From: Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 7:45pm Subject: Re: Instructions for life. Danke shone. N. 573 From: Stowe Spivey Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 10:00am Subject: RE: Off topic - Analist Notebook? I have used Analyst Notebook and it is great. It can graphically represent (not analyze) vast amounts of data which certainly can aid in the analysis process. There are options from i2, who produce the software, to tunnel vast amounts of data in electronically. The issue comes in if the data is not already in electronic form. Then the issue requires many man hours or sophisticated scanning equipment. Hopes this helps. Stowe Spivey -----Original Message----- From: A Grudko [mailto:agrudko@i...] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:41 AM To: TSCM-L@egroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Off topic - Analist Notebook? Sorry for the off topic post, but one of you ex-Intel types might know the answer to this one. I have a government client who has bought a US product called 'Analist Notebook' (his spelling) from a local supplier. Despite the name, there is no notebook supplied, only software. The product is designed to assist in analysing large amounts of diverse data in criminal and Intel. matters, similar I think to 'Watson'. Although he did a 5 day course he cannot work out how to use it, especially to input large amounts of data from other data bases, such as call records, bank records etc. He has asked me to research the product a bit and tell him if it is worth the effort of going more deeply into it. I did a quick search on the net but could not find it, and I thought one of you might know of it. Thanks Andy Grudko (CEO) - Grudko Wilson Associates (SA) (Pty) Ltd - Crime investigation & intelligence Johannesburg - Cape Town - Durban - Pretoria - UK - US - Canada - Australia Israel - www.grudko.com. - (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) - Est. 1981 Members of : SCIP (Gauteng Chairman), SACI (President), GIN (Charter), WAD, CALI, SASFed, SASA, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS),IWWF, PRETrust --- "When you need it done right - first time" --- ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L or email your subscription request to: subTSCM-L@t... =================================================== TSKS 574 From: Stowe Spivey Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 9:46am Subject: Analyst Notebook I have used Analyst Notebook and it is great. It can graphically represent (not analyze) vast amounts of data which certainly can aid in the analysis process. There are options from i2, who produce the software, to tunnel vast amounts of data in electronically. The issue comes in if the data is not already in electronic form. Then the issue requires many man hours or sophisticated scanning equipment. Hopes this helps. Stowe Spivey -----Original Message----- From: A Grudko [mailto:agrudko@i...] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:41 AM To: TSCM-L@egroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Off topic - Analist Notebook? Sorry for the off topic post, but one of you ex-Intel types might know the answer to this one. I have a government client who has bought a US product called 'Analist Notebook' (his spelling) from a local supplier. Despite the name, there is no notebook supplied, only software. The product is designed to assist in analysing large amounts of diverse data in criminal and Intel. matters, similar I think to 'Watson'. Although he did a 5 day course he cannot work out how to use it, especially to input large amounts of data from other data bases, such as call records, bank records etc. He has asked me to research the product a bit and tell him if it is worth the effort of going more deeply into it. I did a quick search on the net but could not find it, and I thought one of you might know of it. Thanks Andy Grudko (CEO) - Grudko Wilson Associates (SA) (Pty) Ltd - Crime investigation & intelligence Johannesburg - Cape Town - Durban - Pretoria - UK - US - Canada - Australia Israel - www.grudko.com. - (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) - Est. 1981 Members of : SCIP (Gauteng Chairman), SACI (President), GIN (Charter), WAD, CALI, SASFed, SASA, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS),IWWF, PRETrust --- "When you need it done right - first time" --- 575 From: Bob Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 4:30pm Subject: Re: Analyst Notebook I have been very successful at converting one database format to another by first inspecting the source database and then the target database formats with an ASCII code reader (a very basic word processor that doesn't respond to imbedded formatting commands) and noting the differences. Next, I write a macro to rearrange the data, add record field and convert delimiters as required. When doing this work I use WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS because of it is easy to write a macro with this program. I retrieve and save the files as ASCII files. I have never used "Analyst Notebook", but it sure sounds intriguing. Bob > -----Original Message----- > ..... I have a government client who has bought a US product called 'Analist > Notebook' (his spelling) from a local supplier. Despite the name, there is > no notebook supplied, only software. The product is designed to assist in > analysing large amounts of diverse data in criminal and Intel. matters, > similar I think to 'Watson'. > > Although he did a 5 day course he cannot work out how to use it, especially > to input large amounts of data from other data bases, such as call records, > bank records etc. > > He has asked me to research the product a bit and tell him if it is worth > the effort of going more deeply into it. I did a quick search on the net but > could not find it, and I thought one of you might know of it. > > Thanks > > Andy Grudko 576 From: Bob Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 4:36pm Subject: Re: Assistance with Telephone Breakout Box You can sure spot those gun toting body guard types! Bob "Executive Security International, Ltd." wrote: > > Please take us off your mailing list... your clogging our mailbox with junk mail that we do not need. This is a business account and we need to keep it > free of junk mail so that we can service our own mail. > THANK YOU > JJ Sutton 577 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 5:28pm Subject: Re: Assistance with Telephone Breakout Box At 5:36 PM -0400 6/8/00, Bob wrote: >You can sure spot those gun toting body guard types! > >Bob > > > >"Executive Security International, Ltd." wrote: > > > > Please take us off your mailing list... your clogging our mailbox >with junk mail that we do not need. This is a business account and >we need to keep it > > free of junk mail so that we can service our own mail. > > THANK YOU > > JJ Sutton Nah... it was just a minor case of bad communications. Everything is fine now, no problem. -jma =================================================================== Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 578 From: Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 6:47am Subject: Scanlock features Roger, Further to your request (to Ray Summers) for explanation of some of the new Scanlock features: The 'modulation analysis' is a feature of the new Scanlock M2 'Fixed Compression' scan mode (a hybrid of Superhet and Harmonic receiver techniques). In this mode there is a 1:1 correlation between the RF signal bandwidth and the signal bandwidth shown on the spectral analysis display, as opposed to a pure Harmonic receiver (or 'Swept Compression') display. For instance when analysing a digital cellular (GSM) handset, the STACKED display will show the intermittent nature of the TDMA transmission from the phone whilst the PEAK HOLD trace will build up over several scans to show the modulation envelope of the signal. (See attached document - apologies to the list, but the document referred to can be also found at http://www.audiotel-int.com/news.html). The 'spectral occupancy' feature derives from the ability to display multiple overlaid spectra. The overlaid spectra can be displayed on top of each other in a 2D STACKED display or in a 3D 'WATERFALL' display. (See attached document). In the 3D 'WATERFALL' display mode, a section through the multiple spectra is available to show the 'occupancy' of a selected frequency. The 'occupancy' could be 'how often is the frequency used over a specified time period' if the spectra were collected at a single location over time, or 'how does the signal level of the selected frequency vary over a range of locations' if the spectra were collected at various locations. Regards Adrian Hickey Audiotel International Ltd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 579 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 7:36am Subject: Technician faces arrest for wire-tap Friday, June 9, 2000 Technician faces arrest for wire-tap http://www.bangkokpost.net/today/090600_News02.html Culprits will not be spared, says Suthep A warrant has been issued for the arrest of a Telephone Organisation of Thailand technician in the bugging of the home phone lines of political activist Veera Somkwamkid. The police request for the warrant was approved yesterday by Songwut Ngammeesri, an Interior Ministry inspector-general. Pol Maj-Gen Jongrak Chuthanond said Kerdpong Thitinan, a C-5 technician at the Klongchan Telephone Exchange, is accused of wire-tapping. The charge carries a maximum penalty of five years in jail. The deputy city police chief expected Mr Kerdpong, who is to be summoned to hear the charge on Tuesday, to implicate at least one accomplice during questioning. "We do not know the motive behind the tapping of Mr Veera's telephone lines but he has lodged many complaints against many people," said Pol Maj-Gen Jongrak, who declined to elaborate. Suthep Thaugsuban, transport and communications minister who supervises the Telephone Organisation of Thailand, said the culprits would be punished regardless of their position. Mr Veera believes the wire-tap was linked to his request to the National Counter Corruption Commission to investigate Sanan Kachornprasart, the Democrat secretary-general and former interior minister. Mr Suthep, deputy secretary-general, said Maj-Gen Sanan would not be spared if he was found to have been involved. =================================================================== Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 580 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 8:37am Subject: Re: Scanlock features Adrian, Could you please present more information to the list on the New Scanlock, it looks very interesting, and seems to offer some possibilities. What type of signal bandwidth is applied to the digitizer after folding, and what kind of a noise floor is possible. Also, how much pre-amplification is involved, and what kind of a noise figure does the instrument have. Is there any means to connected a spectrum analyzer into the M2 to permit the frequency domain to be viewed. What kind of sweep speeds are possible, and can we selected various bandwidths based on how much spectrum we are examining? -jma At 12:47 PM +0100 6/9/00, Adrian@a... wrote: >Roger, > >Further to your request (to Ray Summers) for explanation of some of the >new Scanlock features: > >The 'modulation analysis' is a feature of the new Scanlock M2 'Fixed >Compression' scan mode (a hybrid of Superhet and Harmonic receiver >techniques). > >In this mode there is a 1:1 correlation between the RF signal bandwidth >and the signal bandwidth shown on the spectral analysis display, as >opposed to a pure Harmonic receiver (or 'Swept Compression') display. > >For instance when analysing a digital cellular (GSM) handset, the STACKED >display will show the intermittent nature of the TDMA transmission from >the phone whilst the PEAK HOLD trace will build up over several scans to >show the modulation envelope of the signal. (See attached document - >apologies to the list, but the document referred to can be also found at >http://www.audiotel-int.com/news.html). > >The 'spectral occupancy' feature derives from the ability to display >multiple overlaid spectra. The overlaid spectra can be displayed on top of >each other in a 2D STACKED display or in a 3D 'WATERFALL' display. (See >attached document). > >In the 3D 'WATERFALL' display mode, a section through the multiple spectra >is available to show the 'occupancy' of a selected frequency. > >The 'occupancy' could be 'how often is the frequency used over a specified >time period' if the spectra were collected at a single location over time, > or 'how does the signal level of the selected frequency vary over a range >of locations' if the spectra were collected at various locations. > >Regards > >Adrian Hickey >Audiotel International Ltd > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Take your development to new heights. Work with clients like Dell and >pcOrder. Submit your resume to jobs@l.... 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Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 581 From: Andy Grudko Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 9:40am Subject: Off topic - RF monitoring tips? Ooooo.....have I made a discovery. We live 42 km by road from the office - probably 35 km line of sight. We are also 300+ mtrs below JHB (office). I get simplex radio coverage to the office (163 Mhz) to the top of the last (3 km) hill before our house. On my morning run I decided to head into the hills - we're surrounded by mountains. I took on the highest hill I could see, probably 3 - 400 Mtrs high, about 4 km from my house. Well, I made it to the top and what did I find ?.........a dead repeater! A 4 mtr mast - no antenna, a bit of unconnected co-ax, a concrete foundation and a big, locked fibreglass box, probably empty and no mains power, on a basically deserted piece of ground. Now my mind starts working. We have a number of licenced frequencies, including a leased repeater. We also use 'dead' frequencies, high Band VHF, for one off operations and then move on for security reasons. I'm thinking a passive repeater (2 yagis phase coupled back to back) to get coms to the office, but surely we can do more. I'm into VHF/UHF/MW monitoring but get few signals here in the 'bowl' of the lake I live on. So what happens if we put a discone up there with a 10 ele VHF beam pointing at my house, as a passive repeater? The potential range from such a high point is staggering. Or link up a solar panel to a 12 v gel cell and a wide band RF amp through the same setup? Or a straight forward uhf-vhf link - a bit booring 'cos it's one channel only. Let your mind run a bit wild here 'cos it's all business so the tax man pays. As a licenced radio/TV dealer I can legally posess ANY RF equipment - I just don't want to put k$ equipment on a lonely hill if I can avoid it 'cos of obvious theft problems. Andy Grudko (CEO) Grudko Wilson Associates (SA) (Pty) Ltd - Crime investigation & intelligence - Est 1981 Johannesburg head office - Durban - Cape Town - Pretoria - Agents in 43 countries (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) - SCIP (Gauteng Chairman), WAD , CALI, SASFed, SASA, SACI (President), GIN (Charter), SAMLF, AFIO (OS), IWWL, PRETrust www.grudko.com - "When you need it done right -first time" 582 From: Andy Grudko Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 0:54pm Subject: Re: Analyst Notebook Thanks Stowe. I guessed the site would be www.i2.com. Well, if it was I found the site but couldn't find any product info. A very confusing site. I'll contact you off list. Andy Grudko ----- Original Message ----- > I have used Analyst Notebook and it is great. It can graphically represent > (not analyze) vast amounts of data which certainly can aid in the analysis > process. There are options from i2, who produce the software, to tunnel > vast amounts of data in electronically. The issue comes in if the data is > not already in electronic form 583 From: Ian Carter <141722.yup@t...> Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 11:39am Subject: RE: Off topic - Analist Notebook? Hope this helps Andy: http://www.i2group.com/home.html Best Regards - Ian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ian Carter Specialist Services & Training Close Protection/Bodyguards Surveillance Operators Child Recovery Agents International BEA's Tel: (USA) 1 724 763 2087 Fax: (USA) 1 724 763 2236 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: A Grudko [mailto:agrudko@i...] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:41 AM To: TSCM-L@egroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Off topic - Analist Notebook? Sorry for the off topic post, but one of you ex-Intel types might know the answer to this one. I have a government client who has bought a US product called 'Analist Notebook' (his spelling) from a local supplier. Despite the name, there is no notebook supplied, only software. The product is designed to assist in analysing large amounts of diverse data in criminal and Intel. matters, similar I think to 'Watson'. Although he did a 5 day course he cannot work out how to use it, especially to input large amounts of data from other data bases, such as call records, bank records etc. He has asked me to research the product a bit and tell him if it is worth the effort of going more deeply into it. I did a quick search on the net but could not find it, and I thought one of you might know of it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 584 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 5:12pm Subject: Re: Off topic - RF monitoring tips? Once upon a midnight dreary, Andy Grudko pondered, weak and weary: > I'm thinking a passive repeater (2 yagis phase coupled back to back) to > get coms to the office, but surely we can do more. I'm into VHF/UHF/MW > monitoring but get few signals here in the 'bowl' of the lake I live on. Passive repeaters have their place. Generally they buy you only a few dB. The main application for passive repeaters is to fill in holes in the primary coverage area, for small area coverage systems. The classic application is back to back unity ground planes to repeat paging signals into the heavily shielded Xray department of a hospital. I have used two magnet mounts back to back, fifteen feet apart, to leak 2 way UHF comms into a large metal tank where workers were operating. They have their limitations, though. I doubt you would see much if any improvement in the situation you describe. Path loss is high enough to where you want the antennas as close to the receive site as possible. The thing is capturing precious little signal as it is, and that little signal attenuated by path loss at the distance and frequency you mention will put you on the negative side of the curve. If you put two yagis back to back, apparently you only want to relay signals originating from one point, or one town. You have the right idea though. > So what happens if we put a discone up there with a 10 ele VHF beam > pointing at my house, as a passive repeater? The potential range from such > a high point is staggering. Same comments. A discone is wideband, but unity gain. You need capture area. Forget resonant antennas on receive. You want a lot of metal in the air. Do not overlook a good ground image also. Important on receive as well as transmit. Remember, all current flowing in the antenna also flows in the ground image. > Or link up a solar panel to a 12 v gel cell and a wide band RF amp through > the same setup? How will you isolate things to where it doesn't talk to itself? If you radiate enough signal to do any good, you will overload the front end of the amp and create all sorts of problems. What you are describing is a "translator". They repeat a wide range of frequencies, AM and FM broadcast from the outside world into tunnels. Baltimore's Harbor tunnels have excellent translators. You barely notice any change in signal on FM broadcast even though you are many feet under water. If you can get some solar power, you can do a low powered active repeater, but for one frequency only. You would need very little power, like 50-100 milliwatts. Cheapest, most effective and most versatile likely would be to put up a tower or mast at your house, as high as possible. Then you can transmit as well as receive, on any frequency for which you can hang an antenna. Your thinking is valid. Do the math on the designs and you will see whether it is practical or not. Regards ... Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 585 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 7:16pm Subject: Jordanian 'spy' executed in Iraq Friday, June 9, 2000 Jordanian 'spy' executed in Iraq http://www.nando.com/noframes/story/0,2107,500213544-500301401-501666124-0,0 0.html Agence France-Presse BAGHDAD (June 8, 2000 4:54 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Iraq confirmed Thursday that it had executed Jordanian Daud Sulaiman al-Dalu for "spying." "Daud al-Dalu, who was married to an Iraqi, confessed his crime, spying, and was executed, and his accomplices were punished, a foreign ministry spokesman was quoted by the official INA news agency. "Dalu, who manufactured dentures, was arrested in Iraq in 1991 for spying," the spokesman said. "Investigation showed that he was part of a network of conspirators and spies hostile to Iraq and its leaders," he added without saying when the execution had taken place. Jordan's press, quoting the official Petra news agency, said Tuesday the kingdom had protested to Iraq over the execution last week of Dalu, who had been jailed in Iraq since 1993 on unspecified charges. Jordan repeatedly tried through its embassy in Iraq to secure Dalu's release but never received a response from Baghdad, according to Petra. =================================================================== Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 586 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 10:45am Subject: Monastery Life [Humor] A new monk arrives at the monastery. He is assigned to help the other monks in copying the old texts by hand. He notices, however, that they are copying copies, not the original books. So, the new monk goes to the head monk to ask him about this. He points out that if there were an error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the other copies. The head monk says "We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son." So, he goes down into the cellar with one of the copies to check it against the original. Hours later, nobody has seen him. So, one of the monks goes downstairs to look for him. He hears a sobbing coming from the back of the cellar, and finds the old monk leaning over one of the original books crying. He asks the old monk what's wrong, and in a choked voice came the reply... "The word is 'celebrate'." =================================================================== Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 587 From: Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 0:33pm Subject: Re: On-hook Security check hellodirect.com website. they have teleconferencing products. don't know if they have secure lines. you could add scramblers at either end. hope this helps. there are commercially available scrambling devices available. not sure of their quality or reliability. HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 588 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 0:46pm Subject: Feds Urged to Beef Up Spying http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,36868,00.html Feds Urged to Beef Up Spying by Declan McCullagh 10:50 a.m. Jun. 9, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON -- Congress must give federal police more eavesdropping abilities and increase the budgets of spy agencies, members of a federal commission are recommending. The Justice Department is "overly cautious" when forwarding requests for wiretaps and electronic surveillance to a secret court established in 1978 for that purpose, Paul Bremer, the National Commission on Terrorism chairman, said Thursday. Bremer also told the Senate Intelligence committee that technologies such as encryption and fiber optics are making it tough for the once-super-secret National Security Agency to eavesdrop on the world's communications -- and such surveillance is more vital than ever. [snip] In a letter sent this week to Senator Richard Shelby (R-Alabama), chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee, the commission says: "Signals intelligence plays an increasingly vital role in U.S. counterterrorism efforts, yet the ability of the NSA to continue this essential mission is threatened by its failure to keep pace with changing technology. "The commission heard testimony from NSA representatives and others about the difficulties presented by the explosion in modern communications technologies. It is clear that while increased use of these technologies by intelligence targets presents potential collection opportunities, the NSA will not be able to exploit these opportunities without improvements in its own technology"," the letter said. [snip] The suggestions generated little or no controversy during Thursday's hearing. The Senate committee already reached a similar conclusion, saying in an April report that "rebuilding the NSA is the ... top priority. (We) will take whatever steps are necessary to ensure America's continuing superiority in the signals intelligence field." [snip] =================================================================== Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 589 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 0:47pm Subject: Chinese Spy Boat Operated in Waters Near Japan Chinese Spy Boat Operated in Waters Near Japan http://chblue.com/Article.asp?ID=277 Saturday, June 10, 2000 TOKYO -- A Chinese navy intelligence vessel conducted surveillance operations in the Pacific off Japan's Boso Peninsula, southeast of Tokyo, in late May, the Sankei Shimbun newspaper reported Saturday. The 4,420-ton Chinese icebreaker gathered information in Japan's 200-mile exclusive economic zone (EZZ) off the peninsula in Chiba Prefecture for the first time, the daily said, quoting officials of the Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF). Even though foreign vessels' activities are allowed within the zone, the Japanese government considers China's maritime research, conducted without prior notice, as violating the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, which grants certain rights to Japan over the territory. MSDF officials said the Chinese naval vessel initially engaged in intelligence activity for seven days from May 14 around Tsushima Island in Nagasaki Prefecture, located between the Korean Peninsula and Japan's southwestern main island of Kyushu. It then sailed northward in the Sea of Japan, passing the Tsugaru Strait between Japan's largest main island of Honshu and the northernmost main island of Hokkaido three times from May 23 to 26, the officials said. The ship then headed south in the Pacific, sailing in a circle in the EZZ, east of the Boso Peninsula, around May 30, they said. It later traveled to the sea northeast of Oshima Island, the largest of the Amami Islands off Kagoshima Prefecture, via seas south of Shikoku main island, and was confirmed moored in the area some 300 kilometers west-northwest of Oshima Island at 9 a.m. Monday, according to the officials. The vessel returned to Chinese territorial waters by Friday, wrapping up its first visit around the Japanese archipelago, they said. During the voyage, the ship extended whirling antenna believed to be a receiver of communication radio waves. It also used equipment whose possible purpose was to collect maritime data such as those related to tides and water temperature, the paper said. These data could be used for Chinese submarines, and the ship could have gathered information on radio waves concerning radar of the Air Self-Defense Force (ASDF) through its antenna, it said. Some ASDF bases used as radar sites are located near the Boso Peninsula, and there are several MSDF facilities near the Tsugaru Strait. Alarmed by these Chinese naval activities, Liberal Democratic Party Secretary General Hiromu Nonaka asked the Chinese government Friday to address unannounced intrusions by Chinese ships, out of consideration for the friendship between the two countries. During a meeting in Tokyo with Zhao Qizheng, director of the Chinese Communist Party's Central Office for Overseas Publicity, Nonaka said China should respond to the failure of the Chinese marine resource exploration ships to give notice prior to entering Japanese waters. =================================================================== Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 590 From: Dawn Star Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 7:33pm Subject: Scanlock technology Adrian from Scanlock said, "For instance when analysing a digital cellular (GSM) handset, the STACKED display will show the intermittent nature of the TDMA transmission from the phone whilst the PEAK HOLD trace will build up over several scans to show the modulation envelope of the signal. (See attached document - apologies to the list, but the document referred to can be also found at http://www.audiotel-int.com/news.html). The 'spectral occupancy' feature derives from the ability to display multiple overlaid spectra. The overlaid spectra can be displayed on top of each other in a 2D STACKED display or in a 3D 'WATERFALL' display. (See attached document). In the 3D 'WATERFALL' display mode, a section through the multiple spectra is available to show the 'occupancy' of a selected frequency." Adrian, is this then the technology your company feels will be the most effective to identify frequency hopping and spread spectrum devices that are only going to get tougher to identify in coming years or is there anything else in the works? About how much are we looking at to purchase your receiver and scanning software? Thanks, Roger Tolces Electronic Security [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 591 From: Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 9:07pm Subject: Re: I N S T R U C T I O N S F O R L I F E Subject: It might look like it's going to be a bad day if.... 1. Your income tax refund check bounces. 2. The bird singing outside your window is a vulture. 3. You get the blood test results.... you're allergic to chocolate. And, it concludes you're in fine health for someone twice your age. 5. You finally realize nothing you own is actually paid for. 6. The health inspector condemns your office coffee maker. 7. You have to use your Visa card to pay your MasterCard (doesn't everyone? 8. Your plans to eatout tonight include a sandwich on the front porch. 9. You open briefcase for a big meeting, & only find your son's coloring book 10. You lock your car and immediately notice keys hanging in the ignition. 11. Your see the film crew from "60 Minutes" is waiting in your office. We treat our two labs (1 black, 1 yellow) like our kids. However we had to give up teaching them to use the computer. After hours and hours we finally realized some of the problems: 1. Can't stick thier heads out of Windows 98. 2. Fetch command not available on all platforms. 3. It was too messy "marking" every Web site. 4. They can't help attacking the screen when hearing, "You've got mail." 5. Fire hydrant icon simply too frustrating. 6. Three words: Carpal Paw Syndrome. 7. Saliva-coated floppy disks caused real problems. 8. SIT and STAY were hard enough; DELETE and SAVE are out of the question! 9. Distracted by cats chasing the mouse, then, would not leave www.purina.com site. 10. TrO{gO HyAqR4tDc TgrOo TgYPmE WeIjTyH P;AzWqS,. ("Too hard to type with paws!"). HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! 592 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 11:41pm Subject: This is a great metaphor and lesson This is a great metaphor and lesson: One day an expert in time management was speaking to a group of Business students and, to drive home a point, used an illustration those Students will never forget. As he stood in front of the group of high powered overachievers he said, "Okay, time for a quiz." Then he pulled out a one-gallon, wide mouth Mason jar and set it on the table in front of him. Then he produced about a dozen fist-sized rocks and carefully placed them, one at a time, into the jar. When the jar was filled to the top and no more rocks would fit inside, he asked, "Is this jar full?" Everyone in the class said, "Yes." Then he said, "Really?" He reached under the table and pulled out a bucket of gravel. Then he dumped some gravel in and shook the jar causing pieces of gravel to work themselves down into the space between the big rocks. Then he asked the group once more, "Is the jar full?" By this time the class was on to him. "Probably not," one of them answered. "Good!" he replied. He reached under the table and brought out a bucket of sand. He started dumping the sand in the jar and it went into all of the spaces left between the rocks and the gravel. Once more he asked the question, "Is this jar full?" "No!" the class shouted. Once again he said, "Good." Then he grabbed a pitcher of water and began to pour it in until the jar was filled to the brim. Then he looked at the class and asked, "What is the point of this illustration?" One eager beaver raised his hand and said, "The point is, no matter how full your schedule is, if you try really hard you can always fit some more things in it!" "No," the speaker replied, "that's not the point. The truth this illustration teaches us is: If you don't put the big rocks in first, you'll never get them in at all. What are the 'big rocks' in your life? Time with your loved ones? Your faith, your education, your dreams? A worthy cause? Teaching or mentoring others? Remember to put these BIG ROCKS in first or you'll never get them in at all." So, tonight, or in the morning, when you are reflecting on this short story, ask yourself this question: What are the 'big rocks' in my life? Then, put those in your jar first. =================================================================== Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 593 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 11:42pm Subject: Doing the Wrong Thing 594 From: andre holmes <1ach@g...> Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 9:17am Subject: SCANLOCK Based on information provided to the list I would like to know 1 - this new scanlock unit has the capibility to demodulate digital information carrier 800-1.8 gig true or false 2 - is this a restricted item here in the US 3- does the unit have the same ic as in modern cell phone technology. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 595 From: William Knowles Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 9:50am Subject: Swedish Hacker-Tracker Is FBI And Media Darling http://news.excite.com/news/r/000610/22/net-sweden-computer-dc Updated 10:26 PM ET June 10, 2000 By Eva Sohlman STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - The FBI, desperate to track down the source of the "Love Bug" computer virus last month, turned to a shy 19-year-old Swedish student. Jonathan James came under the media spotlight after he helped the world's most famous crime-busting agency trace the origins of the virus that caused billions of dollars in damage to computers around the world. But right now he is more interested in getting through his school exams and enrolling in law school later this year. In recent weeks more than 150 foreign journalists have called James or traveled to his home -- a country cottage a short distance outside the university town of Uppsala -- to get his story. James is unfazed by the media attention. He is concentrating on finishing his school exams this month and is setting up a joint venture for computer security solutions. The journalists are not the only ones to court James. The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) calls him several times a week to discuss security issues and ways of tracing computer hackers. The first time they contacted him, he said, was when he had tracked down the creator of the "Melissa" virus in 1999 -- something the FBI still have not acknowledged officially. "Well, I suppose it's hard to admit someone else did their job," James told Reuters. He recalled how they seemed to expect him to be honored by their call and spoke to him condescendingly. "But I called them by their first names and that cooled them down." James says he is not interested in hacking or computer games, and denied that he was working on a new virus. With the media frenzy surrounding "Melissa" still fresh in his mind, he told the FBI he would not help track the "Love Bug" when it emerged at the beginning of May. "I had decided that this time they would have to do it on their own but then I had a few hours left over on the Sunday..., he said. James decided to try to find out who was behind the virus when another Swede pointed the finger at a German student. Within hours he had gathered information on some well-known hackers' styles of programming and found one which had elements in common with the "Love Bug." The next day, the Washington Post, drawing on U.S. officials, reported James' findings as the most crucial and later in the day a 24-year-old Philippine computer student who had submitted a thesis describing a program similar to the virus, was arrested. The FBI had come to the same conclusion, James says. The only difference was that it had taken them days. U.S. security expert Richard M. Smith said many computer experts had taken part in the virus hunt but that James was the single most important player. "Jonathan found extremely important clues and if he hadn't been around it would have taken some more days to find the guy," Smith said. INTERNATIONAL TOP-HACKER CAREER NOT ON THE AGENDA But a career as a professional hacker, working for the world's most sophisticated intelligence services, does not appeal to James. "I want to be my own boss and decide myself what I should or shouldn't do," he said. He will start law studies at university later this year. "I've wanted to study law since I was nine -- even before I got into computers -- and I think it could be fruitful to combine it with computers." James says he is interested in security programming computers because it resembles the language studies that fascinate him. Studies in Greek, German, English and Latin help him to trace the origins of words -- something he says he enjoys while reading. The Swedish spy story writer Jan Guillou and American author John Grisham are his favorite writers. In the little spare time he has James practices martial arts, listens to all kinds of music, especially American hip-hop, and hangs out with his half-English family who have helped him keep his feet firmly on the ground during the media circus. He tells of the time a journalist from French television was standing outside his house at 9.30 in the morning and caught him in his underwear. "I was only wearing boxer shorts and there she was. She never wanted to leave but just sat there on our sofa and left around one o'clock in the afternoon." GOVERNMENTS LAX ON SECURITY James said he could not understand computer crime or why some people seemed to get a thrill from it. "It's just vanity that seems to drive those hackers," he said. He criticized governments for being too lax with security, adding that he had found a big security hole in the homepage of Sweden's ruling Social Democrats but it took three weeks before it was sorted out. He thinks worries about the security of on-line shopping are over-hyped because it is much harder to obtain credit card numbers without being traced than most people believe. On the other hand there is no such thing as a 100 percent safe Web site, he concluded. *-------------------------------------------------* "Communications without intelligence is noise; Intelligence without communications is irrelevant." Gen. Alfred. M. Gray, USMC --------------------------------------------------- C4I Secure Solutions http://www.c4i.org *-------------------------------------------------* 596 From: Dawn Star Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 4:55pm Subject: Secret Wiretap Court Wiretaps sought in record numbers > >By Richard Willing >USA TODAY > > >WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department last year sought and received permission >from a secret federal court to place a record 880 wiretaps in spying and >terrorism investigations, department records show. > >An FBI official says the taps demonstrate increased interest in pursuing >foreign agents operating on U.S. soil, including some linked to Mideast >terrorist groups. > >Arab-Americans and civil libertarians decried the taps, in part because the >secret federal court is not required to tell targets why the taps were >sought. When wiretaps are ordered in other federal investigations, court >proceedings usually are part of the public record. > >''We're concerned over the disregard we see for civil liberties in this >administration,'' says James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, >a civic and political group based in Washington. The wiretaps, which are >applied for by the Justice Department and usually carried out by the FBI or >National Security Agency, have increased dramatically during the Clinton >administration. By contrast, 484 such wiretaps were authorized the year >before Clinton took office. > >The administration sought 601 federal wiretaps in ordinary criminal >investigations in 1999. ''The increase (in spying and terrorist wiretaps) is >troubling because of the lack of accountability in the secret process,'' says >author and electronic privacy advocate David Banisar. The wiretap records >were obtained by privacy advocates under a federal Freedom of Information Act >request and reviewed by USA TODAY. The Justice Department did not respond to >requests for comment. > >The Justice Department's records do not show how many of the wiretaps led to >prosecutions. > >The secret wiretap court was created by the Federal Intelligence Surveillance >Act of 1978. It was designed to check the power of presidents who authorized >wiretaps and searches that didn't require warrants based on possible threats >to national security. > >The court has approved more than 13,600 wiretap requests in 22 years and has >rejected one. > > >- >Front page, News, Sports, Money, Life, Weather, Marketplace >© Copyright 2000 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 597 From: Dawn Star Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 4:59pm Subject: sneak and peak Anti-Drug Bill Would Allow Secret Searches, Create New Crime: "Illegal Distribution of Information" Immediate action required: Stop the "Methamphetamine Anti- Proliferation Act" now! A bill that has passed the Senate unanimously and is now rapidly moving through the House poses a grave threat to your constitutional rights. This legislation -- HR 2987, also known as the Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act -- would: * Expand the government's power to conduct so-called "sneak-and- peek searches." Police could search your house and not notify you for up to six months. * Make it a federal crime to write about any Internet site that provides drug paraphernalia. * Allow the government to prosecute Americans who teach others how to grow medical marijuana plants. Despite the fact that this legislation is a flagrant assault on your First and Fourth Amendment rights, it sailed through the Senate on November 19 without a single vote against it. Now we need your help urgently to stop HR 2987 before the House approves it as well! HR 2987 is *overdue* for a vote: It was originally scheduled to be considered by the Judiciary Committee before the Memorial Day recess, but that action was postponed. Now that the House has reconvened, a vote could be scheduled any day. (The legislation is also being considered by the House Commerce Committee.) We are asking you to act now to kill this bill before it gets out of committee. This "action item" contains: * Background on HR 2987 and a link to the bill so you can read it for yourself. * The names of the politicians on the two House committees considering this bill, Judiciary and Commerce. * Information on how to contact them and on what to say. BACKGROUND: The Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act was introduced in July, 1999, by Senators Dianne Feinstein, D-CA, and Orrin Hatch, R-UT. On November 19, the bill passed the Senate by "unanimous consent" with no recorded opposition. Hatch and Feinstein claim their bill merely targets labs that produce methamphetamine, a form of speed. But the bill goes far beyond that and gives the federal government sweeping new powers. Specifically: * It would allow federal agents to conduct so-called "sneak and peek" searches without having to notify you for six months -- if ever. Current law requires that, if police want to search your home, they must produce a warrant, and if you're not home, they have to immediately notify you about the search and give you an inventory of confiscated items. But in vague, seemingly innocuous language in the section of HR 2987 entitled "Notice of Issuance," the legislation says that "any notice required" to be given for a search "may be delayed pursuant to the standards, terms, and conditions set forth in section 2705" of federal law. That section, according to legal experts, lets police delay notification for up to 180 days. That means police could conduct a "black bag" job on your house, search through your belongings -- and not even inform you they were there for a full six months. * It would allow federal agents to secretly copy your computer files and financial documents, and even take photographs of your belongings without ever notifying you. How did this happen? Lobbyists for the FBI quietly inserted the word "tangible" before the word "property" in the following sentence of the bill: "Subdivision (d) of such rule, as in effect on this date, is amended by inserting 'tangible' before 'property' each place it occurs." Since copies of your computer's hard drive -- and photographs of your personal belongings -- technically are not "tangible property," FBI and DEA agents would not have to notify you. The "sneak and peek" provision is such a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment that it even caught the attention of Republican Rep. Bob Barr -- normally a vociferous supporter of the government's War on Drugs. Barr called the underhanded maneuver "typical behavior from the Justice Department and the FBI. That's certainly not the way to conduct business when you're dealing with people's liberties." HR 2987 also attacks your First Amendment freedoms by creating several "communication crimes." It: * Creates a federal felony -- punishable by a 10-year prison term -- called "Illegal distribution of information." Section 421 of the bill says it shall be unlawful to "teach or demonstrate to any person the manufacture of a controlled substance." Lawyers say this provision could be used to prosecute, for example, an individual who told a suffering AIDS or cancer victim how to grow medical marijuana. * Makes it illegal to advertise -- even indirectly -- drug paraphernalia. Section 5 of the bill says it shall be illegal for any "communications facility" to "post, publicize, transmit, publish, link to, broadcast or otherwise advertise" any sort of "drug paraphernalia" or "controlled substances." So, "if you had links on your web site to sites like High Times magazine, you could be threatened with a count of indirect advertising," according to Keith Stroup, executive director of NORML. Thanks to HR 2987, the War on Drugs has become a War on Words! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 598 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 9:46pm Subject: Re: sneak and peak At 2:59 PM -0700 6/11/00, Dawn Star wrote: >Anti-Drug Bill Would Allow Secret Searches, >Create New Crime: "Illegal Distribution of Information" > > Immediate action required: Stop the "Methamphetamine Anti- >Proliferation Act" now! > > A bill that has passed the Senate unanimously and is now >rapidly moving through the House poses a grave threat to your >constitutional rights. This legislation -- HR 2987, also known as the >Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act -- would: [The List Moderator Speaketh] No offense, but this is not a "look how evil the government is" forum, but instead a forum for TSCM and technical security. While a little off topics humor, levity, SECURITY or INTELLIGENCE related news and so on is fine, political gripes, grumbling, and bitching is best kept off the list. I would add that any politician foolish enough to attempt to squelch a right guaranteed by the constitution will find the citizens of this country more them happy to remove them from office (by any means necessary). Do not go gently into that dark night... [The List Moderator Shuts Up] -jma =================================================================== Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 599 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 10:57pm Subject: So What's the Problem? CSIS trains foreign spies http://www.ottawacitizen.com/national/000612/4262795.html Poor nations send agents to learn law, democracy Jim Bronskill The Ottawa Citizen Canada's intelligence agency is quietly training spies from South America, Africa and Eastern Europe. Newly declassified records show the Canadian Security Intelligence Service has held two major instructional seminars for foreign agents at its headquarters near Ottawa. A third session is planned for this year. The documents, obtained under the Access to Information Act, shed light on a little-known aspect of CSIS's work and provide a glimpse of the vast network of international alliances the spy agency has forged. The annual two-week training course covers a broad range of subjects, including intelligence analysis, counter-terrorism and security screening. The program was established in 1998 in response to requests from foreign intelligence services for guidance and assistance. Participants are chosen from allied agencies with which CSIS has formal liaison arrangements. Citing security reasons, CSIS spokesman Dan Lambert declined to name countries or agencies from the three continents that have sent intelligence personnel to the program. However, he indicated many of the participant agencies are learning to operate according to democratic principles and the sort of legal framework under which CSIS functions. "We're not talking about oppressive regimes, but we're talking about countries who may be developing," Mr. Lambert said. "It's a point of lending them a real understanding of how we do things." CSIS, which has liaison arrangements with more than 200 foreign agencies, often must tread carefully to ensure sensitive information it supplies to an ally is not used by that country's security services or military to endanger the human rights of citizens. The Security Intelligence Review Committee, the watchdog over CSIS, reminded the spy service last fall that "all possible care" should be taken to avoid such abuses. Mr. Lambert said the annual training program supports Canada's goal of encouraging the conduct of security and intelligence work with respect for democratic traditions. The sessions also help foster stronger relationships with foreign agencies, he said. The fact Eastern European countries have received intelligence training from CSIS underscores the massive change that has taken place since the Cold War, when Canada vigilantly guarded against East Bloc espionage. A CSIS memo says last spring's training program featured a "rather eclectic mix of countries and agencies." The course covered topics including the role of an intelligence service in a democracy, the legal basis for CSIS, liaison with government, and structures of accountability and review. An outline says the program also emphasized "practical applications of intelligence operations," though details were deleted from the memo. Records indicate, however, that there were sessions on security screening, intelligence analysis and production, and the assessment of threats posed by terrorists and hostile spies. Participants, who were required to have a working knowledge of English, also learned the basics of developing their own training programs. Mr. Lambert would not reveal the amount spent on the training initiative, noting the spy agency doesn't release detailed budget breakdowns. CSIS covers the training expenses, while travel, lodging and most meals are the responsibility of course participants. Last year's program was considered "a most successful endeavor," based on comments from attendees. However, a memo prepared by the CSIS official who led the project noted the difficulty in telling whether objectives were being met. "Goals such as 'enhanced co-operation' and 'helping others to help themselves' are difficult areas to assess." The official recommended members of the CSIS training and development division travel and meet with some graduates to "assist in determining if we are delivering a viable program." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ =================================================================== Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Nil carborundum illigitimi =================================================================== 600 From: A Grudko Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 6:26pm Subject: Control Freaks.......... Heard some news today. It would appear that the Brit Gov. are looking for ways to get into your Email. I cannot verify the source but don't doubt that in practice this is exactly what our old friends would like to do. Security Agencies there will still need a warrant. This would be issued to your ISP. Then all the agency has to do is install a "black box" in their offices which will flag up key words and monitor the sites that a particular "mark" visits or downloads etc. The reasons given are to monitor urban terrorists and other criminal activity. Sites where you get info on how to build bombs and so on, was the example cited. However, if you use an encryption package (PGP) etc. The warrent would be issued directly to you. You would be instructed to give them your private de-coding key. If you refuse you could face a two year prison sentence. But here's a twist for you. If you TELL anyone that you have been issued a warrent for your private de-coding key, the sentance could go up to five years behind bars! How this would be applied to non-UK ISP's is unclear. Andy Grudko SACI Pres. 601 From: Lachlan Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 7:17am Subject: Re: Control Freaks.......... Seeing as you mention it. This is happening in Australia. [snip] Australian spooks and cops are set to have an easier time monitoring the telephone calls, communications and even the computers of the country's citizens with the passing of a new bill through Parliament today. [snip] http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/00/150247.html A Grudko wrote: > Heard some news today. It would appear that the Brit Gov. are looking > for ways to get into your Email. I cannot verify the source but don't doubt > that in practice this is exactly what our old friends would like to do. > > Security Agencies there will still need a warrant. This would be issued > to your ISP. Then all the agency has to do is install a "black box" in > their offices which will flag up key words and monitor the sites that a > particular "mark" visits or downloads etc. > > The reasons given are to monitor urban terrorists and other criminal > activity. Sites where you get info on how to build bombs and so on, was > the example cited. > > However, if you use an encryption package (PGP) etc. The warrent would > be issued directly to you. You would be instructed to give them your > private de-coding key. If you refuse you could face a two year prison > sentence. > > But here's a twist for you. If you TELL anyone that you have been issued > a warrent for your private de-coding key, the sentance could go up to > five years behind bars! > > How this would be applied to non-UK ISP's is unclear. > > Andy Grudko > SACI Pres. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > IT Professionals: Match your unique skills with the best IT projects at > http://click.egroups.com/1/3381/1/_/507420/_/960893208/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS -- I-T- egroup @ http://www.egroups.com/group/I-T-