From: Steve Uhrig Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:12pm Subject: Re: Alpha 5 Mist tracking system On 15 Aug 2002 at 9:50, k9electron wrote: > Hi, Ive been reading the post on GPS tracking and thought I would > introduce a non GPS/GSM or even battery/mains powered tracking system > with a range of 600Km. > There is absolutely no R.F. present. This has been tested with the > best equipment on the market. Furthermore the tracking device or bug > as we call it does not operate by battery power. The size of the bug > is extremely small and they are made in different shapes, the largest > one is like a vitamin capsule. The smallest one is to be implanted > inside a tooth of the object. > The operational range of the tracking system is guaranteed to 6000 > kilometres. This is a classic example of what I have been referring to. The above product does not exist, cannot exist, and the SPY SHOP selling it has never seen it in operation. If they claim they have, they're lying. Textbook example of HYPERBOLE. I guess even spy shop operators have no limit as to the extent to which they themselves can be deceived. Of course, they claim to be experts. The fellow posting this and the website advertising it merely picked it up from some vaporware press release, act as if they invented it and actually have them to deliver. To save you the effort, if my mental math is correct, 6000 KM is roughly 3500 miles, or approximately the distance from the U.S. East Coast to the West Coast. You can implant this passive device in a tooth, and I.D. someone from the other end of the continent. Right. I'll take two. Better yet, let me be a distributor. Even if the infrastructure for receiving and monitoring, which conveniently was not mentioned, were all the NRO satellite assets this would still be impossible. Sad. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 6004 From: Michael Puchol Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:36pm Subject: Re: Re: Alpha 5 Mist tracking system Er... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Uhrig" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:12 PM Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Alpha 5 Mist tracking system > To save you the effort, if my mental math is correct, 6000 KM is > roughly 3500 miles, or approximately the distance from the U.S. East > Coast to the West Coast. You can implant this passive device in a > tooth, and I.D. someone from the other end of the continent. Take this statement from the website: "Calibration requirements Minimum 18 months. Customer specified" So if I want to plant this inside some drug dealer's tooth, I'd have to send the drug dealer plus implanted bug to the manufacturer for an 18 month+ calibration period? Who's paying the accomodation, food, etc.? Says it all me thinks. Cheers, Mike 6005 From: A Grudko Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:00pm Subject: Re: Alpha 5 Mist tracking system No, come on James, you wrote this to tease us ? ----- Original Message ----- From: k9electron <> To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:50 AM Subject: [TSCM-L] Alpha 5 Mist tracking system > Hi, Ive been reading the post on GPS tracking and thought I would > introduce a non GPS/GSM or even battery/mains powered tracking > system with a range of 600Km. > > The crucial, most important feature is that the system is totally > passive. > > There is absolutely no R.F. present. This has been tested with the > best equipment on the market. Furthermore the tracking device or bug > as we call it does not operate by battery power. The size of the bug > is extremely small and they are made in different shapes, the > largest one is like a vitamin capsule. The smallest one is to be > implanted inside a tooth of the object. > > The operational range of the tracking system is guaranteed to 6000 > kilometres. > > Looking at the technologies on the market today, the signal from the > ALPHA FIVE MIST) can not be jammed in any way > > The absolutely main factor here is that the bug is 100% passive. The > suspect will never know that there is anything installed or placed. > More strategically on covert operations because no equipment will > give any indication that an operation is going on. We even can > supply the bugs in metal or plastic versions. Metal detectors, or > non-linear junction detectors will of course not detect the latter. > The truly "invisible" bug is here. > > Nothing else on the market today has these specifications. > > more info at http://www.spy-equipment.co.uk/Tracking/tracking.html > Glenn 6006 From: Kirk Adirim Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:37pm Subject: RE: Alpha 5 Mist tracking system Wow, I can't believe that they're still hawking this crap. I had my hands on this unit over 10 years ago at a surveillance trade show. It's nothing more than a block of plastic with a telescopic "rabbit ears" t.v. antenna and an insertable card tray that held what looked like carbon paper. I was told by the huckster that the trays (purchased seperately of course) held the molecular composition of whatever you were looking for, be it bugs, narcotics, explosives etc. The antenna was on a swivel base and would "point" to the target. You just followed it like a Divining Rod. All that was necessary was to insert the card of that particular "molecular property" to make the "Detector" sensitive to that item. You would purchase cards for each type of eavesdropping device, narcotic or explosive. Today they've jumped on the bandwagon offering Bio-chemical and GPS cards. Prime Time or 20/20 did an expose' story on this company where they had conned some police dept. into buying these units to sniff out drugs in high school lockers, cars, persons etc. Needless to say that it failed miserably This company was succesfully prosecuted by the Federal Govt. and paid some major fines. This product is SO outragious that even CCS won't touch it. Now THAT tells you something. Kirk www.tactronix.com -----Original Message----- From: k9electron [mailto:k9sales@n...] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:51 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Alpha 5 Mist tracking system Hi, Ive been reading the post on GPS tracking and thought I would introduce a non GPS/GSM or even battery/mains powered tracking system with a range of 600Km. The crucial, most important feature is that the system is totally passive. There is absolutely no R.F. present. This has been tested with the best equipment on the market. Furthermore the tracking device or bug as we call it does not operate by battery power. The size of the bug is extremely small and they are made in different shapes, the largest one is like a vitamin capsule. The smallest one is to be implanted inside a tooth of the object. The operational range of the tracking system is guaranteed to 6000 kilometres. Looking at the technologies on the market today, the signal from the ALPHA FIVE MIST) can not be jammed in any way The absolutely main factor here is that the bug is 100% passive. The suspect will never know that there is anything installed or placed. More strategically on covert operations because no equipment will give any indication that an operation is going on. We even can supply the bugs in metal or plastic versions. Metal detectors, or non-linear junction detectors will of course not detect the latter. The truly "invisible" bug is here. Nothing else on the market today has these specifications. more info at http://www.spy-equipment.co.uk/Tracking/tracking.html Glenn ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 6007 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:40pm Subject: Re: GPS frauds On 15 Aug 2002 at 13:57, iDEN-i100 wrote: > I have asked the MSNBC Tech Reporter (whom I know) to obtain a demo > unit and take it on a test drive. Lets see what the company says. Reporters are early on to be taken in, even technically oriented ones. Several dozen magazines have endorsed these things after attending invitations to faked demos. I've consulted with several of them. If this reporter is able to obtain one for demo as claimed on the website, which I am positive he will not, I'd like to give him a specific list of things to try and questions to ask. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 6008 From: iDEN-i100 Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:49pm Subject: Re: Re: GPS frauds Ok, I will fwd your info to him. Steve Uhrig wrote: > On 15 Aug 2002 at 13:57, iDEN-i100 wrote: > > > I have asked the MSNBC Tech Reporter (whom I know) to obtain a demo > > unit and take it on a test drive. Lets see what the company says. > > Reporters are early on to be taken in, even technically oriented > ones. > > Several dozen magazines have endorsed these things after attending > invitations to faked demos. I've consulted with several of them. > > If this reporter is able to obtain one for demo as claimed on the > website, which I am positive he will not, I'd like to give him a > specific list of things to try and questions to ask. > > Steve-- "NEXTEL1 IT'S NOT JUST NEXTEL" Subscribe to Nextel1: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL1 "NEXTEL2 FOR iDEN SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS" Subscribe to Nextel2: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL2 "WIRELESS FORUM HOMELAND SECURITY GROUP" The Complete Resource for Wireless Homeland Security. Subscribe to WFHSG: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WFHSG 6009 From: Fernando Martins Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:16pm Subject: RE: Study: Lights better crime fighters than cameras > The research found that CCTV cameras, as they are known in > Britain [MP: Yea, it's a British thing, we American's have no > idea what CCTV is, like tea, or bangers and eggs...], had no > effect on violent crimes, but a significant effect on auto > theft and vandalism. While cameras in urban areas reduced > crime by just 2 percent, cameras in parking lots cut car > crime by 41 percent. BTW ... CCTV is turning more and more to OCTV, and some American vendors are already saying "this is not CCTV, this is an open video system". In IT terms, this days it's like comparing a LAN with the Internet. So, I hope that if americans have no idea what CCTV is, good for them :> As for the food in UK, you better don't know anything, because it's just to bad to be true. Of course, at least in London or Manchester (the ones that I know of) there is the salvation of the portuguese restaurantes eheheh (yeah, and italian too). FM 6010 From: Fernando Martins Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:21pm Subject: RE: Re: GPS wristwatch Any experience/opinion about Chubb's CabWatch (or alternatives, if any)? http://www.chubb.co.uk/ FM 6011 From: Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 0:37pm Subject: Interesting Manual Available as a Download. Electronic Crime Scene Investigation 93 pages Click here: http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/187736.pdf Interesting and a good read. 6012 From: Matt Paulsen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:46pm Subject: RE: Re: GPS wristwatch Zurich - leads to... http://www.zurich.com/global_locator/locator_service_bulist.jhtml;jsessionid =JF4J31TN0QJH4CR4SJSB5VQ?_DARGS=/_body/en/products_solutions_en.jhtml.2 ...Empire Fire & Marine - http://www.empirefireandmarine.com/productsframe.htm Also check http://www.zurichna.com/ the North American division or www.zurich.co.uk for the UK division. Thanks, Matt Paulsen President/CEO Orange Networks LLC P: 503.892.8786 F: 503.892.8794 -----Original Message----- From: Fernando Martins [mailto:fernando.martins@e...] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:21 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch Any experience/opinion about Chubb's CabWatch (or alternatives, if any)? http://www.chubb.co.uk/ FM ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 6013 From: Matt Paulsen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:46pm Subject: RE: Study: Lights better crime fighters than cameras It's all my grandfathers fault, he was Irish. I have bad taste... and nose.. and teeth... and... -----Original Message----- From: Fernando Martins [mailto:fernando.martins@e...] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:16 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Study: Lights better crime fighters than cameras > The research found that CCTV cameras, as they are known in > Britain [MP: Yea, it's a British thing, we American's have no > idea what CCTV is, like tea, or bangers and eggs...], had no > effect on violent crimes, but a significant effect on auto > theft and vandalism. While cameras in urban areas reduced > crime by just 2 percent, cameras in parking lots cut car > crime by 41 percent. BTW ... CCTV is turning more and more to OCTV, and some American vendors are already saying "this is not CCTV, this is an open video system". In IT terms, this days it's like comparing a LAN with the Internet. So, I hope that if americans have no idea what CCTV is, good for them :> As for the food in UK, you better don't know anything, because it's just to bad to be true. Of course, at least in London or Manchester (the ones that I know of) there is the salvation of the portuguese restaurantes eheheh (yeah, and italian too). FM ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 6014 From: Michael Puchol Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:48pm Subject: Re: Re: GPS wristwatch Hi Fernando, We developed a prototype system that sent video captures over analog trunked radio (MPT1327) using SSTV, which had superimposed the GPS coordinates of the vehicle at the time. We have video capture boards that can capture frames from up to four color/bw camera inputs and send them via GSM, PMR, or other means, or store them on memory for later retrieval. This can be easily integrated with a standard AVL system. Chubb just made it look nice and flashy for the public / media. The only problem I have dealing with taxi companies is that they don't pay. Plain and simple. Just recently the Madrid taxi service got a system like this, minus the video (GPS location and audio via GSM), but only some drivers bought it, others didn't, in all, a bit of a mess. All the best, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Martins" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > Any experience/opinion about Chubb's CabWatch (or alternatives, if any)? > http://www.chubb.co.uk/ > > FM > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 6015 From: iDEN-i100 Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:56pm Subject: Re: Re: GPS wristwatch Here is the advanced chip set in the GPS Watch- http://www.sirf.com/ Michael Puchol wrote: > Hi Fernando, > > We developed a prototype system that sent video captures over analog trunked > radio (MPT1327) using SSTV, which had superimposed the GPS coordinates of > the vehicle at the time. We have video capture boards that can capture > frames from up to four color/bw camera inputs and send them via GSM, PMR, or > other means, or store them on memory for later retrieval. This can be easily > integrated with a standard AVL system. Chubb just made it look nice and > flashy for the public / media. > > The only problem I have dealing with taxi companies is that they don't pay. > Plain and simple. Just recently the Madrid taxi service got a system like > this, minus the video (GPS location and audio via GSM), but only some > drivers bought it, others didn't, in all, a bit of a mess. > > All the best, > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fernando Martins" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:21 PM > Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > > > Any experience/opinion about Chubb's CabWatch (or alternatives, if any)? > > http://www.chubb.co.uk/ > > > > FM > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > =================================================== TSKS > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- "NEXTEL1 IT'S NOT JUST NEXTEL" Subscribe to Nextel1: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL1 "NEXTEL2 FOR iDEN SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS" Subscribe to Nextel2: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL2 "WIRELESS FORUM HOMELAND SECURITY GROUP" The Complete Resource for Wireless Homeland Security. Subscribe to WFHSG: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WFHSG 6016 From: Michael Puchol Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:30pm Subject: Re: Re: GPS wristwatch Hi Marcel, SiRF makes a large portion of all the GPS chipsets currently in use by consumer-grade GPS receivers/systems. They are to the GPS industry what Intel is to the PC industry (well, almost). Check out this page for some taiwanese GPS receivers that use the SiRF chipset, and work rather well for their price http://www.sanav.com They now have a unit that integrates receiver, antenna and 4Mbit memory for logging at configurable intervals, in a rather small package. I've had one of these units under the passenger seat in a Chrysler Voyager, in good conditions (open road, no buildings or other obstructions), giving a valid fix - this was however quite touchy, and lost fix when non-ideal constellation configuration occured. Cheers, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "iDEN-i100" To: "Michael Puchol" ; ; "Steve Uhrig" Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > Here is the advanced chip set in the GPS Watch- > > http://www.sirf.com/ > > Michael Puchol wrote: > > > Hi Fernando, > > > > We developed a prototype system that sent video captures over analog trunked > > radio (MPT1327) using SSTV, which had superimposed the GPS coordinates of > > the vehicle at the time. We have video capture boards that can capture > > frames from up to four color/bw camera inputs and send them via GSM, PMR, or > > other means, or store them on memory for later retrieval. This can be easily > > integrated with a standard AVL system. Chubb just made it look nice and > > flashy for the public / media. > > > > The only problem I have dealing with taxi companies is that they don't pay. > > Plain and simple. Just recently the Madrid taxi service got a system like > > this, minus the video (GPS location and audio via GSM), but only some > > drivers bought it, others didn't, in all, a bit of a mess. > > > > All the best, > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fernando Martins" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:21 PM > > Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > > > > > Any experience/opinion about Chubb's CabWatch (or alternatives, if any)? > > > http://www.chubb.co.uk/ > > > > > > FM > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > =================================================== TSKS > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > =================================================== TSKS > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > "NEXTEL1 IT'S NOT JUST NEXTEL" > Subscribe to Nextel1: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL1 > > "NEXTEL2 FOR iDEN SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS" > Subscribe to Nextel2: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL2 > > "WIRELESS FORUM HOMELAND SECURITY GROUP" > The Complete Resource for Wireless Homeland Security. > Subscribe to WFHSG: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WFHSG > > 6017 From: Greg H. Walker, Attorney At Law Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:29pm Subject: Re: Alpha 5 Mist tracking system I love their website -- "It uses molecular identification to locate the object". This is the old "divining rod" scam -- in the divining rod scam you had a rod bent in an "L" shape with a handle on one end that was fitted with ball bearings so that it swung easily and on the other end you had a case (actually its real purpose was to be a weight to make the rod swing with just a minor movement of the hand) and in the case you could put cocaine, money, oil, hair from a lost child, etc. or whatever you wanted to find and then it would point you in the direction of whatever was in the case. Their demonstrators would "salt" the demo site with money (oh, by the way, if you wanted to find only $ 20 bills, then put a $ 20 bill in the case, it would overlook $ 10s and $ 5s) -- they actually did one with cocaine and got a municipal police department's narcotic unit to buy one after they seen the demo -- needless to say the defense bar laughed themselves silly along with the jury. But when the city sued the seller for fraud, the seller convinced the jury that it worked and walked -- juries, don't you just love'em! Folks, listen to Steve because he has seen almost of the tricks -- remember, if it seems to good to be true, then it probably isn't true. GREG -- Greg H. Walker, ARM* Attorney At Law President RisKontroL -- Risk Management, Security Consulting & Investigations Houston, Texas (713) 850-0061 * Associate in Risk Management Designation (Insurance Institute of America's Center For Advanced Risk Management Education) WARNING NOTICE BY GHW: Greg H. Walker's comments are not intended to be and should absolutely not be taken as legal advice. Unless you have entered into a specific written agreement with him for legal services, signed by both you and him, and paid him a retainer in good funds, then he is not your Attorney, does not intend to be your Attorney and you should not act nor refrain from acting based, in whole or in part, on his comments. 6018 From: iDEN-i100 Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:50pm Subject: Re: Re: GPS wristwatch Yep true- as well as a majority of ?handsets like iDEN Michael Puchol wrote: > Hi Marcel, > > SiRF makes a large portion of all the GPS chipsets currently in use by > consumer-grade GPS receivers/systems. They are to the GPS industry what > Intel is to the PC industry (well, almost). > > Check out this page for some taiwanese GPS receivers that use the SiRF > chipset, and work rather well for their price http://www.sanav.com They now > have a unit that integrates receiver, antenna and 4Mbit memory for logging > at configurable intervals, in a rather small package. I've had one of these > units under the passenger seat in a Chrysler Voyager, in good conditions > (open road, no buildings or other obstructions), giving a valid fix - this > was however quite touchy, and lost fix when non-ideal constellation > configuration occured. > > Cheers, > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "iDEN-i100" > To: "Michael Puchol" ; ; > "Steve Uhrig" > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > > > Here is the advanced chip set in the GPS Watch- > > > > http://www.sirf.com/ > > > > Michael Puchol wrote: > > > > > Hi Fernando, > > > > > > We developed a prototype system that sent video captures over analog > trunked > > > radio (MPT1327) using SSTV, which had superimposed the GPS coordinates > of > > > the vehicle at the time. We have video capture boards that can capture > > > frames from up to four color/bw camera inputs and send them via GSM, > PMR, or > > > other means, or store them on memory for later retrieval. This can be > easily > > > integrated with a standard AVL system. Chubb just made it look nice and > > > flashy for the public / media. > > > > > > The only problem I have dealing with taxi companies is that they don't > pay. > > > Plain and simple. Just recently the Madrid taxi service got a system > like > > > this, minus the video (GPS location and audio via GSM), but only some > > > drivers bought it, others didn't, in all, a bit of a mess. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fernando Martins" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:21 PM > > > Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > > > > > > > Any experience/opinion about Chubb's CabWatch (or alternatives, if > any)? > > > > http://www.chubb.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > FM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > > =================================================== TSKS > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Subscribe to WFHSG: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WFHSG 6019 From: Matt Paulsen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:36pm Subject: RE: Re: GPS wristwatch Oh yea sure.. didn't you know that's why Motorola partnered with SiRF, because their questionable and they wanted questionable chips in their iDEN handsets. http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,1202_893_23,00.html -----Original Message----- From: iDEN-i100 [mailto:Marcelrf@B...] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:50 PM To: Michael Puchol Cc: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch Yep true- as well as a majority of ?handsets like iDEN Michael Puchol wrote: > Hi Marcel, > > SiRF makes a large portion of all the GPS chipsets currently in use by > consumer-grade GPS receivers/systems. They are to the GPS industry what > Intel is to the PC industry (well, almost). > > Check out this page for some taiwanese GPS receivers that use the SiRF > chipset, and work rather well for their price http://www.sanav.com They now > have a unit that integrates receiver, antenna and 4Mbit memory for logging > at configurable intervals, in a rather small package. I've had one of these > units under the passenger seat in a Chrysler Voyager, in good conditions > (open road, no buildings or other obstructions), giving a valid fix - this > was however quite touchy, and lost fix when non-ideal constellation > configuration occured. > > Cheers, > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "iDEN-i100" > To: "Michael Puchol" ; ; > "Steve Uhrig" > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > > > Here is the advanced chip set in the GPS Watch- > > > > http://www.sirf.com/ > > > > Michael Puchol wrote: > > > > > Hi Fernando, > > > > > > We developed a prototype system that sent video captures over analog > trunked > > > radio (MPT1327) using SSTV, which had superimposed the GPS coordinates > of > > > the vehicle at the time. We have video capture boards that can capture > > > frames from up to four color/bw camera inputs and send them via GSM, > PMR, or > > > other means, or store them on memory for later retrieval. This can be > easily > > > integrated with a standard AVL system. Chubb just made it look nice and > > > flashy for the public / media. > > > > > > The only problem I have dealing with taxi companies is that they don't > pay. > > > Plain and simple. Just recently the Madrid taxi service got a system > like > > > this, minus the video (GPS location and audio via GSM), but only some > > > drivers bought it, others didn't, in all, a bit of a mess. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fernando Martins" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:21 PM > > > Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > > > > > > > Any experience/opinion about Chubb's CabWatch (or alternatives, if > any)? > > > > http://www.chubb.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > FM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > > =================================================== TSKS > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 6020 From: iDEN-i100 Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:51pm Subject: Re: Re: GPS wristwatch Who said they were questionable? Matt Paulsen wrote: > Oh yea sure.. didn't you know that's why Motorola partnered with SiRF, > because their questionable and they wanted questionable chips in their iDEN > handsets. > http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,1202_893_23,00.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: iDEN-i100 [mailto:Marcelrf@B...] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:50 PM > To: Michael Puchol > Cc: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > > Yep true- as well as a majority of ?handsets like iDEN > > Michael Puchol wrote: > > > Hi Marcel, > > > > SiRF makes a large portion of all the GPS chipsets currently in use by > > consumer-grade GPS receivers/systems. They are to the GPS industry what > > Intel is to the PC industry (well, almost). > > > > Check out this page for some taiwanese GPS receivers that use the SiRF > > chipset, and work rather well for their price http://www.sanav.com They > now > > have a unit that integrates receiver, antenna and 4Mbit memory for logging > > at configurable intervals, in a rather small package. I've had one of > these > > units under the passenger seat in a Chrysler Voyager, in good conditions > > (open road, no buildings or other obstructions), giving a valid fix - this > > was however quite touchy, and lost fix when non-ideal constellation > > configuration occured. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "iDEN-i100" > > To: "Michael Puchol" ; > ; > > "Steve Uhrig" > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > > > > > Here is the advanced chip set in the GPS Watch- > > > > > > http://www.sirf.com/ > > > > > > Michael Puchol wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Fernando, > > > > > > > > We developed a prototype system that sent video captures over analog > > trunked > > > > radio (MPT1327) using SSTV, which had superimposed the GPS coordinates > > of > > > > the vehicle at the time. We have video capture boards that can capture > > > > frames from up to four color/bw camera inputs and send them via GSM, > > PMR, or > > > > other means, or store them on memory for later retrieval. This can be > > easily > > > > integrated with a standard AVL system. Chubb just made it look nice > and > > > > flashy for the public / media. > > > > > > > > The only problem I have dealing with taxi companies is that they don't > > pay. > > > > Plain and simple. Just recently the Madrid taxi service got a system > > like > > > > this, minus the video (GPS location and audio via GSM), but only some > > > > drivers bought it, others didn't, in all, a bit of a mess. > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Fernando Martins" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:21 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Re: GPS wristwatch > > > > > > > > > Any experience/opinion about Chubb's CabWatch (or alternatives, if > > any)? > > > > > http://www.chubb.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > FM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > > > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > > > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > > > > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > > > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > > > =================================================== TSKS > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Subscribe to WFHSG: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WFHSG 6021 From: Guy Urbina Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:28pm Subject: RE: Alpha 5 Mist tracking system This system reminds me of the: Static/Ionic "human presence" perturbation sensor that supposedly detected the "static" and "capacitive" displacement of a human body. It was (and still is advertised) as a means of detecting people trying to hide in cargo containers. It looked like a sci-fi movie prop with an antenna sticking out of the pistol grip. It too supposedly worked like a divining rod. They tried to sell some to the Gov't. Fortunately, someone was smart and called them out on the carpet. They set up a battery of tests at Sandia National Laboratories where it was soundly debunked. Sandia reverse engineered it and found "child-like" soldering and fabrication techniques, a maze of wires and a supposed "passive" sensor that turned out to be a hunk of plastic with a lock of human hair inside. Basically, their circuit design didn't jive with accepted EE standards and practices. Incredibly, even after having been debunked, they are still in business hawking their product as an alternative to millimeter wave heart-beat detectors. How they can conduct business with a straight face for a worthless product and actually have people buy it is utterly uncanny and unbelievable. -Guy 11:37 AM 8/15/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Wow, I can't believe that they're still hawking this crap. I had my hands on >this unit over 10 years ago at a surveillance trade show. It's nothing more >than a block of plastic with a telescopic "rabbit ears" t.v. antenna and an >insertable card tray that held what looked like carbon paper. I was told by >the huckster that the trays (purchased seperately of course) held the >molecular composition of whatever you were looking for, be it bugs, >narcotics, explosives etc. The antenna was on a swivel base and would >"point" to the target. You just followed it like a Divining Rod. All that >was necessary was to insert the card of that particular "molecular property" >to make the "Detector" sensitive to that item. You would purchase cards for >each type of eavesdropping device, narcotic or explosive. Today they've >jumped on the bandwagon offering Bio-chemical and GPS cards. > Prime Time or 20/20 did an expose' story on this company where they had >conned some police dept. into buying these units to sniff out drugs in high >school lockers, cars, persons etc. Needless to say that it failed miserably >This company was succesfully prosecuted by the Federal Govt. and paid some >major fines. This product is SO outragious that even CCS won't touch it. Now >THAT tells you something. >Kirk >www.tactronix.com > > 6022 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:19pm Subject: Re: Alpha 5 Mist tracking system Bullshit, utter and complete bullshit. Anybody with even a basic understanding of chemistry, physics, and electronics will realize that the product is a complete fraud, a hoax, a sham, and a con. Heck most first year college student would recognize this product as being a scam. It would be easier to track someone by sniffing their farts from 2500 miles away. What a steaming crock of shit, Of course if the poster of the message with the wild claims would like to fly to Washington DC and perform a demonstration under controlled conditions I will arrange for a dozen or so professionals to evaluate the product and submit their written opinions which I will be happy to publish. -jma At 9:50 AM +0000 8/15/02, k9electron wrote: >Hi, Ive been reading the post on GPS tracking and thought I would >introduce a non GPS/GSM or even battery/mains powered tracking >system with a range of 600Km. > >The crucial, most important feature is that the system is totally >passive. > >There is absolutely no R.F. present. This has been tested with the >best equipment on the market. Furthermore the tracking device or bug >as we call it does not operate by battery power. The size of the bug >is extremely small and they are made in different shapes, the >largest one is like a vitamin capsule. The smallest one is to be >implanted inside a tooth of the object. > >The operational range of the tracking system is guaranteed to 6000 >kilometres. > >Looking at the technologies on the market today, the signal from the >ALPHA FIVE MIST) can not be jammed in any way > >The absolutely main factor here is that the bug is 100% passive. The >suspect will never know that there is anything installed or placed. >More strategically on covert operations because no equipment will >give any indication that an operation is going on. We even can >supply the bugs in metal or plastic versions. Metal detectors, or >non-linear junction detectors will of course not detect the latter. >The truly "invisible" bug is here. > >Nothing else on the market today has these specifications. > >more info at http://www.spy-equipment.co.uk/Tracking/tracking.html > >Glenn > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Ph: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. - Sun Tzu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6023 From: Matt Paulsen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:53pm Subject: RE: Alpha 5 Mist tracking system > Heck most first year college student would recognize this product as being a scam. True, but the sad part is I know a guy that was actually replying to those Nigerian fraud scams and he has a masters in computer science and 10 years of experience in software development doing security products. Lets put that in perspective against Farmer Bob Jones in Hockeypuck, Iowa that uses AOL on a garage sale 14.4k modem using an eMachine his grandson sent him. Knows the security industry, works in it, and is in front of a computer for 4000+ hours a year, probably a good portion of which is Internet based (yes, he has no life, like most coders). Not your average victim, but goes to show anyone can be scammed. I caught a response email from one of the idiots before he got to it and soundly slapped my friend on the back of the head and asked him where his brain was at. It's a numbers game, just like direct mail or telemarketing, just a different industry. (yes, the above is a true story) -----Original Message----- From: James M. Atkinson [mailto:jmatk@tscm.com] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:20 PM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Alpha 5 Mist tracking system Bullshit, utter and complete bullshit. Anybody with even a basic understanding of chemistry, physics, and electronics will realize that the product is a complete fraud, a hoax, a sham, and a con. Heck most first year college student would recognize this product as being a scam. It would be easier to track someone by sniffing their farts from 2500 miles away. What a steaming crock of shit, Of course if the poster of the message with the wild claims would like to fly to Washington DC and perform a demonstration under controlled conditions I will arrange for a dozen or so professionals to evaluate the product and submit their written opinions which I will be happy to publish. -jma At 9:50 AM +0000 8/15/02, k9electron wrote: >Hi, Ive been reading the post on GPS tracking and thought I would >introduce a non GPS/GSM or even battery/mains powered tracking >system with a range of 600Km. > >The crucial, most important feature is that the system is totally >passive. > >There is absolutely no R.F. present. This has been tested with the >best equipment on the market. Furthermore the tracking device or bug >as we call it does not operate by battery power. The size of the bug >is extremely small and they are made in different shapes, the >largest one is like a vitamin capsule. The smallest one is to be >implanted inside a tooth of the object. > >The operational range of the tracking system is guaranteed to 6000 >kilometres. > >Looking at the technologies on the market today, the signal from the >ALPHA FIVE MIST) can not be jammed in any way > >The absolutely main factor here is that the bug is 100% passive. The >suspect will never know that there is anything installed or placed. >More strategically on covert operations because no equipment will >give any indication that an operation is going on. We even can >supply the bugs in metal or plastic versions. Metal detectors, or >non-linear junction detectors will of course not detect the latter. >The truly "invisible" bug is here. > >Nothing else on the market today has these specifications. > >more info at http://www.spy-equipment.co.uk/Tracking/tracking.html > >Glenn > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- James M. Atkinson Ph: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island GroupFax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@tscm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. - Sun Tzu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 6024 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 9:01pm Subject: Bug Problems in the Intelligence Community http://cryptome.org/ic-bugs.htm 15 August 2002 These documents are from the U.S. State Department, Johnson Administration, Foreign Relations 1964-1968, Volume X, National Security Policy, published 15 August 2002. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Source: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/johnsonlb/x/9015.htm 8. Editorial Note Following the discovery of audio surveillance devices or "bugs" in the Great Seal at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, along with the microwave bombardment of that Embassy, the U.S. Government increasingly sought methods to counter this threat to sensitive information. While an NSC subcommittee (NSC Special Committee on Technical Surveillance Countermeasures) had been in existence for many years, during the Kennedy administration the issue engaged the President, the President's Special Assistant for National Security Affairs, the Director of Central Intelligence, and senior Department of State and Defense and FBI officials. A coordinated program was undertaken to install secure facilities in many overseas posts, and regular progress reports on the program were provided to the NSC. Details remain classified. Documents covering the issue are in the Johnson Library, National Security File, Intelligence File, Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Vol. 1, Box 5; ibid., Agency File, Central Intelligence Agency, Vol. II, Box 9; ibid., Subject File, President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Box 41; and ibid., Agency File, Central Intelligence Agency, Filed by LBJ Library, Box 10. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Source: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/johnsonlb/x/9016.htm 27. Memorandum From the Executive Secretary of the Department of State (Read) to the President's Special Assistant for National Security Affairs (Bundy)/1/ /1/Source: Johnson Library, National Security File, Intelligence File, Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Vol. 1 [1 of 2], Box 5. Secret. Washington, April 15, 1964. SUBJECT Audio Surveillance and Countermeasures Problems Within the United States Intelligence Community REFERENCE (a) March 20 memo from Mr. Bundy to the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, and the Attorney General/2/ /2/Dated March 20, 1963; not found. (b) March 12 memo on subject to Mr. Bundy by the Acting DCI/3/ /3/Document 18. (c) August 14, 1963 report of the NSC Special Committee on Audio Surveillance Countermeasures/4/ /4/Not found. In reply to your memorandum of March 20, 1963, appropriate officers of the Department of State have reviewed the referenced Acting DCI memorandum and the annual NSC Special Committee report. 1. The Department would first like to comment on the DCI memorandum of March 12 which in part deals with audio countermeasure activities. The Department's primary role in the field of audio countermeasures is based on the authority and responsibility of the Department as the major foreign affairs agency of the United States Government. We are strongly opposed to any change of leadership in the audio countermeasure community and we object to relinquishing our role as Chairman of the NSC Special Committee or of any resultant new committee that may evolve. The Department of State has been the leader in the U.S. audio countermeasures community since the late 1940's and continues to hold this position today. The Department's position of leadership in the audio countermeasures field has been established by the fact that the Office of Security of the Department of State is responsible for the over-all security of approximately 300 U.S. diplomatic and consular establishments. The Department of State cannot delegate the authority to guide and coordinate audio countermeasures activities to any other agency in view of the Department's responsibility for the security of the greatest bulk of penetration target areas. The Department's position is further supported by having in effect the largest number of trained engineers and technicians in the field supported by a major research and development effort under the guidance of experienced engineers. The present Department of State research and development efforts have been in effect since 1961 and these efforts have been successfully translated into operational countermeasure equipments and techniques. A few specific examples of Department of State accomplishments in this area are the acoustic conference room, the panoramic receiver, the signal recognizer system and standardization of a secure telephone system. Further evidence of the Department's leadership in the audio countermeasures field is witnessed by the fact that Department of State security engineers have been responsible for over 95 per cent of all U.S. Government "finds", including six additional microphones and one transmitter discovery since the NSC Special Committee report of August, 1963. For the same reason [2 lines of source text not declassified] the Department of State feels that it must also chair any audio countermeasures body in view of the Department's primary role in this field. Regarding Sections 7(c) and 7(d) of the DCI report, we wish to make the following comments: (1) Technical Inspections The question of coordination of "sweeps" or technical inspections as stated in the DCI memorandum does not exist. Clear-cut areas of responsibility for the security of our overseas military and diplomatic missions have been long established. The Office of Security of the Department of State is clearly responsible for the over-all security of all U.S. diplomatic representation and has provided security services to all tenant agencies operating within U.S. diplomatic missions abroad. Security within U.S. military installations is clearly a military responsibility and conflict between military and the Department of State interests does not exist. [4 lines of source text not declassified] The Department of State feels that the coordination of countermeasures equipment requirements are best resolved directly in the committee responsible for the coordination of research and development efforts as provided for in the present NSC Special Committee. A division of the operational elements from the research and development elements of any countermeasures body can serve only to delay translation of these requirements into tangible results. This condition characterizes the confusion and lack of progress of the NSC Special Committee during the initial period of its formation. It is the Department's opinion, therefore, that the proposal for a new technical subcommittee to coordinate inspection schedules and stimulate requirements has little foundation. (2) Counter-audio Research and Development The Department of State is in favor of coordinating countermeasure development, equipment and procedure requirements and believes the present NSC Special Committee on Technical Surveillance Countermeasures has made significant progress in this regard within the last three years. The impetus gained by this Committee in translating these requirements into realistic development objects is, in the opinion of the Department of State, a direct result of (a) the growing awareness of all member agencies of the need for close cooperation in establishing policy and program guidelines, and (b) technically competent and experienced leadership of the Special Committee by the Department of State. The Department of State recognizes the need for expansion of basic and applied research within the countermeasures field and for greater coordination of this research among the member agencies. The inability of the present NSC Special Committee to achieve greater progress can be attributed to (1) its lack of member representation of a sufficiently high level of individual authority and technical competence and (2) the unavailability of information concerning current U.S. advances in positive audio surveillance equipment and techniques. The offer by the Acting DCI of cooperation in regard to this latter impeding factor is warmly accepted. The Department of State can see no need for the proposed transfer of the present Special Committee from the NSC to the USIB. Analysis of the Special Committee's structure has not revealed any deficiencies in this body that can be attributed to its relationship with the NSC. However, if such a transfer is determined as being in the best interests of the United States, the Department of State feels that any audio countermeasures body established under the USIB should occupy full committee status. The importance of the efforts of any body concerned with the problem of audio surveillance countermeasures, in view of known existing threats, is of far too major a magnitude to be relegated to subcommittee status. 2. We concur with the recommendations contained in the NSC Special Committee report of August 14, 1963. These recommendations have in fact been enacted during the past three years by the Department of State. The Department of State feels that the Special Committee's report is both timely and comprehensive in view of present day threats against the security of the U.S. Government. However, the Department considers the list of recommendations generated by the Special Committee lacking in one major respect. Specifically, there is needed a recognition of and an appropriate recommendation for action on the present lack of cooperation and exchange of information between the positive Intelligence and the Counter Surveillance Communities. The alarm expressed by the Scientific Guidance Panel in Section II-4 of the Guidance Panel's interim report dated August 19, 1963/5/ was, in the opinion of the Department of State, not well founded. The Scientific Guidance Panel has not reviewed the Department of State's present countermeasure program with the exception of having received a comprehensive briefing in February, 1964 by the Department of State on the present status of our efforts in resolving the Moscow Signal problem. /5/Attached to Document 9. Summary In reply to those recommendations in Sections 7(c) and 7(d) of the DCI memorandum, we submit the following recommendations: (1) That the present Special Committee be retained under the NSC, or if deemed necessary be established as an independent committee under the USIB. (2) That membership of a new audio countermeasure coordinating body be limited to technically-qualified representatives from the Department of Justice, the CIA, the Department of State and the DIA. (3) That the present Technical Subcommittee of the NSC Special Committee be retained as a working technical group with representatives from all U.S. Government agencies having formal technical countermeasure programs in effect. (4) That the Department of State retain chairmanship of any inter-agency audio countermeasures body. John A. McKesson/6/ /6/Printed from a copy that indicates McKesson signed for Read. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Source: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/johnsonlb/x/9015.htm 9. Final Report of the Central Intelligence Agency/Defense Intelligence Agency Scientific Guidance Panel Washington, February 3, 1964. [Source: Johnson Library, National Security File, Intelligence File, Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Vol. 1 [2 of 2], Box 5. Secret. 7 pages of source text (including 5-page Appendix A) not declassified.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Source: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/johnsonlb/x/9015.htm 18. Memorandum From Acting Director of Central Intelligence Carter to the President's Special Assistant for National Security Affairs (Bundy) Washington, March 12, 1964. [Source: Johnson Library, National Security File, Intelligence File, Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Vol. 1 [2 of 2], Box 5. Secret. 7 pages of source text not declassified.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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At 21:19 8/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >Bullshit, utter and complete bullshit. > >Anybody with even a basic understanding of chemistry, physics, and >electronics will realize that the product is a complete fraud, a >hoax, a sham, and a con. Heck most first year college student would >recognize this product as being a scam. > >It would be easier to track someone by sniffing their farts from 2500 >miles away. > >What a steaming crock of shit, > >Of course if the poster of the message with the wild claims would >like to fly to Washington DC and perform a demonstration under >controlled conditions I will arrange for a dozen or so professionals >to evaluate the product and submit their written opinions which I >will be happy to publish. > >-jma > > >At 9:50 AM +0000 8/15/02, k9electron wrote: > >Hi, Ive been reading the post on GPS tracking and thought I would > >introduce a non GPS/GSM or even battery/mains powered tracking > >system with a range of 600Km. > > > >The crucial, most important feature is that the system is totally > >passive. > > > >There is absolutely no R.F. present. This has been tested with the > >best equipment on the market. Furthermore the tracking device or bug > >as we call it does not operate by battery power. The size of the bug > >is extremely small and they are made in different shapes, the > >largest one is like a vitamin capsule. The smallest one is to be > >implanted inside a tooth of the object. > > > >The operational range of the tracking system is guaranteed to 6000 > >kilometres. > > > >Looking at the technologies on the market today, the signal from the > >ALPHA FIVE MIST) can not be jammed in any way > > > >The absolutely main factor here is that the bug is 100% passive. The > >suspect will never know that there is anything installed or placed. > >More strategically on covert operations because no equipment will > >give any indication that an operation is going on. We even can > >supply the bugs in metal or plastic versions. Metal detectors, or > >non-linear junction detectors will of course not detect the latter. > >The truly "invisible" bug is here. > > > >Nothing else on the market today has these specifications. > > > >more info at http://www.spy-equipment.co.uk/Tracking/tracking.html > > > >Glenn > > >-- > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, >Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > James M. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 6026 From: Matt Paulsen Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 10:27pm Subject: DCID 1/21 explained I remember someone asking about DCID 1/21 earlier. Doc format. http://www.afmc.wpafb.af.mil/HQ-AFMC/IN/ins/dcid-1.htm 6027 From: David Alexander Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:26am Subject: Engineer joke An architect, an artist and an engineer were discussing whether it was better to spend time with the wife or a mistress. The architect said he enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid foundation for an enduring relationship. The artist said he enjoyed time with his mistress, because of the passion and mystery he found there. The engineer said, "I like both." "Both?" they asked. The Engineer said "Yeah. If you have a wife and a mistress, they will each assume you are spending time with the other woman, and you can go to the lab and get some work done." _______________________________ David Alexander M.INSTIS Global Infrastructure Director Bookham Technology plc Tel: +44 (0) 1327 356264 Mobile: +44 (0) 7799 881284 Fax: +44 (0) 1327 356775 http://www.bookham.com ======================================================================= This e-mail is intended for the person it is addressed to only. The information contained in it may be confidential and/or protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you must not make any use of this information, or copy or show it to any person. Please contact us immediately to tell us that you have received this e-mail, and return the original to us. Any use, forwarding, printing or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. No part of this message can be considered a request for goods or services. ======================================================================= Any questions about Bookham's E-Mail service should be directed to postmaster@b.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 6028 From: Kirk Adirim Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:02pm Subject: Re; Alpha 5 mist tracking If it can detect a bug or tracking device over a 6000 km distance, that equates to a 12000 km radius, now how many tracking devices are within 12000 km? And in which direction do you run first? I guess you can only place 1 device in a 12000 km radius or confusion reigns supreme. Here's some other vendor of the same product, this one has the pics. http://www.chiare.com/products/spy/moleE.htm http://www.chiare.com/products/PDF/Moledm.pdf "Remember, it takes 42 muscles to frown and only 4 to pull the trigger of a decent sniper rifle." Kirk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 6029 From: Mitch D Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:19pm Subject: better than a gps wristwatch A 42 inch leather belt,like my father had,it always made sure that myself, and my brothers, always gave him verbal reports with reference to our mission,etd,eta,and etr,and ensured prompt performance without being late. This piece of leatherware was muchmore effective as it didnt require dental transponder implants,or gps leg irons as the belt insured perfect performance without any deviation from our submitted itinerary. This piece of gear was in use until we had reached the age of 17 or had moved out to a dwelling of our own.....;) Best of all the only noise it produced was from us for mission and plan failure... Have a great weekend ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com 6030 From: Ben Evans Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:56pm Subject: Kids and Kidnapping on CNN Connie Chung has a "special" on technology tracking kids at 11pm EST on CNN. Couldn't have asked for a funnier time given the recent WherifyWireless discussions going on. :-) Enjoy, -Ben 6031 From: Aimee Farr Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 7:20am Subject: "The FBI U-2 Incident" A toast to the FBI's success. Oh, foiled again. First, Russian counterintelligence beat me to it, and now THIS. http://gazeta.ru/2002/08/15/FSBrapsFBIfo.shtml "FSB raps FBI for hacking Russian hackers" Russia’s domestic intelligence service has accused an FBI official of an unauthorized incursion into Russian computer networks in an attempt to procure evidence proving the guilt of two Russian hackers charged by the US on over 20 counts of computer-related crime, the Federal Security Service (FSB) said on Thursday. If the Russian hackers are convicted on the basis of evidence obtained by the Americans through hackers’ methods, that would mean that the intelligence services of the United States will continue to use illegal ways of gathering information both in Russia and in other countries,'' an FSB spokesman said. [...] ***RANT WARNING *** U-2 (1960) Due to pre-packaging cover stories, planning errors, continuation after complaints, and discoordination (?), Khrushchev fished the flawed cover story for the U-2 overflights to the point where he embarrassed leading decision makers, up to and including the President. Khrushchev also used it to capitulate a summit, and as justification for other "denial" actions. (There is a redneck song with lyrics "that's my story" that tells the tale.) The U-2 was the wedge which soon grew into "the credibility gap" which decapitated American intelligence/counterintelligence and imprinted a generation. Whatever the arguments and their legitimacy, the feedback on this incident "carried the flower of success." This meant more fertilizer for certain gardens. I understand the distinctions, as well as the justifications of this incident, but in some matters, we must consider the perceptions of other countries, the utility of certain allegations in respect of strategy, and the ramifications of certain actions. I would think this is especially true when it implicates target populations in the former Soviet Union with parallel interests and sympathies among target populations in the U.S. I hear some countries have an operational code and will protect groups with subversive potential from outside interference -- of any sort, especially if they are signal carriers. This incident is now in "replay." In addition to wedge-driving, stories like this were later used to attribute illegal and unethical activity to our agencies -- with disturbingly good results. Later, when a question arises, they bolster the credibility of an associated spurious signal. (The U-2 story psychologically underpinned the Soviet suggestions of American responsibility for Korean Airlines 007.) Perhaps we need new coordination and risk assessment on the criminal-international policy front, especially with target populations that wield dual-potential, implicating criminal, national security, and foreign policy concerns. I don't mean to suggest the FBI might start WW III, but it is lurking at the corner of my mind as we transition to nontraditional adversaries and new domains. Also, the FBI is limited in it's ability to respond to certain endeavors. Notably, on the heels of a 'propaganda offensive' is often ....something bad. (It is very proactive and provocative in nature, relying equally on manipulating reality as much as mere perceptions, and concepts of propaganda will blur an important distinction.) Mistakes aren't just easy to make here, they are induced. The old Soviet strategy of "burdening gifts" is worth noting, and I'm not speaking of plants. (They placed certain target populations almost out-of-bounds -- that affected the fates of nations, not just a handful of people.) While most likely opportunistic in nature, this and recent related events were directly used to distance certain populations from American interests and to discourage travel, in coordination with an overall attempt to reduce the profile of the Russian signal and American intelligence in Russia. I question if we have sufficient processes to recognize and reconcile competing considerations. I consider it rather dire that somebody with an appropriately broad frame of reference is balancing what I would hope are now considered long-term strategic interests. If not, history would suggest bad results -- for everybody. Perceptions transition to affect the entire intelligence community. At the time of the U-2 incident, nobody had the foresight to see how perceptual rose gardens grow -- until they blossomed into bodybags in Vietnam. ~Aimee 6032 From: iDEN-i100 Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:21pm Subject: DOC) Responding to Growing Customer Inquiries http://cnniw.yellowbrix.com/pages/cnniw/Story.nsp?story_id=32209158&ID=cnniw&scategory=Telecommunications%3AWireless&