Animal Health and Avid to their approved company list as well, that's for my wife, the Vet Tech :) Someone get me that 14 guage needle please. This'll be fun. Well if we didn't have Digital Angel (and the FBI) to poke at, we'd have memorable companies such as Digital Biometrics, come on all you LEA's you love those tenprinters.. don'tcha (Funny story here - which sued Identix, then sold to Visionics, which in turn, merged with Identix, ouch, how much did the lawyers get on that one?) from Minnetonka which basically works in the same pool, with the same talent, with the same market results, so... Looks like an industry trend overall perhaps? Where is Digital Angel from again? Sidenote: One nice website with biometric news links: http://www.dss.state.ct.us/pubs/BIOMET_BREAKING_%20NEWS.html G'Nite all. The above was supposed to be informative, as well as humorous, except of course, if you work at any of the above listed companies, and then I didn't write this.. someone broke into my house, sat down on my computer, and wrote it, so please don't chip me in my sleep..... you've already got my cats and dog, isn't that enough? No wait. There's China! After that, I guess we can go after India. Matt -----Original Message----- From: James M. Atkinson [mailto:jmatk@tscm.com] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:11 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Will implantable tracking chips be used by totalitarian government? The only problem is that the product, the company, and the salesmen have all been debunked so many times that it's become a joke. -jma At 9:33 PM +0200 4/11/02, A Grudko wrote: >'Digital Angel' lands in China >Will implantable tracking chips be used by totalitarian government? > >By Sherrie Gossett >© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com > >Making good on its promise to "achieve a global presence," Digital Angel >Corporation - manufacturer and marketer of high-tech, implantable devices >for tracking human beings - has opened a research and development facility >in Shen Zhen, a special economic zone near Hong Kong, hoping to cash in on >vast markets in China and the Far East. > >As WorldNetDaily first reported, Digital Angel is a sophisticated, >miniaturized tracking device intended by its manufacturer for subdermal >implantation in large numbers of human beings. After heavy publicity, the >manufacturer last year deflected criticism from privacy advocates and >Christians concerned over biblical prophesy by removing all references to >human implantation from its website and literature, only to re-introduce >human implantation - with a product called VeriChip - after Sept. 11, due to >the nation's new preoccupation with security. > > >Andy Grudko - South Africa >D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 >International business intelligence and investigations - ICQ 146498943 >(+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) >SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust >When you need it done right - first time -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- James M. 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It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 5178 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:25am Subject: RFID's for Chips? Just as an interesting question, does anyone know what frequencies InfoPet, Schering-Plough Animal Health and Avid use? Matt 5179 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:34am Subject: RE: RFID's for Chips? 134.2 kHz - Destron Fearing's http://www.destron-fearing.com/elect/elect.html And it'd seem that ISO is 134.x kHz This appears to cover these brands/mfg's if I'm reading this right. COMPANION ANIMAL Animal Electronic I.D. Systems Pty Ltd. marketing Lifechip in Australia; Anitech Enterprises, Inc., marketing PETNET™ in Canada; Dainippon Pharmaceutical Co. Inc., marketing Lifechip™ in Japan; Identipet in South Africa; Merial, marketing Indexel™ in Europe; Schering-Plough Animal Health, marketing HomeAgain™ in the United States. Database managed by AKC Companion Animal Recovery. VDC, plc/Animal Care marketing Identichip™ in the United Kingdom. Marketing partners selling to other key markets include: LABORATORY ANIMALS BioMedic Data Systems, Inc. marketing Destron Fearing systems in the laboratory animal business worldwide. EQUINE Electronic ID selling Destron Fearing equine microchips in the United States. FISH AND WILDLIFE Biomark, Inc. marketing Destron Fearing systems to the fish and wildlife markets. MANUFACTURING Raytheon Microelectronics España, S.A. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Paulsen [mailto:mpaulsen6@a...] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:25 PM To: Tscm-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] RFID's for Chips? Just as an interesting question, does anyone know what frequencies InfoPet, Schering-Plough Animal Health and Avid use? Matt ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 5180 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 3:28pm Subject: Russians: CIA Used Drugs to Recruit [Reads like an episode of "Get Smart" -jma] http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-russia-us-espionage0411apr11.story?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dnationworld%2Dheadlines Russians: CIA Used Drugs to Recruit By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press Writer April 11, 2002, 12:47 PM EDT MOSCOW -- U.S. spies used drugged cookies and drinks to break the will of a Russian defense employee and recruit him as an agent, according to new details of Russian security service allegations published by a newspaper Thursday. The Federal Security Service, or FSB, ridiculed the alleged U.S. espionage effort in the report in the daily Komsomolskaya Pravda, saying the CIA once delivered secret instructions to their agent in invisible ink that melted away when he used Russian tap water to develop them. "The Americans will never defeat us because they will never figure out that our tap water differs from that in Langley," the city in Virginia where the CIA is based, the newspaper said quoting FSB officials. The FSB, the KGB's main successor, said Wednesday that CIA officers posing as embassy officials in Russia and another, unidentified former Soviet republic had tried to recruit an employee at a secret Russian Defense Ministry installation. CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield and the U.S. Embassy in Moscow both declined to comment Wednesday on the allegations. In the two-page report Thursday in Komsomolskaya Pravda, the FSB elaborated on details of the allegations. It identified the Russian expert as Viktor, 58, a worker of a defense ministry facility near Zhukovsky air base, the Russian air force's top flight test center near Moscow. According to the newspaper, in April 2001 Viktor went to the U.S. Embassy in the unidentified ex-Soviet republic to seek information about a relative that has gone missing abroad. After leaving the embassy, he was found by local police sitting on a garden bench in shock and amnesia. Viktor was brought to Moscow where the FSB concluded that the U.S. Embassy officers had slipped him psychotropic drugs to get information out of him. The newspaper said that David Robertson, the Embassy official who met with Viktor, treated him with drinks and cookies while asking him "in-depth" questions about his work. "Within minutes, Viktor felt weakness and light trance," an apparent reaction to drugs, the newspaper reported. Under FSB control, Viktor received instructions in invisible ink allegedly delivered by Yunju Kensinger, reportedly a third secretary in the consular department of the U.S. Embassy in Moscow. On one occasion, the message began to melt away when Viktor tried to read it using special tablets and Russian tap water. FSB agents rushed to save it with bottled water, the newspaper said. In the first message, disguised as a juice pack, the alleged U.S. contacts sent him $10,000 in cash along with instructions to provide information about confidential documents received by his organization and data on Russia's latest air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles. After the FSB concocted a response, Viktor delivered it to Robertson in the same city where they first met. The newspaper said Viktor later received more cash and instructions from his handlers, but the FSB decided to end the operation after getting enough "factual evidence" of U.S. espionage activities. Komsomolskaya Pravda said Kensinger had already left Moscow -- the claim made Wednesday by the Interfax news agency and Russian television. The espionage accusation comes amid renewed U.S.-Russian tensions following a warm spell prompted by Russia's support of the U.S.-led anti-terror campaign. A former KGB spy in London, Mikhail Lyubimov, said the latest espionage allegations showed that the two countries remain interested in spying on each other despite better ties. "Now the main effort is to get military and technical information," he told Associated Press Television News. "Whatever our relations are, I think that both countries are experimenting with new weapons, trying to make them more effective and better, and therefore this competition will proceed." Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPh: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...three shall be the number to count, and the number to be counted shall be three.....four shall thou not count......five is right out". - M. Python -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5181 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 3:20pm Subject: Daily Moment of Zen - Good Morning (Modified to reflect contemporary wisdom) Daily Moment of Zen (Modified to reflect contemporary wisdom): 1. Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either. Just leave me the hell alone. 2. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a leaky tire. 3. It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. 4. Sex is like air. It's not important unless you aren't getting any. 5. Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted. 6. No one is listening until you fart. 7. Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else. 8. Never test the depth of the water with both feet. 9. If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments. 10. Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. 11. If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. 12. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. 13. If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it. 14. If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. 15. Some days you are the bug; some days you are the windshield. 16. Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time. 17. Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. 18. The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket. 19. A closed mouth gathers no foot. 20. Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. 21. There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works. 22. Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your lips are moving. 23. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. 24. Never miss a good chance to shut up. 25. We are born naked, wet, and hungry, and get slapped on our ass ... then things get worse . 26. The most wasted day of all is one in which we have not laughed -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPh: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...three shall be the number to count, and the number to be counted shall be three.....four shall thou not count......five is right out". - M. Python -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5182 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 3:03pm Subject: Re: Smaller is better At 10:20 PM +0200 4/11/02, A Grudko wrote: >Quote >> You know, I never thought I would ever see two men argue over who had >the >> smallest one of anything. >> Then someone invented mobile phones > >Just out of interest: what is the smallest stand-alone, self powered >functional room bug members have seen? In practical terms I think that the >difficulty of getting the thing in place and operational is more important >than size, but clients often ask. It's sort of a 'Ripley's' question. > >Andy Grudko - South Africa >D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 >International business intelligence and investigations - ICQ 146498943 >(+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) >SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust >When you need it done right - first time I heard that the CIA has perfected a method of concealing an eavesdropping device in the rectum. For some reason someone at ITC keeps referring to so-and-so at the Agency Tech Services as "having a serious bug up his ass" ..or perhaps I heard this wrong ;-) [greets to the lurkers from ITC] -jma -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPh: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...three shall be the number to count, and the number to be counted shall be three.....four shall thou not count......five is right out". - M. Python -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5183 From: gkeenan Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:51pm Subject: Re: Smaller is better Could be the guy is just an asshole :) (Oh, I should slap myself -- but I just couldn't pass that one up!!) Jerry Keenan ----- Original Message ----- From: "James M. Atkinson" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Smaller is better > At 10:20 PM +0200 4/11/02, A Grudko wrote: > >Quote > >> You know, I never thought I would ever see two men argue over who had > >the > >> smallest one of anything. > >> Then someone invented mobile phones > > > >Just out of interest: what is the smallest stand-alone, self powered > >functional room bug members have seen? In practical terms I think that the > >difficulty of getting the thing in place and operational is more important > >than size, but clients often ask. It's sort of a 'Ripley's' question. > > > >Andy Grudko - South Africa > >D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 > >International business intelligence and investigations - ICQ 146498943 > >(+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) > >SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust > >When you need it done right - first time > > > > I heard that the CIA has perfected a method of concealing an > eavesdropping device in the rectum. > > For some reason someone at ITC keeps referring to so-and-so at the > Agency Tech Services as "having a serious bug up his ass" > > ..or perhaps I heard this wrong ;-) > > > [greets to the lurkers from ITC] > > > -jma > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ > The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, > Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ > James M. Atkinson Ph: (978) 381-9111 > Granite Island Group Fax: > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 mailto:jmatk@tscm.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ > "...three shall be the number to count, and the number to be counted shall > be three.....four shall thou not count......five is right out". - M. Python > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------- > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 5184 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:25pm Subject: someone looking for high level scientists This was actually meant for the entire egroup. Tom is looking for assistance from the scientific community to build a new product line in a few phases. Please contact him directly if you're interested in this sort of business opportunity. Matt ------------------------------ Hi, I'm looking for someone that has spectrograph software or someone with a spectrograph willing to cooperate with me on a project. The final frequency analysis should be from someone with academic credentials, doctorate level, but anyone with a credible physics and electrical engineering degreed backgrounds should be able to handle it. Later I'm looking to acquire two tone generators & digital counters to duplicate and alter these frequencies. If anyone on this e-group has information that could assist me regarding the above said, please email me off line. Tom Apperson thomasapperson@m... www.American-Bodyguard.Com 503-254-1122 5185 From: Information Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:18pm Subject: Re: Smaller is better In reality, Winston Arrington did put together a device which was concealed in the vagina with the antenna wire concealed in the seams of a bikini. It was for use on topless beaches. I suppose it could have also been placed in the rectum. Talk about radiating a signal! Bill Elliott, CII ELLIOTT & ASSOCIATES, Ltd. (GMT -7) http://www.prvt-eye.com http://www.cybercrimeinternational.com > > I heard that the CIA has perfected a method of concealing an > eavesdropping device in the rectum. > > 5186 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:44am Subject: Re: Implantable tracking chips On 11 Apr 2002 at 21:33, A Grudko wrote: > 'Digital Angel' lands in China > Will implantable tracking chips be used by totalitarian government? > As WorldNetDaily first reported, Digital Angel is a sophisticated, > miniaturized tracking device intended by its manufacturer for > subdermal implantation in large numbers of human beings. The parent company of Digital Angel was hoaxed into acquiring them following presumably a staged demo. Digital Angel recently sent out several thousand press releases worldwide on their vaporware. A number of the magazines contacted me for comment, including Popular Science and Business 2.0, and, after interviewing me and verifying my info, will be publishing retractions. I've watched their ongoing scams with interest. People, even technical ones, are too willing to believe anything associated with GPS or lasers is akin to magic, and both the laws of physics and common sense goes out the window. Following is a piece I wrote on request for AFIO (Association of Former Intelligence Officers) after they, too, reprinted the vaporware press release not knowing any better. The WIN referenced below = Weekly Intelligence Notes. I forwarded a copy of the below to Digital Angel, and even offered to travel anywhere in the U.S. at my own expense to witness a demo of the product. I followed up with a phone call, getting nothing but voice mail, and never heard anything back from them. ====================== There have been a lot of press releases over the years about various flavors of covert GPS tracking systems. The 'Digital Angel' is one piece of vaporware which seems to resurface every few years. Allegedly, GPS location data will be received by a child's or geriatric's bracelet, pet's collar, small unit hidden inside a suitcase, the same inside an expensive set of golf clubs, and even biological implants. The GPS- derived location data somehow magically is transmitted, covertly, to a central monitoring station where authorities can be notified of the location of the missing or lost person, item, whatever, in realtime. Sounds good. Good enough, in fact, to attract hundreds of thousands of dollars of venture capital and seed money from persons who do not understand the technology but want to believe in the smoke and mirrors the peddlers of these systems claim. Well, the laws of physics can't be violated. Remember, the GPS receivers, in order to develop accurate ongoing location information, must have an antenna which will see a minimum of 4 GPS satellites (birds) simultaneously. For all practical purposes, this means the GPS receive antenna must see the horizon for 360 degrees. To accomplish this is nearly impossible in a covert application. Shading the antenna with a person's body, a vehicle, trees, buildings, etc. will block the view of the satellites most of the time. When a GPS receiver sees fewer than 4 birds, you have little more than an expensive stopwatch. Periodically, the GPS system using a covert antenna will manage to see 4 birds and get an accurate fix. Once it loses the view of 4 birds, however, the algorithm in the GPS engine switches over to dead reckoning. This means the GPS box will try to make its best guess of its current position by extrapolating from the last known valid fix it received. This is all well and good if the GPS is installed in a plane or a boat which tend to travel in straight lines. People and automobiles do not do this, however. So the extrapolation is invalid, meaning its best guess is WRONG. Then the problem further remains of how to telemeter these GPS- derived coordinates to the central station. This is another area where the peddlers of the system hide behind 'proprietaty' black magic. This can't be done. Transmitters need an antenna. They need size, They need batteries. All this means a package far too large to be contained in a bracelet or whatever. Some systems claim to use CDPD, or the cellular network, to uplink the location data. Without some size for the antenna, transmitter and batteries, this will not happen. Put the peddlers of these vaporware systems on the spot, and they hide behind the 'proprietary' veil again. This is their way of taking the 5th Amendment for not knowing the answer to how they uplink the alleged GPS-derived data to the monitoring station. The fact is, they aren't doing this, although many of them have become quite adept at staging phony demonstrations of the technology. The bottom line is: these GPS-based tracking systems, whether carried on a person or installed in a vehicle, can't possibly work when you consider all the physics and technical requirements involved. When Digital Angel refers to biological implants, the above further impeaches their claims. No exposed GPS or uplink antenna, size, battery, etc. all would be much more complicated as an implant than as a child's bracelet. This isn't the proper forum to go into detailed communications theory and why it is impossible for these vaporware systems to work as claimed. Suffice it to say they don't. They are hype. In a recent WIN, a mention was made of a WIRED magazine article on Digital Angel, pushing it as THE solution to personnel locating (abducted children always is good for a lot of press coverage), covert vehicle tracking, locating high value items likely to be stolen, etc. WIRED Magazine themselves exposed Digital Angel as a scam 3 years ago, in this article: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.10/spam.html. Apparently WIRED does not even read their own archives. Digital Angel has risen again, like a phoenix, from the ashes, ready to scam a whole new round of investors. Watch the website for the company mentioned in the most recent WIN. Soon the manufacturer will be soliciting investors to purchase 'distributorships' for a particular geographical area, country, etc. The cycle repeats. Learn from history or be doomed to repeat it! Potential investors, especially -- read that last sentence again! My company manufactures radio direction finding systems primarily for military and law enforcement, for tracking vehicles, narcotics shipments, arms shipments, hazardous waste shipments, etc. We have done this work all over the world, and have developed much of the RDF (Radio Direction Finding) technology now used in commercial and military applications. It's difficult to unwash the brains of persons who have succumbed to the heavy marketing and press release expenditures of fiction such as Digital Angel and other GPS-based covert tracking systems. GPS *is* suitable for fleet locating of vehicles on a non-covert basis, as well as many other clever and useful applications. However, for finding kidmapped children, stolen merchandise, etc., it's all smoke and mirrors. The dishonest peddlers of Digital Angel and similar vaporware capitalize on people's lack of understanding of the technology involved. They are adept at slinging around buzzwords, but cannot answer simple, basic questions about how the system actually works. Their excuse? 'Proprietary, sorry, can't release that information.' Anyone with a serious need for a system involving this sort of technology is welcome to contact me and engage us on a consulting basis. I can be reached best by email as Steve@s.... Our website Articles section also has some white papers on radio direction finding which may be of interest to persons researching this technology www.swssec.com. I would be pleased to meet with any peddlers of the Digital Angel product, witness a demo I control, and report back the results. If I am wrong, I most humbly will admit to such, and would be a most enthusiastic supporter of Digital Angel in its various permutations. Opinions expressed herein are mine only, and do not reflect upon AFIO in any way. (C) Feb 2002 by Steve Uhrig, SWS Security. ================== Steve Uhrig is President of SWS Security, a manufacturer of electronic surveillance and intelligence gathering systems for military, law enforcement and government since 1972. The company maintains facilities in ten countries, with headquarters in Maryland, USA. Steve is a recognized authority on electronic surveillance, accepted as an expert witness in numerous courts, and an acknowledged expert worldwide in electronic surveillance both in theory and in practice. The company has developed many of the systems and techniques now in widespread use in the industry in areas such as radio direction finding, video transmission, data, voice and communications technology. Steve Uhrig is a member of AFIO. ================== ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 5187 From: Paolo Sfriso Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 11:45am Subject: Wanted 2nd hand CPM-700 Dear Colleagues. A friend has asked me to find (for purchase) a 2nd hand CPM-700 or similar broadband countermeasures receiver. Is there anybody out there with a spare one on sale ? Kind Regards. Paul Sfriso Director GRUPPO S.I.T. Security, Investigations & Technology Quarto d'Altino, Venice ITALY phone +39 0422 828517 fax +39 0422 823224 24hr GSM cellphone +39 335 5257308 www.grupposit.com paulsfriso@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 5188 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 0:10am Subject: Silicon Valley's Spy Game http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/14/magazine/14TECHNO.html The New York Times Magazine April 14, 2002 Silicon Valley's Spy Game The post-boom high-tech industry has found a new backer -- the Office of Homeland Security. The mission is to help the government track its citizens the way Amazon tracks its customers. By JEFFREY ROSEN Jeffrey Rosen is an associate professor at George Washington University Law School and the legal affairs editor of The New Republic. His last article for The Times Magazine was about the growth of surveillance. Gilman Louie is one of the most successful computer-game developers of all time. ''I'm your classic entrepreneur,'' he told me recently. ''I started my first business with my fraternity brothers at San Francisco State.'' Louie, an amateur fighter pilot, had his first big success in 1987 with a game called Falcon, which allowed players to simulate the flight of an F-16. Falcon sold millions of copies, not only to teenage boys but also to pilots in the United States Air Force, who found it so realistic that it helped them learn to fly real fighter jets. Louie's biggest success came in 1988, when he imported from the Soviet Union an unexpectedly addictive game called Tetris, which became the best-selling computer game ever. ''Between Nintendo sales and PC sales, 70 or 80 million copies of that game sold,'' Louie says. ''We even found out that Hillary Clinton loved playing Tetris on the Game Boy.'' Lots of companies were impressed by Louie's success, including Hasbro, which put him in charge of creating its games Web site. And then in 1998, Louie was recruited by an even more powerful employer: the Central Intelligence Agency. ''The C.I.A. actually thought that my computer-game background was a valuable asset,'' Louie recalls. ''I look at the world as one big system -- one big game.'' The C.I.A. had just founded an unusual venture-capital firm called In-Q-Tel, and the agency wanted Louie to be the C.E.O. ''The 'Q' stands for the 'Q' factor -- it's named after the character in James Bond,'' says Louie. In-Q-Tel was the brainchild of George Tenet, the C.I.A. director, who believed that by investing $30 million a year in Internet startups in Silicon Valley, the C.I.A. could encourage the development of cutting-edge technologies that might be useful for national intelligence. Louie's marching orders were to provide venture capital for data-mining technologies that would allow the C.I.A. to monitor and profile potential terrorists as closely and carefully as Amazon monitors and profiles potential customers. The valley has long indulged its own antiestablishment mythology -- rebellious, libertarian hackers in their parents' garages, bucking the system by inventing world-changing, personally empowering technologies -- and Louie was worried that persuading programmers to collaborate with the C.I.A. would be ''borderline ludicrous.'' Despite his doubts, Louie agreed to open one In-Q-Tel office in Menlo Park, Calif., and another near Washington. He quickly discovered that far from recoiling at the idea of working with the C.I.A., Internet entrepreneurs flocked to his door. The chance to play with the government's cool toys trumped their fears of Big Brother. After the dot-com crash, Silicon Valley, desperate for venture capital, began to depend more and more on the federal government. Then came Sept. 11, and the establishment of the Office of Homeland Security. In-Q-Tel now finds itself just one of several deep-pocketed federally financed investors that are eager to back technological solutions to our new security challenges. The Bush administration is asking Congress for $38 billion for homeland security, and much of this money will be parceled out among competing federal agencies -- including the Defense Department and the F.B.I. -- which can then use the money either to invest directly in security technologies or to follow In-Q-Tel's model of providing venture capital to young companies in the private sector. Like the C.I.A., the Office of Homeland Security has concluded that the same technologies that were useful before Sept. 11 for tracking, profiling and targeting potential customers can be turned today on potential terrorists. In the wake of the bursting of the tech bubble and in the thick of the war on terrorism, Silicon Valley is reinventing itself as the new headquarters for the military-technological complex. As always, the entrepreneurs are following the money. In January, this led them to Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show, the largest trade show of futuristic gadgets in North America. After Sept.11, the conference organizers decided to sponsor a special exhibition hall at the Riviera Hotel for technologies that are especially well suited to homeland defense. That old familiar gold-rush feeling was in the air at the Riviera: one speaker estimated that federal spending on security technologies would grow by 30 percent a year, rising to $62 billion by 2006. (''God bless America'' read the PowerPoint slide, over an image of firefighters raising the flag.) In the buzzing exhibition hall, participants admired a hologram of the Statue of Liberty, as well as a man in a gigantic thumbprint costume, who had been hired by a company called DigitalPersona to advertise its fingerprint-recognition device. After displaying their wares, the technologists flocked to an In-Q-Tel reception near the exhibition hall, trolling for federal investors from the C.I.A.,F.B.I. and Defense Department. ''All we served was pot-stickers and 7-Up,'' Louie recalls, ''but people didn't want to leave.'' In Las Vegas, several companies predicted that profiling techniques that are now used to detect credit-card fraud could soon be used to detect potential terrorists. A few weeks later, this prediction turned out to be a reality, when The Washington Post reported that the federal aviation authorities and two technology companies called Accenture and HNC Software are planning to test at airports a profiling system designed to analyze each passenger's living arrangements, travel and real-estate history, along with a great deal of demographic, financial and other personal information. Using data-mining and predictive software, the government then plans to assign each passenger a ''threat index'' based on his or her resemblance to a terrorist profile. Passengers with high threat indexes will be flagged as medium or high risks and will be taken aside for special searches and questioning. Our system ''will check your associates,'' Brett Ogilvie of Accenture told Business Week. ''It will ask if you have made international phone calls to Afghanistan, taken flying lessons or purchased 1,000 pounds of fertilizer.'' The only problem: in order for the system to obtain answers to those questions, the nation's privacy laws will need to be relaxed. Federal laws currently restrict the personally identifiable information that the government can demand from credit-card and phone companies except as part of a specific investigation. When I called Brett Ogilvie to ask what data Accenture proposes to analyze, his spokeswoman, Stacey Jones, said that she couldn't reveal that information: it's a trade secret. ''Anyone who is interested in beating the system can, once we start divulging what the systems are,'' she explained. I said that I wasn't interested in the specific profiling factors; I only wanted to know whether Accenture proposed to include information in its database that the government isn't now permitted to examine. But Jones stuck to her script: ''National security and client confidentiality prohibits us from divulging what the factors are.'' Accenture's profiling scheme is open to question not only because it would almost certainly violate the privacy rights of airline passengers, but also because it seems unlikely to work. Investigators will tell you that people who commit credit-card fraud often fit a consistent profile -- using the stolen card to buy gas at self-service stations, for example, and then using it to buy clothes. By contrast, terrorists don't fit a consistent profile: you're looking for a needle in a haystack, but the color and the shape of the needle keep changing. Mohamed Atta might have been kept out of the country if immigration officials had been aware that there was a warrant for his arrest in Broward County, Florida. But Accenture's profiling system is not designed to check passengers against a watch list of suspected criminals or terrorists. Instead it is designed to compare the purchasing activities and personal behavior of millions of passengers with those exhibited in the past by a tiny group of terrorists -- to create a predictive profile of likely hijackers. Lawrence Lessig, who teaches law at Stanford and is the nation's leading authority on the law and architecture of cyberspace, argues that the Accenture system is unworkable. ''I can understand these massive data systems to deal with things like stealing from the government or not paying your taxes -- systematic repetitive large-scale deviations from the law,'' he says. ''The problem I really have with the terrorism stuff is, do we have any good reason to believe we could ever predict this type of behavior?'' Because the sample of known terrorists is so small, Lessig says, the profiles are bound to be inaccurate. The entrepreneurs of Silicon Valley are undaunted by questions about whether it makes sense to profile terrorists the way they profile e-business consumers; they haven't been so enthusiastic about a race to innovate since the height of the dot-com bubble. In the glory days of the late 90's, Silicon Valley was consumed by the search for the ''killer app,'' the software application that was just so cool and effective that everyone had to buy it. After Sept. 11, the consensus in the valley is that the national-security ''killer app'' will allow government agencies to access and share information about Americans that is currently stored in different databases -- from your chat-room gossip to your shopping history to your parking tickets, and perhaps even the payment history for your child-support checks. ''Today, every federal intelligence and law-enforcement agency and all manner of state and local bodies maintain their own separate databases on suspected criminals,'' Larry Ellison, the founder and C.E.O. of Oracle Corporation , wrote in The Wall Street Journal last October. ''Do we need more databases? No, just the opposite. The biggest problem today is that we have too many. The single thing we could do to make life tougher for terrorists would be to ensure that all the information in myriad government databases was integrated into a single national file.'' Oracle, in fact, is the world's largest database manufacturer, and Ellison offered to donate the software for a single national database free of charge to the United States government. (The company, Ellison added, would charge for upgrades and maintenance.) Oracle's office in Reston, Va., is near the headquarters of the C.I.A., which is appropriate enough: when Larry Ellison founded the company 25 years ago, his first client was the C.I.A., to whom he sold a program called Oracle, the world's first ''relational'' database. At that time, information in computer databases was stored in unrelated files: a company like Ford, for example, could keep one file of its employees and another file of its departments, but it had no easy way of relating the two files. Ellison saw the commercial potential of the relational database and began marketing it in 1979. By the height of the dot-com boom in 2000, Ellison's net worth had soared to $80 billion, making him (briefly) the richest person in the world. When I visited Oracle in January, the security guard in the lobby gave me a high-tech ID badge that could track where I was in the building at all times. I was ushered upstairs to a bright conference room where seven people were sitting around a huge oval table. One of them, David Carey, turned out to be the former No. 3 man at the C.I.A.; he had just retired as executive director after 32 years with the agency. Carey joined Oracle to head its new Information Assurance Center, which was founded in November to design homeland-security and disaster-recovery solutions and market them to the federal government. Like his colleagues, Carey was in an expansive mood. He said that the United States government accounted for 23 percent of Oracle's multibillion-dollar licensing revenue last year and that he expected the federal side of the business to improve after Sept. 11. ''How do you say this without sounding callous?'' he asked. ''In some ways, Sept. 11 made business a bit easier. Previous to Sept. 11, you pretty much had to hype the threat and the problem.'' Carey said that last summer, leaders in the public and private sector wouldn't sit still for a briefing. Then his face brightened. ''Now they clamor for it!'' After Sept. 11, Carey and Ellison held a series of top-level meetings in Washington about the use of Oracle technology for homeland security. ''In November, Larry had a serious discussion with Vice President Cheney, and I met with Ridge, Ashcroft and Mueller,'' Carey says, referring to the director of the Office of Homeland Security, the attorney general and the director of the F.B.I. I asked to see an example of Oracle's new homeland-security technology, and I was ushered into a demonstration hall outside the conference room that looked like something out of the last ''Star Wars'' movie. ''I'll give you an overview of 'Leaders,''' said Brian Jones, then the head of Oracle's health-care consulting unit. ''It stands for Lightweight Epidemiology Advanced Detection and Emergency Response System.'' By collecting health-care information from hospital emergency rooms across the country, Leaders is designed to monitor outbreaks of suspicious diseases and provide early warnings for biological attacks. At 9:20 a.m. on Sept. 11, Jones had received a phone call from the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, which feared that the attack on the twintowers might be followed by a bioterrorism attack. Working for 10 straight hours, Jones put into his computer the address of every hospital in New York State, to detect unusual disease outbreaks, like smallpox. ''Every hospital was capable of submitting data to a repository,'' he explained. ''The Centers for Disease Control's experts could sit back in Atlanta and pull up a map just like I'm showing you here.'' Jones punched a key and a digital map of New York City appeared on the screen. Using a combination of 7,500 digital photographs and architectural plans of more than 6,000 miles of underground pipes, Oracle has created a detailed map of every building, sewer and water line and curb in the city. By the evening of Sept. 11, Jones was ready to monitor every emergency-room bed in the state. Oracle is now working with the federal government to apply the same surveillance system to hospitals throughout the country. The system would allow hospitals to report incidents of suspicious diseases like anthrax, smallpox and Ebola to a central database. The program can then send out e-mail or voice-mail alerts to law-enforcement officials if it detects suspicious patterns of diseases anywhere in the country. Steve Cooperman, Oracle's new director of homeland security, said, ''We're going to build a bioterrorism shield, so eventually everyone is going to have to participate -- every hospital, every clinic, every lab.'' The prospect of every hospital in America reporting your medical condition to a central Oracle database might cause some patients alarm. (Oracle insists that the information can be stored in ways that can't be linked to individual patients.) The same potential for invasions of privacy is raised by Larry Ellison's proposal to centralize all of the separate criminal databases run by federal and state authorities into a single national database. After we filed back into the conference room, David Carey explained that Oracle is already discussing with various federal agencies methods of sharing information that are currently restricted by law. ''We think of it as a triangle,'' said Tim Hoechst, a senior vice president for technology at Oracle, holding up a Dorito. ''At one corner is privacy, at one corner is assurance of security -- how safe is the data -- and at another corner is usability. It's all a matter of trade-offs. What we focus on is making the Dorito here, and putting you in any corner that you feel comfortable with. On Sept. 12, most Americans would say, Privacy out the window; go catch the folks. So we would have moved it all the way to usability. But maybe day to day, we move it a little bit more toward security.'' As the databases are consolidated, I asked, who should decide the proper balance between privacy and access? How do you avoid a situation in which someone could be kept off a plane because he had skipped jury duty or had an overdue parking ticket? A hush fell over the room, and people looked awkwardly at their sandwiches. Finally Hoechst spoke up. ''You'll notice that we all became suspiciously quiet when we started talking about policy questions,'' he said. ''At Oracle, we leave that to our customers to decide. We become a little stymied when we start talking about the 'should wes' and the 'whys' and the 'hows,' because it's not our expertise.'' The Tom Lehrer song about the Nazi rocket scientist who defected to America popped into my head: ''Once ze rockets are up, who cares where they come down?/That's not my department,' says Wernher von Braun.'' ''I expect that if you ask Larry Ellison the question he'd give you a much better answer,'' one of Hoechst's associates chimed in. Hoechst agreed. ''My experience with him is that he knows an extraordinary amount about a lot of things. Every time I think I know something, he knows much more. He's read more books on it.'' So I set off for Silicon Valley to meet Larry Ellison. The Oracle campus near the San Francisco airport is known as the Emerald City, for its artificial lakes and silo-shaped towers of glass and silver. Ellison's private palace, however, is a $30 million mansion in nearby Atherton, modeled on the Katsura Imperial Villa in Kyoto. I was checked in there by two bodyguards with dark shirts and dark tans and escorted into the house to wait. The living room was large and airy, with lots of blond wood and shoji screens. It overlooked a beautiful Japanese garden, where ducks swam and waterfalls shimmered. Ellison appeared a few minutes later from behind one of the screens, wearing a pressed charcoal suit over a black turtleneck. He appeared fit and tanned, with piercing hazel eyes and a trimmed beard slightly flecked with gray. He suggested that we talk in the garden, but the loud whine of a neighbor's mulcher made this impossible. (In Silicon Valley, even $30 million doesn't buy you quiet.) Defeated by the noise, we retreated to the dining room, with its high-backed black lacquer chairs and black lacquer table. Ellison is not a shy or enigmatic billionaire. He is entertainingly indiscreet -- he answered every question with a torrent of confident opinions. ''The Oracle database is used to keep track of basically everything,'' he said. ''The information about your banks, your checking balance, your savings balance is stored in an Oracle database. Your airline reservation is stored in an Oracle database. What books you bought on Amazon is stored in an Oracle database. Your profile on Yahoo is stored in an Oracle database.'' Much of the information in these separate commercial databases is also centralized in large databases maintained by credit-card companies like TRW to detect fraud and to decide whether customers should get credit at the mall. When it comes to government data, by contrast, there are hundreds of separate, disconnected databases. ''The huge problem is the fragmented data,'' he said. ''We knew Mohamed Atta was wanted. It's just that we didn't check the right database when he came into the country.'' Ellison wants to consolidate the hundreds of separate state and federal databases into a single Oracle database, using the centralized credit-card databases as a model. ''We already have this large centralized database to keep track of where you work, how much you earn, where your kids go to school, were you late on your last mortgage payment, when's the last time you got a raise,'' he said. ''Well, my God, there are hundreds of places we have to look to see if you're a security risk.'' He dismissed the risks of privacy violations: ''I really don't understand. Central databases already exist. Privacy is already gone.'' As Ellison spoke, it occurred to me that he was proposing to reconstruct America's national security strategy along the lines of Oracle's business model. When Oracle moved its business to the Internet in 1995, Ellison complained that its customer information was scattered across hundreds of separate databases, which meant that the German office couldn't share information about customers with the French office. By consolidating 130 separate databases into a single database on the Internet, Ellison said, Oracle saved a billion dollars a year and found it easier to track, monitor and discriminate among its customers. This was what Ellison now wanted to do for America. I asked if there would be any controls on access to the database. For example, would Ellison want people to be kept off a plane because they were late on their alimony payments? ''Oh, no, I don't think we would keep anyone off on alimony payments,'' Ellison said. ''But if the system designed to catch terrorists also catches mere bank robbers and deadbeat dads, that's O.K. I think that's a good thing. I don't think it's a bad thing.'' There are, at the moment, legal restrictions prohibiting the sharing of data by government agencies. The most important restriction was passed in 1974, to prevent President Nixon from ordering dragnet surveillance of Vietnam protesters and searching for their youthful marijuana arrests. I asked Ellison whether these legal restrictions should be relaxed. ''Oh, absolutely,'' he said. ''I mean absolutely. The prohibitions are absurd. It's this fear of an all-too-powerful government rising up and snatching away our liberties.'' Since Sept. 11, Ellison argued, those qualms no longer make any sense: ''It's our lives that are at risk, not our liberties,'' he said. Ellison proposes to link the central government database to a system of digital identification cards that would be optional for citizens but mandatory for aliens. He wants each card holder to provide a thumbprint or iris scan that would be stored in the central database. I recalled that Lawrence Lessig of Stanford Law School had explained to me that a national fingerprint database was probably the most invasive of all possible designs for an identification system, because it would allow the government to dust for fingerprints in a nightclub or a protest scene and identify everyone who was there. I asked Ellison why the government couldn't minimize these privacy concerns by storing the fingerprint on the ID card. Ellison dismissed the suggestion. ''Everyone's got this amorphous idea that the government will somehow misuse this,'' he said, ''but no one has given me a substantive example of what will happen that's bad.'' I tried again. What about the centralized storage of health information, as Oracle was proposing to do with the Leaders system. Would Ellison wantgovernment officials to have access to personally identifiable genetic information? ''I feel like Alice has fallen through the looking glass,'' Ellison said. His voice rose; he was starting to get a little testy. ''Does this other database bother you here? We can't touch that database because I won't be able to use my credit card. Like, I won't be able to go to the mall!'' He took on the voice of Sean Penn's stoner from ''Fast Times at Ridgemont High.'' ''Like, that's really disturbing. Like, don't mess with my mall experience. O.K., so people have to die over here without this, but that's not going to affect my experience going to the mall.'' He exhaled, and in his regular billionaire voice asked, ''I mean, what the hell is going on?'' Ellison said he was late for an appointment at Intel and started to make motions to leave. I tried one more question. Were there no differences between Oracle and the United States government, I asked, that should make us hesitate before centralizing all of our national databases using Oracle as a model? ''From the information-science standpoint, there's no difference at all,'' he replied. ''These central databases are cheaper and better and they solve all these problems. We can manage credit risks that way. We should be managing security risks in exactly the same way.'' It's not surprising, of course, that Larry Ellison sincerely believes that what's good for Oracle is good for America. But there are, in fact, differencesbetween an e-business and the American government, differences that perhaps should make us hesitate before reconstructing America along the business model of the Oracle Corporation. ''Depending on how these technologies are designed, they can respect traditional values of liberty or not,'' says Lawrence Lessig, ''and whether they do depends on the values that drive the designers and the institutions we build to check the design.'' Although Lessig's path-breaking book ''Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace'' argues that it's possible to design technologies that protect privacy and security at the same time, he has become pessimistic that Silicon Valley, left to its own devices, will get the balance right. ''The reality is that all the market power is going to be on the side of delivering the security, and there's no strong claim on the other side for delivering the privacy,'' he says. ''There's no court that will stand up and push the demand for heightened review for privacy, and there's no politician. And then you have Larry Ellison types riding in with the glow of the market. He's like a rich version of a North Korean dictator.'' Here, then, is the Catch-22 of the integrated databases that are being constructed in the wake of Sept. 11: the technologists want the politicians to decide the balance between privacy and security, but because the technology is so complicated and unfamiliar, very few politicians seem up to the task. I visited Maria Cantwell, the newly elected senator from the state of Washington and perhaps the most technologically savvy member of the Senate. (She complains that Congressional rules prohibit her from taking her BlackBerry wireless communicator onto the Senate floor but allow her to use a spittoon.) Cantwell learned about the importance of Internet privacy as an executive for RealNetworks , which markets one of the most popular Internet music players. In 1999, RealNetworks got into trouble when privacy advocates noticed that the player could send information to RealNetworks about the music each user downloaded. RealNetworks had the capability to match this data with a Globally Unique Identifier, or GUID, that exposed the user's identity. Although RealNetworks insisted that it had never, in fact, matched the music data with the GUID, the company was eager to avoid a public-relations disaster, and so it quickly disabled the GUID. The experience helped turn Cantwell into a crusader for privacy, but her time in the Senate has made her more pessimistic that her colleagues in Congress have the understanding or inclination to regulate technology in a meaningful way. ''What I don't think people realize is that we are just at the tip of the iceberg,'' she told me. ''I think they're trying to be prescriptive on some very basic things, not understanding the world that's yet to come. I try to explain some of the new technology to my colleagues'' -- by which she means her fellow senators. ''You're going to be able to be driving and say, 'Hey, take me to the nearest Starbucks ,' and they all think that's great. And then I say, but it also might be stored in a database that may also be able to track where you were at 2 o'clock in the morning.'' Cantwell worries that her Senate colleagues are so swept up in the search for a technological solution to our security problems that regulating access to the databases isn't on their agenda. ''I mean, databases can become a threat in themselves if you don't think through the right safeguards,'' she said. ''People are getting enamored with the power of the technology and not thinking through the privacy issues and how they might apply.'' In the face of Congressional indifference and judicial passivity, it has fallen to the technologists to sort out the appropriate balance between liberty and security. But this is a challenge that the technologists are ill equipped -- by culture and temperament -- to meet. The gonzo entrepreneurs of Silicon Valley like to think of themselves as antigovernment libertarians; the business nostrums of the precrash era assumed that the Internet would lead inevitably to the end of hierarchy and centralized authority and the flourishing of individual creativity. When the e-business technologies of tracking, classifying, profiling and monitoring were used to identify the preferences of American consumers and to mirror back to each of us a market-segmented version of ourselves, Silicon Valley could argue that it was serving the cause of freedom and individual choice. But when the same software applications are used by the government to track, classify, profile and monitor American citizens, they become not technologies of liberty but technologies of state surveillance and discrimination. They threaten the ability of Americans to define their identity in the future free from government predictions based on their behavior in the past. Far from leading inevitably to the end of centralized authority, the age of the Internet turns out to include powerful economic and political forces that are determined to centralize as much information about individuals as possible. The technology for integrated databases already exists, waiting to be activated by the flip of a switch. In the wake of Sept. 11, few politicians or judges seem willing to keep the forces of centralization in check. And no one should count on the technologists to police themselves. I had one last question for Larry Ellison. ''In 20 years, do you think the global database is going to exist, and will it be run by Oracle?'' I asked. ''I do think it will exist, and I think it is going to be an Oracle database,'' he replied. 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Python -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5189 From: Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 3:07am Subject: File - mission.txt TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List - Dedicated to TSCM specialists engaging in expert technical and analytical research for the detection, nullification, and isolation of eavesdropping devices, wiretaps, bugging devices, technical surveillance penetrations, technical surveillance hazards, and physical security weaknesses. This also includes bug detection, bug sweep, and wiretap detection services. Special emphasis is given to detecting and countering espionage and other threats and activities directed by foreign intelligence services against the United States Government, United States corporations, establishments, and citizens. The list includes technical discussion regarding the design and construction of SCIF facilities, Black Chambers, and Screen Rooms. This list is also for discussing DIAM 50-3, NSA-65, and DCID 1/21, 1/22 compliance. The primary goal and mission of this list is to "raise the bar" and increase the level of professionalism present within the TSCM business. The secondary goal of this list is and increase the quality and effectiveness of our efforts so that we give spies and eavesdroppers no quarter, and to neutralize all of their espionage efforts. This mailing list is moderated by James M. Atkinson and sponsored by Granite Island Group as a public service to the TSCM, Counter Intelligence, and technical security community. 5190 From: Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 3:07am Subject: File - Gold List The current version of this list may be found at: http://www.tscm.com/goldlist.html Recommended U.S. TSCM Firms The following is a list of private TSCM firms who specialize in "bug sweeps" and wiretap detection and all of whom have legitimate TSCM training, credentials, and equipment (all are very well respected within the industry). While most TSCM specialists are available for travel outside of a specific geographic area they tend to avoid such engagements, or will limited the services to vulnerability analysis, pre-construction assistance, non-instrumented inspections, simple RF checks, in-place monitoring, or limited TSCM services involving only a briefcase sized in-place monitoring system (such as a single spectrum analyzer, MSS, Eagle, ScanLock, OSCOR, SPECTRE, ROSE, or similar system). These private TSCM firms tend to operate in a specific geographic area limited to a few hundred miles (usually within a four to six hour automobile drive). However, all of the TSCM firms listed here are available for travel anywhere in the United States or the World on short notice, but only provide limited services when operating outside of their normal coverage area. This limited coverage area is due to the logistics involved in transporting hundreds and often thousands of pounds of sophisticated, highly sensitive electronic instruments, equipment and tools. Bug sweeps and wiretap detection involves the use of ladders, pole climbing equipment, LAN analyzers, X-ray systems, large antennas and other equipment which is not easily transported by airplane. TSCM firms also tend to restrict their operations to a specific geographic area to facilitate an expert level of knowledge regarding the RF environment, construction methods used, community zoning, population demographics, civil engineering, aeronautic or maritime facilities, local military bases, and related areas. Knowledge of such regional information is critical for a successful TSCM project. The TSCM specialist must also have an intimate knowledge of the telephone systems, engineering methods, fiber optics, major cable locations, central office switches, test numbers, and related communications infrastructure present or being used in an area (which tends to be very regional). An understanding of what types of eavesdropping devices, methods, and frequencies are being used in an area is also important, as is a knowledge of what type of surveillance equipment is being sold within that region (and other areas). The TSCM Procedural and Protocols Guides used by a specialist also tend to be based on specific issues and variables present in that specific geographic area. On a more interesting note, many of these firms are located in, or near major maritime port cities. The heaviest concentrations are around major cities on the East and West coasts with a very limited presence in the Mid-West, Great Plains, and Rockies. If you are in the Mid-West, Great Plains, or Rockies area you would need to engage a TSCM firm from one of the major port cities. For example customers in Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, Denver, Salt Lake City, Minneapolis, Billings, etc. would need to fly a TSCM specialist in from Boston, New York, Washington DC, Los Angles, Lexington, or Seattle. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please be patient when contacting these firms, as if they are out serving a client they may not be able to return your call for several hours. Rates generally are non-negotiable and reflect the cost of the sweep practitioner's time, investment in equipment acquisition and maintenance, several weeks of in-service training a year, travel, administrative and communications time and expense to coordinate the sweep and written report, and a fair profit for their services. It is very unwise to shop for sweeps by using price as a criteria as it only invites getting ripped off. Legitimate TSCM professionals are not interested in, nor will then engage in negotiating for a lower price. When you contact persons on this list, you are talking with someone in the same league as an attorney or surgeon, not a salesman. In fact most of the people listed on this page have more time in their specialized training than do most attorneys or medical professionals. Anything beyond an initial phone call usually will be billable time. Attorneys and doctors don't consult for free, and neither do legitimate TSCM specialists. If a potential client calls with a long list of questions not pertaining directly to hiring the practitioner, or wants to know how to do his own sweep, or wants to know how to use the sweep kit he purchased on his own, expect to pay an hourly rate in advance for consulting services. If you are considering engaging (or have already engaged) a TSCM firm and they are not listed in the following directory you would do well to immediately ask some awkward questions. It is also important you understand that legitimate services by a competent TSCM firm rarely start at less then several thousand dollars for even a basic sweep. Keep in mind that there only a small number of legitimate and competent TSCM counterintelligence specialists or "Bug Sweepers" in the U.S. private sector. Legitimate TSCM firms are in very high demand, hard to find, and expensive; so be patient when trying to find one to help you. Also, the firms listed on this page are not attorneys and cannot tell you whether it is legal or illegal for you to monitor your own phones. Always call a competent licensed attorney for legal advice. Without exception, no one listed here performs eavesdropping services or sells surveillance equipment to any other than government agencies AND WILL NOT REFER YOU TO ANYONE WHO DOES. When you contact any of the following firms please mention that you saw them listed on this web site. This file is set to automatically go out to list members every two weeks, Please review it, and ensure that you are listed properly (correct address, phone, etc). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ All of New England, Upstate New York, and the Boston Metropolitan Area (MA, RI, CT, VT, NH, ME, New York State including Long Island, and some of New Jersey) James M. 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Box 4264 San Rafael, CA 94913 (415) 492-1594 Telephone E-mail: walsingham@c... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Los Angeles Metropolitan Area, Beverly Hills, Orange County, Los Angles County, San Diego County (also, Riverside County, and Ventura County) Rick Hofmann Microsearch LLC P.O. Box 2084 Cypress, CA 90630 (714) 952-3812 Telephone URL: http://home.earthlink.net/~microsearch E-mail: tscmsweeps@e... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Los Angeles Metropolitan Area, Beverly Hills, Orange County, Los Angles County, San Diego County (also, Riverside County, and Ventura County) Roger Tolces Electronic Security 6646 Hollywood Blvd. #212 Los Angeles, CA 90028 (323) 462-1351 Telephone URL: http://www.bugsweeps.com/ E-mail: info@b... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5191 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 9:28am Subject: Re: Wanted 2nd hand CPM-700 At 6:45 PM +0200 4/13/02, Paolo Sfriso wrote: >Dear Colleagues. > >A friend has asked me to find (for purchase) a 2nd hand CPM-700 or >similar broadband countermeasures receiver. > >Is there anybody out there with a spare one on sale ? > >Kind Regards. > >Paul Sfriso >Director >GRUPPO S.I.T. >Security, Investigations & Technology >Quarto d'Altino, Venice >ITALY > >phone +39 0422 828517 >fax +39 0422 823224 >24hr GSM cellphone +39 335 5257308 >www.grupposit.com >paulsfriso@t... The used ones are fine, but you will be much happier with a new one with all the probes. The price difference between a new and used one is minimal, and you will get everything you need at once. If you buy a used system you may or may not get all the items you need to use the instrument (ie: the magnetic and infrared probes). If cost is an issue let me know and I will arrange for you to get a NEW one for a good price, and we will pick the shipping and handling to your location in Italy. This way you will save quite a bit of money on shipping, and will get new equipment for a good price. We have details on the following page on our website: http://www.tscm.com/cpm700a.html You may also find the Kaiser 2044 and/or 2057 to be helpful as well. -jma -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPh: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...three shall be the number to count, and the number to be counted shall be three.....four shall thou not count......five is right out". - M. Python -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5192 From: Steve Whitehead Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:01pm Subject: Denel theft puts security establishment at risk " Johannesburg - South Africa's security establishment could be at risk after last week's theft of key equipment from state-owned arms company Denel. Thieves broke into Denel headquarters and stole computer disks containing production information on the Rooivalk attack helicopter. Security analysts said that although it would be futile to point fingers at any particular group for the theft, the incident had exposed shortcomings in the security of key national institutions. "It is unimaginable that somebody could break into a key institution like that and take such vital data without being detected," said an analyst, who wanted to remain anonymous. Thieves forcibly entered the Denel Aviation Military Aircraft division's premises in Kempton Park last weekend and stole 22 desktop computers, three laptops and an overhead projector. The stolen computer hard drive apparently contained data on the top-secret Rooivalk helicopter and some information on Hawk jet fighter components, which Denel was manufacturing for UK-based BAE Systems. Peter Gastrow, the director of the Institute for Security Studies, said the motive for the burglary appeared to be far more than met the eye. "One must assume that far more sophisticated motives were behind it, including espionage. That information could be used by Denel competitors or rivals," he said. "We should not underestimate the extend of such criminal acts." Denel deputy chief executive Max Sisulu said entry was gained by digging a trench beneath an electrified, concrete-base, triple perimeter fence. He said the theft must have been carried out by people who knew the premises very well, because the power for the electric fencing had been on during and after the burglary. "The Denel Aviation site is a national key point and conforms to the security requirements of the National Key Point Act. "All relevant security systems were in operational order at the time of the burglary," he said. Sisulu said the information stolen on the computers related to operational production and logistic support issues such as parts lists, production routing and schedules. However, he said no blueprints had been stolen. "No secret information such as performance specifications, operational abilities or commercially sensitive information was contained in these computers. "It has been confirmed that all information which could be considered sensitive is intact and appropriately protected," said Sisulu. The police and the National Intelligence Agency were investigating the theft and an internal probe had been launched, the company said. The Rooivalk - Afrikaans for "red hawk" - is a modern attack helicopter manufactured exclusively by Denel. It carries a comprehensive range of state-of-the-art weaponry. It can engage multiple targets at short and long range, using its nose-mounted cannon and a range of underwing-mounted munitions. The SA Air Force has ordered 16 Rooivalk AH-2s, the first of which entered service in July 1999. The final delivery is scheduled for June 2002" Story at http://www.busrep.co.za/html/busrep/br_frame_decider.php?click_id=343&art_id=ct20020413184050918S535235&set_id=60 Steve Whitehead E-mail : sceptre@m... Tel (012) 664-3157 Fax (012) 664-3180 International (+2712) P O Box 16063, Lyttelton, 0140, Centurion, South Africa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]