From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Sun May 14, 2000 3:42pm Subject: Just in case you thought you were having a bad day!! 1. The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were released back into the wild amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later, in full view, they were both eaten by a killer whale. 2. A psychology student in New York rented out her spare room to a carpenter in order to nag him constantly and study his reactions. After weeks of needling, he snapped and beat her repeatedly with an axe leaving her mentally retarded. 3. In 1992, Frank Perkins of Los Angeles made an attempt on the world flagpole-sitting record. Suffering from the flu he came down eight hours short of the 400 day record, his sponsor had gone bust, his girlfriend had left him and his phone and electricity had been cut off. 4. A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen, shaking frantically with what looked like a wire running from his waist towards the electric kettle. Intending to jolt him away from the deadly current, she whacked him with a handy plank of wood by the back door, breaking his arm in two places. Until that moment, he had been happily listening to his walkman. 5. Two animal rights protesters were protesting at the cruelty of sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn. Suddenly the pigs, all two thousand of them, escaped through a broken fence and stampeded, trampling the two hapless protesters to death. And finally....... 6. Iraqi terrorist, Khay Rahnajet, didn't pay enough postage on a letter bomb. It came back with "return to sender" stamped on it. Forgetting it was the bomb, he opened it and was blown to bits. -jma =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@tscm.com =================================================================== "...any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke =================================================================== 303 From: Date: Sun May 14, 2000 11:49am Subject: Re: a quick question The manufacturer of the antenna cam viewing through the antenna shaft was/is the Olympus corporation. M. 304 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Sun May 14, 2000 3:51pm Subject: HOW TO KEEP A HEALTHY LEVEL OF INSANITY HOW TO KEEP A HEALTHY LEVEL OF INSANITY 1) At lunch time, sit in your parked car and point a hair dryer at passing cars to see if they slow down. 2) Page yourself over the intercom. (Don't disguise your voice) 3) Insist that your e mail address is: Xena-goddess-of-fire@c... Elvis-the-King@c.... 4) Every time someone asks you to do something, ask if they want fries with that. 5) Encourage your colleagues to join you in a little synchronized chair dancing. 6) Put your garbage can on your desk and label it "IN." 7) Develop an unnatural fear of staplers. 8) Put decaf in the coffee maker for 3 weeks. Once everyone has gotten over their caffeine addictions, switch to espresso. 9) In the memo field of all your checks, write 'for sexual favors.' 10) Reply to everything someone says with, "That's what you think." 11) Finish all your sentences with "In accordance with the prophecy." 12) Adjust the tint on your monitor so that the brightness level lights up the entire work area. Insist to others that you like it that way. 13) Don't use any punctuation 14) As often as possible, skip rather than walk. 15) Ask people what sex they are. 16) Specify that your drive-through order is "to go." 17) Sing Along at the opera. 18) Go to a poetry recital and ask why the poems don't rhyme. 19) Find out where your boss shops and buy exactly the same outfits. Wear them one day after your boss does. (This is especially effective if your boss is the opposite gender.) 20) Send e-mail to the rest of the company to tell them what you're doing. For example: If anyone needs me, I'll be in the bathroom. 21) Put mosquito netting around your cubicle. 22) Five days in advance, tell your friends you can't attend their party because you're not in the mood 23) Call 911 and ask if 911 is for emergencies 24) Call the psychic hotline and just say, "Guess" 25) Have your coworkers address you by your wrestling name, Rock Hard. 26) When the money comes out of the ATM, scream "I Won!", "I Won!" "3rd time this week!!!" 27) When leaving the Zoo, start running towards the parking lot, yelling "Run for your lives, they're loose!" 28) Tell your boss, "It's not the voices in my head that bother me, its the voices in your head that do" 29) Tell your children over dinner. "Due to the economy, we are going to have to let one of you go" 30) Every time you see a broom yell "Honey, your mother is here" =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@tscm.com =================================================================== "...any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke =================================================================== 305 From: Mike F Date: Sun May 14, 2000 11:06am Subject: RE: How many West Point graduates does it take Hey guys Chill. My Best Exfriend's Son is at West Point,he made the DEAN's List. I think thats GREAT. But thats just my opinion. L8R4,Mike f. How many West Point graduates does it take Well, since you asked... 1. The assertion that "the brightest and best" are the ones that get sent to the service academies is debatable if not arrogant. 2. The assumption that a graduate from a service academy is automatically a "leader" is an overstatement. Being well-educated does not automatically equate with being a leader. 3. If the service academy graduates are unable to lead those who now are not even required to finish high school, and presumably who are in need of leadership as distinguished from management, then perhaps the service academies are not turning out leaders after all. 4. During their four years in a service academy, the graduates lived in a very rigid, very structured, very demanding academic environment of peers. They have also been relatively isolated from day-to-day interaction with the very people they will be expected to lead...you know, those who are not even required to finish high school. To answer your question, "What is wrong with this picture," my answer is: We take service academy graduates and commission them as officers. My opinion is that service academy graduates should be required to serve a hitch as an E-4 or E-5 NCO and demonstrate that they have the necessary traits of loyalty, integrity, discretion, morals, character and leadership (not to mention humility) before being commissioned. If they are truly devoted to a career of military service, they won't allow themselves to lose their academic edge during their enlistment, and they will gain a much improved understanding of human interaction. That's important, because the "people who are now not even required to finish high school" are human, a rather important fact that more than one "instant officer" has failed to acquire in a service academy or OCS. It is also worth pointing out that in combat, more than one officer has had his bacon (and career) saved by people who were not then even required to finish high school either. Paul Curtis wrote: > Isn't it too bad that we take the brightest and best, send them off to > West > Point and the other service academies, teach them engineering, tactics, > law, > physics, math, etc., and then send them out into the field to lead people > > who now are not even required to finish high school? What is wrong with > this picture? > > PC > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you know that eGroups offers calendars, group polls, storage files and more. Check out these great features at: http://click.egroups.com/1/3938/1/_/507420/_/958320043/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L or email your subscription request to: subTSCM-L@t... =================================================== TSKS 306 From: Andre Holmes <1ach@g...> Date: Sun May 14, 2000 1:23pm Subject: Re: a quick question Hello Mike F it is true the camera can see 360 degrees is mounted on top of the antenna. It is designed to look like a car radio antenna and is sold to police types. -----Original Message----- From: Mike F To: TSCM- Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: [TSCM-L] a quick question >A person asked me about covert camera that ANTENNA. >This person said he saw it on a web site. >Do you know the web address? >Have you ever heard of camera in ANTENNA? >I know the are in Pagers,wristwatches and even eyeglasses but I cannot >recall seeing a camera in an ANTENNA. >Any help would be appreciated. >Later4,mike f > > > >Michael T. Fiorentino >Syracuse,NY 13206 > >"CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING" >This electronic message contains information which may be privileged >and/or confidential. The information is intended for use only by the >individual(s) >or entity named/indicated above. If you are not the identified/intended >recipient, be aware that >any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this >message/information is prohibited. If you are not the indicated recipient or >have >received this message in error contact our offices immediately for >instructions." > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >IT Professionals: Match your unique skills with the best IT projects at >http://click.egroups.com/1/3381/1/_/507420/_/958320041/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... >=================================================== TSKS > 307 From: Andre Holmes <1ach@g...> Date: Sun May 14, 2000 1:23pm Subject: Re: a quick question Hello Mike F it is true the camera can see 360 degrees is mounted on top of the antenna. It is designed to look like a car radio antenna and is sold to police types. -----Original Message----- From: Mike F To: TSCM- Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: [TSCM-L] a quick question >A person asked me about covert camera that ANTENNA. >This person said he saw it on a web site. >Do you know the web address? >Have you ever heard of camera in ANTENNA? >I know the are in Pagers,wristwatches and even eyeglasses but I cannot >recall seeing a camera in an ANTENNA. >Any help would be appreciated. >Later4,mike f > > > >Michael T. Fiorentino >Syracuse,NY 13206 > >"CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING" >This electronic message contains information which may be privileged >and/or confidential. The information is intended for use only by the >individual(s) >or entity named/indicated above. If you are not the identified/intended >recipient, be aware that >any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this >message/information is prohibited. If you are not the indicated recipient or >have >received this message in error contact our offices immediately for >instructions." > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >IT Professionals: Match your unique skills with the best IT projects at >http://click.egroups.com/1/3381/1/_/507420/_/958320041/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... >=================================================== TSKS > 308 From: J Gomez <1upserv@g...> Date: Mon May 1, 2000 6:02am Subject: Re: a quick question CCS International develop?market such a piece of kit. Surely well overpriced, anyone is able to buy the components and fit them to the application required. Not too tough, we do it all the time, furthermore the basic components are used over and over again... Joe ---------- > From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng > To: TSCM-L@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] a quick question > Date: 14 May 2000 18:10 > > At 10:05 AM -0400 5/12/00, Mike F wrote: > >A person asked me about covert camera that ANTENNA. > >This person said he saw it on a web site. > >Do you know the web address? > >Have you ever heard of camera in ANTENNA? > >I know the are in Pagers,wristwatches and even eyeglasses but I cannot > >recall seeing a camera in an ANTENNA. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Later4,mike f > > > > Several companies offer what is effectively a borescope concealed > inside a telescoping AM/FM automobile antenna. It is of little > practical value, but gets all kinds of "oohs and ahhs" from the > public. > > There are also magnetic mount antennas which have a camera installed > in the based. > > In reality is makes better tradecraft to simply install several CCD > cameras inside the vehicle and to switch between them as needed. > > -jma > > > =================================================================== > Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? > =================================================================== > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 > Granite Island Group > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@tscm.com > =================================================================== > "...any sufficiently advanced technology is > indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke > =================================================================== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup > Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. > Install today: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2344/1/_/507420/_/958320949/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS 309 From: Date: Sun May 14, 2000 4:15pm Subject: Re: a quick question Bill; a long time back i remember viewing some articles that showed a KGB camera hidden inside a woman's nipple. that had to be the best subterfuge ever! micro tech has come a long way, would not be surprised to see cameras on the head of a needle! move over angels! by the way the new US embassy is set to open in Moscow soon after years of delay ,as the Russians had completely bugged the old one so efficiently that it was essentially worthless to America! the price tag on the new embassy came to something like $200 million and supplies had to be shipped surrepticiously,to hinder bugging. soon, Russia will hopefully taste the fruits of economic freedom that they have so long deserved. who would have thought that the Berlin wall would be dismantled,in our century? change is rapid and swift. thanks for all the great sites, people! hey Jim your humor is much appreciated! HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! 310 From: Date: Sun May 14, 2000 4:24pm Subject: Re: a quick question Bill, Re fire-water sprinkler cameras. there was an interesting story . years ago, one of Conrad Hilton's [ founder of Hilton Hotel chain.], sons lost a significant amount of money in a Las Vegas poker/ gin rummy game.$200k ,whatever . the father was furious and contacted knowledgeable friends who hired a TSCM guy. turns out hidden cameras in the Sprinkler system aided the gambling opponents and thus the money was refunded!! you just never know! HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! 311 From: Date: Sun May 14, 2000 4:34pm Subject: Re: HOW TO KEEP A HEALTHY LEVEL OF INSANITY Jim; appreciate the humor. my girlfriend is having major surgery and laughing helps. can't wait to try some of the antics. i have held my calculator up and talked into it like a cell phone when driving. that always gets a second look! HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! 312 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Sun May 14, 2000 4:44pm Subject: Re: a quick question At 5:15 PM -0400 5/14/00, patedwards@w... wrote: >Bill; > a long time back i remember viewing some articles that showed a >KGB > camera hidden inside a woman's nipple. that had to be the best >subterfuge ever! > micro tech has come a long way, would not be surprised >to see cameras on the head of a needle! move over angels! > by the way the new US embassy is set to open in Moscow >soon after years of delay ,as the Russians had completely bugged the >old one so efficiently that it was essentially worthless to America! the >price tag on the new embassy came to something like $200 million and >supplies had to be shipped surrepticiously,to hinder bugging. > soon, Russia will hopefully >taste the fruits of economic freedom >that they have so long deserved. > who would have thought that the Berlin wall would be >dismantled,in our century? change is rapid and swift. > thanks for all the great sites, people! > hey Jim your humor is much appreciated! > > HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! Might I point out the following. As per someone who was active instructor at the Red Banner Institute (KGB School) for several decade. The Soviet government did not "bug" the concrete in the embassy in Moscow, but instead "salted it" with hundreds of thousands of scrap diodes and transistors (the raw dice, not the complete component) to cause the Non Linear Junction Detectors (Superscouts) the U.S. TSCM'ers were using to get massive false hits. The purpose was frustrate the TSCM'ers as the Soviets knew the American sweep teams were putting too much faith in the instrumented part of the sweep, and not paying enough attention to the actual physical inspection. The Soviets knew that if the U.S. TSCM people got "hits all over the wall" that they would X-Ray what they could, but that they were easy to discourage and would not detect a properly concealed device (when the wall was hot). Knowing this the Soviets salted the raw concrete (actually the cement) at the mixing stations, which was eventually poured at the embassy to created the building structure. It's very similar to what happen at the facilities in China, Jordan, and Israel where huge amounts of fiber optic cable was found inside the poured concrete walls (woven and secured though the re-bar rods). -jma =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@tscm.com =================================================================== "...any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke =================================================================== 313 From: Date: Sun May 14, 2000 5:13pm Subject: Re: a quick question thanks Jim ! re the quick overview of the embassy structure. pretty tricky! HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! 314 From: Jay Coote Date: Sun May 14, 2000 8:19pm Subject: Re: a quick question I think AID or one of those LEA surveillance vendors had it. It looks like a 6 inch commo antenna but with a larger base mount or coil. Jay Coote Los Angeles ---------- > A person asked me about covert camera that ANTENNA. > This person said he saw it on a web site. > Do you know the web address? > Have you ever heard of camera in ANTENNA? > I know the are in Pagers,wristwatches and even eyeglasses but I cannot > recall seeing a camera in an ANTENNA. > Any help would be appreciated. > Later4,mike f > > > > Michael T. Fiorentino > Syracuse,NY 13206 > > "CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING" > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged > and/or confidential. 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Mike F wrote: > A person asked me about covert camera that ANTENNA. > This person said he saw it on a web site. > Do you know the web address? > Have you ever heard of camera in ANTENNA? > I know the are in Pagers,wristwatches and even eyeglasses but I cannot > recall seeing a camera in an ANTENNA. > Any help would be appreciated. > Later4,mike f > > Michael T. Fiorentino > Syracuse,NY 13206 > > "CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING" > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged > and/or confidential. The information is intended for use only by the > individual(s) > or entity named/indicated above. If you are not the identified/intended > recipient, be aware that > any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this > message/information is prohibited. If you are not the indicated recipient or > have > received this message in error contact our offices immediately for > instructions." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > IT Professionals: Match your unique skills with the best IT projects at > http://click.egroups.com/1/3381/1/_/507420/_/958320041/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS 317 From: Andy Grudko Date: Mon May 15, 2000 2:03am Subject: Re: a quick question ----- Original Message ----- > A person asked me about covert camera that ANTENNA. > This person said he saw it on a web site. > Do you know the web address? > Have you ever heard of camera in ANTENNA? > I know the are in Pagers,wristwatches and even eyeglasses but I cannot > recall seeing a camera in an ANTENNA. About 15 years ago PK Electronics in Germany had a car antenna camera. Actually the bulbous tip of the antenna contained a lense, connected by optic fibre to a video camera at the base, in the wing. A remote control vesion was available to 'pan'. Picture erformance was poor by today's standatrds. There may be somthing better on the market by now. PK's prices were so inflated I never got another catalogue from them. Regards Andy Grudko Johannesburg 318 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Mon May 15, 2000 10:22am Subject: http://www.realspy.com/ Good Morning, Over the last few months I have received a number of comments from visitors to the following website: http://www.realspy.com/ It would appear that the website author blatantly ripped off materials from my website, and went to far to swipe a copy of by bio and other materials and effectively just added his name. I would appreciate it if other list members could visit the site in question, and privately email me their thoughts on the matter. -jma =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@tscm.com =================================================================== "...any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke =================================================================== 319 From: Gregory Horton Date: Mon May 15, 2000 1:22pm Subject: Re: West Point While I agree with Mr. Keenan that the military is in an abused state under the Clinton administration, I must correct some of his statements. I just retired from an Army Reserve unit where I was the Operations Sergeant Major, and the OpTempo is very busy. We deployed and are deploying soldiers to Bosnia and Kosovo (among other places) for six month rotations. With train-up and debriefing periods on the front and end of the tour, the total time is usually close to 9 months. Once they are deployed to Bosnia or Kosovo, they can't, by law, be sent back to that region again. There are laws protecting the service members from termination (I believe it falls under the Soldier, Sailor, Airmen Relief Act) and this has successfully been used to protect them. This information in no way is meant to minimize the strain put on the reserve system by the high OpTempo. The kids are brought in with the promise of college funds and no mention of 9 month deployments right in the middle of their scholastic endeavors. There have been some pretty unhappy campers, but for the most part, the young men and women have taken the challenge and risen to the occasion. You might (and probably should) fault the system, but you can be damn proud of the patriotic kids this country still produces. Greg Horton 320 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Mon May 15, 2000 1:45pm Subject: Re: West Point At 11:22 AM -0700 5/15/00, Gregory Horton wrote: >While I agree with Mr. Keenan that the military is in an abused state >under the Clinton administration, I must correct some of his >statements. I just retired from an Army Reserve unit where I was the >Operations Sergeant Major, and the OpTempo is very busy. We deployed >and are deploying soldiers to Bosnia and Kosovo (among other places) for >six month rotations. With train-up and debriefing periods on the front >and end of the tour, the total time is usually close to 9 months. Once >they are deployed to Bosnia or Kosovo, they can't, by law, be sent back >to that region again. There are laws protecting the service members from >termination (I believe it falls under the Soldier, Sailor, Airmen Relief >Act) and this has successfully been used to protect them. This >information in no way is meant to minimize the strain put on the reserve >system by the high OpTempo. The kids are brought in with the promise of >college funds and no mention of 9 month deployments right in the middle >of their scholastic endeavors. There have been some pretty unhappy >campers, but for the most part, the young men and women have taken the >challenge and risen to the occasion. You might (and probably should) >fault the system, but you can be damn proud of the patriotic kids this >country still produces. >Greg Horton That is a very good point Greg, Personally I would like to see the rules changes so that no service member (including officers) was sent outside of the US (unless it's wartime) until they are on their second 4 year enlistment. I feel strongly that officers should not be commissioned until they have several at least 4 years of active duty, completed 4 years of college, then completed several years as an NCO and attended a SERIES of leadership academies (not just ROTC, OCS, or a service academy). Sadly, the US has officers that are very poor leaders who tend to be more skilled in paperwork, then in battlefield tactics. Years ago they used to tell us that the only thing that would get an officer out of a foxhole was a pissed off NCO holding a bayonet at his back. Of course there are good officer out there, but they are really hard to find. -jma =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@tscm.com =================================================================== "...any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke =================================================================== 321 From: Date: Mon May 15, 2000 10:58am Subject: News Spy vs. Spy Suits against ex-employees shed light on a little-known Florida firm that trains agents for the feds Dan Christensen Miami Daily Business Review May 15, 2000 It's real life spy vs. spy, tucked away in a quiet northern section of Broward County, Fla. Audio Intelligence Devices, a super-secret Coral Springs, Fla., company that sells surveillance equipment and operates secret agent training courses to law enforcement agencies worldwide -- including the FBI, CIA, Drug Enforcement Administration and the Internal Revenue Service -- has gone to court claiming it's a victim of corporate espionage. In two civil cases, one of which recently was sealed by a judge, Audio Intelligence accuses former company executives who now work for competitors of swiping highly sensitive corporate trade secrets on their way out the door. Meanwhile, one of the executives accuses the company of illegally selling spying equipment to the New York City Police Department. If the equipment was used to gather evidence, the executive claims, the evidence may be tainted. Little is known about the company, Audio Intelligence, which has been manufacturing and selling surveillance equipment to the government for nearly three decades. The company originally was operated by owner Jack Holcomb, a mysterious businessman who ran the company out of offices at Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport. Then, in 1992, Holcomb sold his business to a unit of giant Westinghouse Electric. In January 1998, Delaware-based Audio Intelligence was sold again. The seller was CBS, which earlier had merged with Westinghouse. Audio Intelligence is owned by privately held Liberty Associates Management Group L.C., a holding company that in turn is owned by ex-Army officer, Joseph Wortley, according to Wortley's business partner, William R. Gates. Gates -- no, not Microsoft's Bill Gates -- recently served as president of Audio Intelligence, but now oversees AID as managing member of Liberty Associates. He said he was a Naval officer in the submarine program. He declined to give his former rank. The company, with gross annual sales Gates said were $12 million to $15 million, is involved in a trade whose course work includes teaching police officers and agents from around the nation up-to-the-minute lock-picking techniques and covert entry skills. Clients include unlikely agencies such as the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Products include transmitters and "video surveillance kits" disguised to look like briefcases, surge protectors, cigarettes, billfolds, smoke alarms and tape measures. (In an interview, Gates said the CIA is no longer a company client. Court papers filed by the company last November, and now sealed, say the company does work for the CIA.) Helping the company maintain its low profile is the fact that the surveillance devices sought by the government are so exotic that Audio Intelligence often is the sole source of the supply. Federal rules allow government buyers to use so-called "simplified acquisition procedures" when making sole-source purchases — a practice that eliminates the need to follow public bidding requirements. But while little is known about the company, a dispute now taking place could affect the company's ability to maintain some of that secrecy. In addition, it raises questions about the propriety and legality of some of the company's activity. Charles W. Goforth, one of two former Audio Intelligence executives who've been sued, says in court papers that he quit last September after learning the company unlawfully sold about 60 spy transmitters to the New York City Police Department. Kim Douglas Sherman, Goforth's Fort Lauderdale attorney, said in court papers that those electronic bugs weren't legal at the time because they were not sanctioned by the Federal Communications Commission. If police used the devices to make cases without getting approval, he said in a brief interview, any evidence they produced would be tainted. At the New York Police Department, spokesman Alan Krawitz said the department is not aware of any problems with its devices. "But we would not even comment about something like this, even if we were aware," he said. In the court documents, Goforth claims that when he objected to the sale, the senior vice president of operations responded, "I like to live dangerously." Goforth, via his attorney, declined to comment for this story. Goforth, who's now president of his own surveillance device firm, Digital Security Solutions Inc. of Pompano Beach, also says in court documents that the company's chief operating officer told him the action was approved despite the illegality. The company officials in question aren't identified by name in court papers. Gates said there "was no basis" for Goforth's allegations and they were untrue. He said Goforth, whom he accused of trying to swipe AID's international business, was in charge of the department that handled those kinds of sales. The dispute with Goforth isn't the company's only battle with a former employee. Audio Intelligence is involved in a civil case against the former administrator of its National Intelligence Academy, a spy school for law enforcement types. Laurie Thurmond, who ran the academy from December 1997 until last May, is accused by Audio Intelligence of breach of contract and violating Florida's Trade Secrets Act. Thurmond now helps run the similar Law Enforcement Technology Centre -- a division of a rival Coral Springs firm, Innovative Surveillance Technology. Audio Intelligence, in a complaint now sealed by Broward Circuit Judge Jeffrey E. Streitfeld, alleges Thurmond stole the company's secrets -- including the names and address of its government customers and students -- and gave them to her new bosses at Innovative Surveillance. "In disseminating those names either by herself or through a third party, [Thurmond] has or is attempting to destroy the credibility of [Audio Intelligence] in maintaining the anonymity of the law enforcement officers that are trained," say court papers filed by the company. "In so doing, [Audio Intelligence] will lose its customers due to the impression that [it] cannot protect the people that it trains." The suit, similar to the one brought against Goforth, sought unspecified damages and an injunction to halt the "misappropriation" of Audio Intelligence's trade secrets. Thurmond declined to comment for this story. Plantation, Fla., attorney Robert D. Klausner, who represents Thurmond, was unavailable for comment. An attorney in his office, Adam Levinson, would not comment. Gates and AID's Boca Raton lawyer, Carol A. Kartagener, also declined to comment on the Thurmond suit. Ira Libanoff, a Fort Lauderdale lawyer who represents Innovative Surveillance, indicated he'd like to talk, but said he was "prevented" from doing so by the seal order imposed at the company's request. 322 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Mon May 15, 2000 3:56pm Subject: Re: News At 3:58 PM -0400 5/15/00, MACCFound@a... wrote: >Spy vs. Spy >Suits against ex-employees shed light on a little-known Florida firm that >trains agents for the feds >Dan Christensen >Miami Daily Business Review >May 15, 2000 >It's real life spy vs. spy, tucked away in a quiet northern section of >Broward County, Fla. >Audio Intelligence Devices, a super-secret Coral Springs, Fla., company >that sells surveillance equipment and operates secret agent training >courses to law enforcement agencies worldwide -- including the FBI, CIA, >Drug Enforcement Administration and the Internal Revenue Service -- has >gone to court claiming it's a victim of corporate espionage. Hee, Hee... It's kind of poetic that they are bitching about being the victim of espionage. AID was hardly "tucked away", and was/is actually very well known within law enforcement circles (and Jack was a character). Like most LE suppliers, trainers, and so on they are "kept tucked away from the public eye). >In two civil cases, one of which recently was sealed by a judge, Audio >Intelligence accuses former company executives who now work for competitors >of swiping highly sensitive corporate trade secrets on their way out the door. Also, rather poetic. >Meanwhile, one of the executives accuses the company of illegally selling >spying equipment to the New York City Police Department. If the equipment >was used to gather evidence, the executive claims, the evidence may be >tainted. Well the law states (and the courts have ruled) that if the bug doesn't have FCC approval then the evidence is tainted, and the agency is violating peoples civil rights. >Little is known about the company, Audio Intelligence, which has been >manufacturing and selling surveillance equipment to the government for >nearly three decades. Not true... I have a four foot stack of materials about every product they have produced over the last 15 years, and almost 1000 database entries on every variation of every product and frequency they offered during that time. None the products they offered was ever "secret squirrel" stuff, and was rather unsophisticated products designed to cater to the whims of law enforcement. The only "special thing" they did was their ability to build high quality concealments, and to produce equipment capable of being abused. Law enforcement surveillance equipment tends not to be very sophisticated simply because the users are generally not sophisticated themselves (with a few exceptions). >The company originally was operated by owner Jack Holcomb, a mysterious >businessman who ran the company out of offices at Fort Lauderdale Executive >Airport. Then, in 1992, Holcomb sold his business to a unit of giant >Westinghouse Electric. In January 1998, Delaware-based Audio Intelligence >was sold again. The seller was CBS, which earlier had merged with >Westinghouse. Holcomb sold it to Westinghouse who installed a poor management team who almost ran the company into the ground. The business (at least the shell of what was left) was sold off strictly to get it off the books. I have heard from several other people in the business that AID is up for sale again (with an asking price of just over 4 million). If anybody wants to buy what is left of the company, integrate it into Granite Island Group, move it to Gloucester, and revive the product lines (legitimately, with FCC approvals on everything) let me know. >Audio Intelligence is owned by privately held Liberty Associates Management >Group L.C., a holding company that in turn is owned by ex-Army officer, >Joseph Wortley, according to Wortley's business partner, William R. Gates. >Gates -- no, not Microsoft's Bill Gates -- recently served as president of >Audio Intelligence, but now oversees AID as managing member of Liberty >Associates. He said he was a Naval officer in the submarine program. He >declined to give his former rank. >The company, with gross annual sales Gates said were $12 million to $15 >million, is involved in a trade whose course work includes teaching police >officers and agents from around the nation up-to-the-minute lock-picking >techniques and covert entry skills. Actual the NIA courses have been getting farmed out to outside contractors recently. Product sales may have PREVIOUSLY been 12-15 million, but they are a fraction of that now. >Clients include unlikely agencies such as the Department of Housing and >Urban Development. Products include transmitters and "video surveillance >kits" disguised to look like briefcases, surge protectors, cigarettes, >billfolds, smoke alarms and tape measures. >(In an interview, Gates said the CIA is no longer a company client. Court >papers filed by the company last November, and now sealed, say the company >does work for the CIA.) Uh, right... since when does the CIA buy unsophisticated, unsecured, spy shop frequency, wireless microphone, law enforcement grade surveillance equipment. Right... and the Army is going to start buying Twinkies due to their excellent shelf life. >Helping the company maintain its low profile is the fact that the >surveillance devices sought by the government are so exotic that Audio >Intelligence often is the sole source of the supply. Nothing that AID sells is (or has ever been) exotic... The claims that they are the sole source comes from the fact people laying out a requisition would often bias the specification to a specific AID product when an equivalent product from a AID competitor would cost a fraction. This resulted in the procurement process being abused, which in turned ended up in officers getting a reprimand, which in turn got them fired. >Federal rules allow government buyers to use so-called "simplified >acquisition procedures" when making sole-source purchases ’Äî a practice that >eliminates the need to follow public bidding requirements. Ah, but NOTHING AID offers is sole source. >But while little is known about the company, a dispute now taking place >could affect the company's ability to maintain some of that secrecy. In >addition, it raises questions about the propriety and legality of some of >the company's activity. What secrecy? >Charles W. Goforth, one of two former Audio Intelligence executives who've >been sued, says in court papers that he quit last September after learning >the company unlawfully sold about 60 spy transmitters to the New York City >Police Department. ...and when did THIS become a problem? Only a small fraction of what AID was selling was FCC approved, which would in turn mean that the majority of the equipment they sold to Non Federal Law Enforcement channels was illegal. There is of course a lot of "nudge-nudge-wink-wink" that goes on in law enforcement, and this is just one such case. >Kim Douglas Sherman, Goforth's Fort Lauderdale attorney, said in court >papers that those electronic bugs weren't legal at the time because they >were not sanctioned by the Federal Communications Commission. If police >used the devices to make cases without getting approval, he said in a brief >interview, any evidence they produced would be tainted. >At the New York Police Department, spokesman Alan Krawitz said the >department is not aware of any problems with its devices. "But we would not >even comment about something like this, even if we were aware," he said. >In the court documents, Goforth claims that when he objected to the sale, >the senior vice president of operations responded, "I like to live >dangerously." That is the general attitude >Goforth, via his attorney, declined to comment for this story. >Goforth, who's now president of his own surveillance device firm, Digital >Security Solutions Inc. of Pompano Beach, also says in court documents that >the company's chief operating officer told him the action was approved >despite the illegality. Like someone said... "It's only illegal if you get caught" >The company officials in question aren't identified by name in court papers. >Gates said there "was no basis" for Goforth's allegations and they were >untrue. He said Goforth, whom he accused of trying to swipe AID's >international business, was in charge of the department that handled those >kinds of sales. >The dispute with Goforth isn't the company's only battle with a former >employee. Audio Intelligence is involved in a civil case against the former >administrator of its National Intelligence Academy, a spy school for law >enforcement types. >Laurie Thurmond, who ran the academy from December 1997 until last May, is >accused by Audio Intelligence of breach of contract and violating Florida's >Trade Secrets Act. Thurmond now helps run the similar Law Enforcement >Technology Centre -- a division of a rival Coral Springs firm, Innovative >Surveillance Technology. >Audio Intelligence, in a complaint now sealed by Broward Circuit Judge >Jeffrey E. Streitfeld, alleges Thurmond stole the company's secrets -- >including the names and address of its government customers and students -- >and gave them to her new bosses at Innovative Surveillance. >"In disseminating those names either by herself or through a third party, >[Thurmond] has or is attempting to destroy the credibility of [Audio >Intelligence] in maintaining the anonymity of the law enforcement officers >that are trained," say court papers filed by the company. "In so doing, >[Audio Intelligence] will lose its customers due to the impression that >[it] cannot protect the people that it trains." >The suit, similar to the one brought against Goforth, sought unspecified >damages and an injunction to halt the "misappropriation" of Audio >Intelligence's trade secrets. Like AID mooching business off of industry membership rosters isn't the same thing. The identities of the "officer trained at AID" are a matter of public record, as public money was used to pay for the schools. >Thurmond declined to comment for this story. Plantation, Fla., attorney >Robert D. Klausner, who represents Thurmond, was unavailable for comment. >An attorney in his office, Adam Levinson, would not comment. >Gates and AID's Boca Raton lawyer, Carol A. Kartagener, also declined to >comment on the Thurmond suit. >Ira Libanoff, a Fort Lauderdale lawyer who represents Innovative >Surveillance, indicated he'd like to talk, but said he was "prevented" from >doing so by the seal order imposed at the company's request. Once the case is over there will be a push to unseal the sealed court records to expose what REALLY happened. -jma =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@tscm.com =================================================================== "...any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke =================================================================== 323 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Mon May 15, 2000 6:21pm Subject: AID > Not true... I have a four foot stack of materials about every > product they have produced over the last 15 years, and almost > 1000 database entries on every variation of every product and > frequency they offered during that time. You are the exception, not the rule. The industry, as a whole, knew little of AID. In years past (Jack Holcomb days), EVERY catalog was hand delilvered. NONE mailed. EVERY previous years' catalog was returned or that agency was cut off. How do you know frequencies? AID manufactured their own crystals. In many if not most cases, the users did not even know the frequencies of operation. Every agency was given a different assignment. There was no such thing as "house" frequencies. Frequencies were not re-used. I have serviced many pieces of AID gear, and I have never seen the same frequency more than once. > Law enforcement surveillance equipment tends not to be very > sophisticated simply because the users are generally not > sophisticated themselves (with a few exceptions). You apparently have never spent a week at NATIA. > Actual the NIA courses have been getting farmed out to outside > contractors recently. NIA has been closed for a year at least. > Ah, but NOTHING AID offers is sole source. AID manufactured many products for which there was no equivalent from any manufacturer. They did others for which the only competition was inferior quality converted hobby toys. At least half of what AID offered was not available anywhere else on the planet. Who else made an audio transmitter into the base of an automatic pistol magazine, which would still operate the weapon with 5 rounds? Several reputable companies tried and were unable to make anything withstand the recoil forces and still maintain a reasonable price level. > Only a small fraction of what AID was selling was FCC approved, > which would in turn mean that the majority of the equipment they > sold to Non Federal Law Enforcement channels was illegal. NOT true. 100% of AID's audio transmitters were type accepted. That was a niche only they had, for a good while. For many years, the only LEGAL transmitter was AID. If they did indeed sell non-type-accepted stuff to NYPD, that was a recent decision not involving any of the former management. AID stuff was marvelous quality, very good performing, well engineered by people who had used the stuff in the streets. Their RF gear was superb. Their receivers had specs so good most of the industry test equipment could not be used to measure it. AID set industry standards in antenna efficiency. Their one watt transmitter (for example) would talk substantially further than anyone else's. The difference was in the antennas. I have yet to be able to match their beacon transmitter antenna performance, even with one in front of me and copying the circuit with identical values. There is something in their design *and fabrication* no one else has been able to duplicate. AID is like Motorola is to two way radios. Top performers, super rugged, very high level of support, top prices. The stuff works so well, is so rugged and so reliable that you do not care about the high prices. I could buy 4 ICOM portables for what I pay for encrypted Sabers, but the Sabers are worth far more than the ICOMs. I've changed my opinions over the last several years. I'm back in the Motorola camp where I started, and not fooling with competitive surveillance equipment where another company (TTI now that AID is defunct) makes an acceptable product. Charley Goforth is a good friend and in fact my agent in Brazil. He is as honest and competent as they come. IST (Innovative Surveillance Technology) now has most of the former AID types, the same market, similar products, even similar location, similar training. IST will step in where AID was, and in 5 years no one will remember AID and the wannabees and frustrated competitors will be whining about IST. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 324 From: Newbie Couple Date: Sun May 14, 2000 10:50am Subject: Re: a quick question Try Spook Tech's site. This is the first place we saw them. Also, make sure they have them in stock before you order, we are still waiting for oures! >From: William Knowles >Reply-To: TSCM-L@egroups.com >To: TSCM- >Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] a quick question >Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 12:31:50 -0500 (CDT) > >On Fri, 12 May 2000, Mike F wrote: > > > A person asked me about covert camera that ANTENNA. This person > > said he saw it on a web site. Do you know the web address? Have > > you ever heard of camera in ANTENNA? I know the are in Pagers, > > wristwatches and even eyeglasses but I cannot recall seeing a > > camera in an ANTENNA. Any help would be appreciated. Later4, mike > > f > >Many years ago I saw the antenna camera in CCS' catalog, No idea what >kind of price or where to find them on the Internet, and I never >looked any farther than that, The fire-sprinkler cameras spooked me a >bit and had me looking at normal ones a little more closer for a few >years afterward. > >William Knowles >wk@c... > > >*-------------------------------------------------* >"Communications without intelligence is noise; >Intelligence without communications is irrelevant." >Gen. Alfred. M. Gray, USMC >--------------------------------------------------- >C4I Secure Solutions http://www.c4i.org >*-------------------------------------------------* > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com 325 From: Robert G. Ferrell Date: Mon May 15, 2000 10:29am Subject: Re: Pharmaceutical Research > The drug is called "Gingko Viagra" and its function is to help you > remember what the f**k you are doing. I saw an amusing related anecdote the other day. Q: What drugs or vitamins, if any, do you take on a daily basis? A: I take Gingko to improve my memory, Viagra to improve my sex life, and Gingko to improve my memory. RGF 326 From: Mike F Date: Sun May 14, 2000 9:44pm Subject: RE: a quick question Thank you very much,I do really appreciatte the HELP YOU and OTHER ON THE LIST PROVIDED! Thanks again, mike fiorentino -----Original Message----- From: MACCFound@a... [mailto:MACCFound@a...] Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 10:37 PM To: TSCM-L@egroups.com Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] a quick question In a message dated 5/14/00 6:20:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, TSCM@j... writes: << It looks like a 6 inch commo antenna but with a larger base mount or coil. >> Visual Methods or Security Products Intl. 800-DIAL-SPI ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/1/_/507420/_/958358335/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L or email your subscription request to: subTSCM-L@t... =================================================== TSKS 327 From: Mike F Date: Mon May 15, 2000 0:39pm Subject: Intelligence & Spy Links There are some very useful Intelligence links: http://www.intellpros.com/links.html Be sure to check out intellpros Library,they have some good info there. Since it is the same basic url, I am sure you will find it. later4,mike f. Michael T. Fiorentino Syracuse,NY 13206 "CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING" This electronic message contains information which may be privileged and/or confidential. The information is intended for use only by the individual(s) or entity named/indicated above. If you are not the identified/intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message/information is prohibited. If you are not the indicated recipient or have received this message in error contact our offices immediately for instructions." 328 From: Date: Mon May 15, 2000 4:03pm Subject: Re: http://www.realspy.com/ James, your point got through... I went to check his web site out and found this -> <--------clipped from realspy.com--------------> Due to hackers rewriting my pages from others websites, we will be down for 1 to 2 weeks to reconfigure a hardware firewall and newly designed web page. We are sorry for this inconvenience On another note, to all you harmfull hscker and crakers---YOU CAN KISS MY ASS! I am a member of the FBI's ANSIR program and I will be turning IP address from my server logs over to them to (5-15-2000) today. Just remember, don't pick up the soap! On Mon, 15 May 2000, "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng" wrote: > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > To: TSCM-L Mailing List > Delivered-To: mailing list TSCM-L@egroups.com > mailing list TSCM-L@egroups.com > X-Sender: spook@c... > Received: from [209.113.167.52] (ppp020.cape.cove.com [209.113.167.52]) by ns.cove.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07026 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:31:27 -0400 (EDT) > from ej.egroups.com (208.50.144.75) > by smtp.c012.sfo.cp.net with SMTP; 15 May 2000 08:32:13 -0700 > from [10.1.10.38] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2000 15:32:12 -0000 > (qmail 25665 invoked from network); 15 May 2000 15:29:14 -0000 > from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 May 2000 15:29:14 -0000 > from unknown (HELO ns.cove.com) (209.113.166.1) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 May 2000 15:29:09 -0000 > from [209.113.167.52] (ppp020.cape.cove.com [209.113.167.52]) by ns.cove.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07026 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:31:27 -0400 (EDT) > Content-Length: 1836 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Mailing-List: list TSCM-L@egroups.com; contact TSCM-L-owner@egroups.com > X-Received: 15 May 2000 15:32:13 GMT > List-Unsubscribe: > Precedence: bulk > Subject: [TSCM-L] http://www.realspy.com/ > From: "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng" > X-Egroups-Return: sentto-49964-767-eric=ragingbull.com@returns.onelist.com > Return-Path: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Reply-To: TSCM-L@egroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:22:54 -0400 > Message-Id: > > Good Morning, > > Over the last few months I have received a number of comments from > visitors to the following website: http://www.realspy.com/ > > It would appear that the website author blatantly ripped off > materials from my website, and went to far to swipe a copy of by bio > and other materials and effectively just added his name. > > I would appreciate it if other list members could visit the site in > question, and privately email me their thoughts on the matter. > > -jma > > =================================================================== > Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? > =================================================================== > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 > Granite Island Group > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@tscm.com > =================================================================== > "...any sufficiently advanced technology is > indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke > =================================================================== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > eGroups members: $60 in FREE calls! Join beMANY! > And pay less each month for long distance. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4122/1/_/507420/_/958404731/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS -------------------------------------------------- Rage with the Bulls... Get your FREE @ragingbull.com Email Address Visit http://www.ragingbull.com/ 329 From: Date: Mon May 15, 2000 3:22pm Subject: Re: http://www.realspy.com/ sounds like someone forgot to take their meds 330 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Mon May 15, 2000 8:04pm Subject: Re: http://www.realspy.com/ It's curious that the website was up for up with the swiped materials for 7 months, and that my progressively nastier email to the webmaster went completely ignored. But's it's funny that he didn't notice that 99% of everything on his website just happen to have been lifted right off my website ( with his name replacing mine), AND that it just just happened to be on-line (supposedly with out his knowledge) for 7 months. Then, when I was finally able to get thought the guy he claims that hacker had hacked him 7 months ago, claimed to have no knowledge of any of the materials (webpage?, what webpage?). I appreciate the observations of the other list members including the one who pointed out that the commercial exploitation of someone's copyrighted materials for commercial purposes (without permission) is a serious federal felony. Ok, Ok, Ok... so I'll be a gentleman and give the guy a break, we'll call it an "unfortunate misunderstanding" and "breach of security on his website". Arghh, (mumble, grumble, fume, grump) -jma At 2:03 PM -0700 5/15/00, eric@r... wrote: >James, your point got through... I went to check his web site out >and found this -> > ><--------clipped from realspy.com--------------> >Due to hackers rewriting my pages from others websites, we will be >down for 1 to 2 weeks to reconfigure a hardware firewall and newly >designed web page. > > > >We are sorry for this inconvenience > >On another note, to all you harmfull hscker and crakers---YOU CAN >KISS MY ASS! > >I am a member of the FBI's ANSIR program and I will be turning IP >address from my server logs over to them to (5-15-2000) today. > > > >Just remember, don't pick up the soap! > > > >On Mon, 15 May 2000, "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng" wrote: > > > > Good Morning, > > > > Over the last few months I have received a number of comments from > > visitors to the following website: http://www.realspy.com/ > > > > It would appear that the website author blatantly ripped off > > materials from my website, and went to far to swipe a copy of by bio > > and other materials and effectively just added his name. > > > > I would appreciate it if other list members could visit the site in > > question, and privately email me their thoughts on the matter. > > > > -jma =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@tscm.com =================================================================== "...any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke =================================================================== 331 From: Date: Mon May 15, 2000 5:22pm Subject: Re: http://www.realspy.com/ Forgive Your Enemies, Forget Not Their Names!