From: dj Date: Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:24am Subject: RE: ASIS DALLAS I will be there at the ASIS conference. Where else does one get to play with the new equipment? Shoot me an email and maybe we can all go out. IT2 garrettar@h... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 9741 From: walshingham2000 Date: Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:28pm Subject: Re: hardware based keyboard loggers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Good Morning.. Hardware based (typically keyboards etc) key logging devices are not usually employed by government surveillance teams. The principal reason is that any target who suspects the presence of such devices, spends $10 USD at Radio Shack for a replacement keyboard. The fix is generally so easy and cheap that it would not merit intrusion etc to implant such a device. Once access to the system components has been gained, more covert options are available. Alan Taylor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.3.6 (MingW32) - WinPT 0.7.92-cvs Comment: GPG HOME BASE v1.1.3-SMTP iD4DBQFBULiN7H26LUxZn78RAhMwAJd47ieBGpz4WMuE5nHYb0lvzzrsAJ47DMqO 6USp9HTKIxNWKkHgybsLWg== =cb/n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 9742 From: Dragos Ruiu Date: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:11pm Subject: New video surveillance law... Url: http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VIDEO_VOYEURS?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT By JIM ABRAMS Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- Calling video voyeurism the new frontier of stalking, the House on Tuesday approved legislation to make it a crime to secretly photograph or videotape people, often for lascivious purposes. Under the legislation passed by voice vote, video voyeurism on federal lands would be punishable by a fine of not more than $100,000 or imprisonment for up to one year, or both. -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Tokyo, JapanNov 11-12 2004 http://pacsec.jp pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp 9743 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:59pm Subject: Re: Re: hardware based keyboard loggers Ah, but not only do these Key Stroke Loggers have multiple built in backdoors, but they are extremely easy to detect with a VLF antenna (even if hidden inside the keyboad). Of course, if it is one cheesy plug-in units you can find then by simply examining the cabling with the naked eye. -jma At 03:37 PM 9/20/2004, John wrote: >Have you folks looked at the retail devices out there: > >http://www.keyghost.com/ > >" New compact design. Huge 2,000,000 Keystroke capacity! Store and >retrieve approx 12 months worth of typing. " > >Another of several: >http://www.amecisco.com/products.htm > >This could be wrapped in material similar to the keyboard cable to >avoid casual inspection. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group Fax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@tscm.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9744 From: Mitch D Date: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:47am Subject: TSCM School reference has anyone ever heard of this school? http://www.enterprisingsecurities.com/training/tec_sur_cm.html the syllabus looks halfway decent,just a lot to cover in 5 days imho,someone had asked me about it......... comments from attendees? ===== Mitch Davis TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc. Nashville,TN.USA MitchD@t... site:www.tscmusa.com. Tel (615)837-9933 FAX (615) 523-0300 Cell(615) 364-6776 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail 9745 From: Date: Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:08am Subject: Fighting mad in Folcroft: Citizens want answers in police bugging incident Fighting mad in Folcroft: Citizens want answers in police bugging incident By CINDY SCHARR , cscharr@d... 09/22/2004 FOLCROFT -- In a strong show of support for borough police, more than 300 people crammed into the municipal gym Tuesday night, many demanding the prosecution of borough Manager Anthony Truscello and council President Joseph Zito for their alleged illegal surveillance of police. "I call on the District Attorney to vigorously prosecute this case," said Kenneth Rocks, national vice president of the Fraternal Order of Police. "Not only does it violate the law, but it violates the rights of the officers." At issue is what was discovered during a raid on borough hall by county detectives in May -- video equipment, about a dozen videotapes, a series of cables and other devices -- including a device used to hook up a tape recorder to a telephone line. Police also have copies of bills showing taxpayers footed nearly $10,000 in bills for the spy equipment. A crowd began gathering well before the 7 p.m. council meeting. Residents wanted to know why their tax dollars were being spent to spy on cops. "Tell me where my money is going," demanded Julia Ford. "Taxes ain’t cheap. Leave my money out of it." Police officers from across the county were on hand to support their colleagues in Folcroft. "The D.A.’s office hasn’t done anything," said FOP President Joe Fitzgerald. "We want it turned over to the state." Union members were there en masse: Teamsters Local 312, Steamfitters 420, Local 98 Electricians, Elevator Operators Local. So were members and officers of the borough’s Boys and Girls Clubs. Shortly before 7 p.m., people began filing into the small council chambers. At one point, some were told to leave because of overcrowding. This prompted the crowd outside to demand the meeting be moved to the gym. At one point, Truscello picked up his cell phone and called the emergency dispatcher to send state police because of the unruly crowd at the meeting. But the state troopers never showed. One of the many officers on hand noted that there were enough police in the building to handle the well-behaved crowd. The meeting was moved, and council took its seats on the bleachers on stage. Truscello hid behind a curtain next to the stage, prompting one person to loudly dub him the "Wizard of Oz." During the public comment portion of the meeting, speaker after speaker expressed outrage at the situation. Many demanded the resignation of Truscello, Zito and council. They also wanted to know who on council approved spending $10,000 on spy equipment. Their questions were never answered. The meeting ended about 8:30. As the large crowd began to disperse, they began to chant, "Truscello must go, Truscello must go." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 9748 From: syndracit Date: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:36pm Subject: Re: Fighting mad in Folcroft: Citizens want answers in police bugging incident Well Maybe what he did was wrong with the taxes and all. But why was he spieng on the police? Maybe they were corrupt? Maybe they were trafficing drugs or abusing there power? Maybe he's to scared to come out with the truth in fear of his life. Something had to trigger him to do this, But are the motives warrented or un-warrented is the question. --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, NoPositiveWork@a... wrote: > Fighting mad in Folcroft: Citizens want answers in police bugging incident > > By CINDY SCHARR , cscharr@d... 09/22/2004 > > FOLCROFT -- In a strong show of support for borough police, more than 300 > people crammed into the municipal gym Tuesday night, many demanding the > prosecution of borough Manager Anthony Truscello and council President Joseph Zito for > their alleged illegal surveillance of police. > > "I call on the District Attorney to vigorously prosecute this case," said > Kenneth Rocks, national vice president of the Fraternal Order of Police. "Not > only does it violate the law, but it violates the rights of the officers." > > At issue is what was discovered during a raid on borough hall by county > detectives in May -- video equipment, about a dozen videotapes, a series of cables > and other devices -- including a device used to hook up a tape recorder to a > telephone line. Police also have copies of bills showing taxpayers footed > nearly $10,000 in bills for the spy equipment. > > A crowd began gathering well before the 7 p.m. council meeting. Residents > wanted to know why their tax dollars were being spent to spy on cops. > > "Tell me where my money is going," demanded Julia Ford. "Taxes ain’t cheap. > Leave my money out of it." > > Police officers from across the county were on hand to support their > colleagues in Folcroft. > > "The D.A.’s office hasn’t done anything," said FOP President Joe Fitzgerald. > "We want it turned over to the state." > > Union members were there en masse: Teamsters Local 312, Steamfitters 420, > Local 98 Electricians, Elevator Operators Local. So were members and officers of > the borough’s Boys and Girls Clubs. > > Shortly before 7 p.m., people began filing into the small council chambers. > At one point, some were told to leave because of overcrowding. This prompted > the crowd outside to demand the meeting be moved to the gym. > > At one point, Truscello picked up his cell phone and called the emergency > dispatcher to send state police because of the unruly crowd at the meeting. But > the state troopers never showed. One of the many officers on hand noted that > there were enough police in the building to handle the well-behaved crowd. > > The meeting was moved, and council took its seats on the bleachers on stage. > Truscello hid behind a curtain next to the stage, prompting one person to > loudly dub him the "Wizard of Oz." > > During the public comment portion of the meeting, speaker after speaker > expressed outrage at the situation. Many demanded the resignation of Truscello, > Zito and council. They also wanted to know who on council approved spending > $10,000 on spy equipment. Their questions were never answered. > > The meeting ended about 8:30. As the large crowd began to disperse, they > began to chant, "Truscello must go, Truscello must go." > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 9749 From: Greg Horton Date: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:08pm Subject: Re: Re: Fighting mad in Folcroft: Citizens want answers in police bugging incident Well, back east, there is a lot of union involvement. Did it ever occur to you that there might be an election coming (November is usually election month) The mayor may have been trying to see who the union was going to back or pick up some intel. No, it had to be drugs. Ya sure. 9750 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:40am Subject: Report: U.S. Airport Screeners Missed Weapons http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=0XILL52R2L204CRBAE0CFFA?type=domesticNews&storyID=6315468 Report: U.S. Airport Screeners Missed Weapons Thu Sep 23, 2004 08:28 AM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Undercover investigators were able to slip explosives and weapons past security screeners during tests at 15 U.S. airports, according to a 2003 investigation by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Results of the department's tests, which were cited Thursday by USA Today, were presented in a classified report to members of Congress while a less detailed version was released by the agency's inspector general on Wednesday. Asked about the report, U.S. Undersecretary for Homeland Security Asa Hutchinson, said on Thursday changes had been made since investigators were able to get past airport security with guns, knives and box cutters in 2003. "That report was a year ago when the tests were made. Changes were made. We improved our training of the screeners and we've tested them since then and the proficiency rate has improved dramatically," Hutchinson told Fox News. USA Today quoted Florida Republican Rep. John Mica as saying the results on weapons were bad enough, but the results on explosives were "absolutely horrendous." "Unfortunately, it may take some horrific wake-up call (for security shortfalls) to get attention," said Mica, chairman of a House aviation subcommittee. The security shortcomings were blamed on poor training and management in the report which also cited the need for better equipment and technology. Airport screeners work for the Transportation Security Administration, a division of the homeland security department. An earlier report in 2003 by the Government Accountability Office had found that undercover agents were able to slip guns, knives and box cutters past screeners, the newspaper said. The TSA told Congress last November the agency would carry out more covert tests of airport baggage and passenger screening staff to see whether they detected simulated terrorist threats. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group Fax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@tscm.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9751 From: contranl Date: Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:10pm Subject: Order a pizza ? . Order a pizza ? http://tinyurl.com/5qy2m :))))))))))))))))))))))) tetrascanner www.tetrascanner.com 9752 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:16pm Subject: Mintoff's government eavesdropped on Libyan phone calls http://www.timesofmalta.com/core/article.php?id=164184 Mintoff's government eavesdropped on Libyan phone calls, book claims Natalino Fenech Eavesdropping equipment the government had that was located at the headquarters of the police Special Mobile Unit at Ta' Kandja in the 1980s was used, it is being claimed, to intercept phone calls made from the Libyan embassy here when relations between the two countries had gone sour. The equipment was also later used to tap phones of prominent Nationalists, a new book says. The book, Libertà Mhedda, by journalist Dione Borg, is being released in a third enlarged edition with new information, photos and interviews. The book deals with the political violence in the 1980s and with the police raid on the PN headquarters, the killing of Nardu Debono, Wilfred Cardona and Raymond Caruana, the police frame-up of Pietru Pawl Busuttil, violence at mass meetings and other violent incidents that took place in the turbulent 1980s. The book has been enlarged with an additional 230 pages from the original edition of 400 pages. Among the documents shown, there is one by the Italian secret service that shows how SISMI, the Italian secret service, found out that eavesdropping equipment given by the Italian government was being used to intercept phone calls between Nationalists. The Italian secret service discovered that the Maltese government then had eavesdropping equipment given by Italian and Libyan governments. The book is based on documents and evidence released in Court in numerous cases and interviews with the protagonists of the era, including the former Labour leader, Karmenu Mifsud Bonnici, Eddie Fenech Adami, Guido de Marco, Louis Galea, former Labour minister Joe Grima, and former GWU general secretary Anglu Fenech. It also contains previously unpublished photos taken from helicopters of the Nationalist supporters trying to make their way into Zejtun for the meeting that was never held because of the violence that erupted. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group Fax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@tscm.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9753 From: Date: Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:55pm Subject: Re: Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam Hi Jim; Thanks for the offer. I wanted to see the film in the movie but just ran out of time. I would appreciate if you could send a copy to me. The kids would like to watch it also. Please send this in VHS form. PS This TSCM group is really great and provides great information for new comers like me !!!!!!!!! Thanks Jim Ed Yagger N2VRT 17 Henderson St. Kenmore, New York 14217 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 9754 From: John <3v1l.hax0r@g...> Date: Fri Sep 24, 2004 0:04pm Subject: simple RF detector? Hello list, I was wondering if it would be possible to make a useful transmitter detector out of a Hand Held Wide Range Receiver like the AR8000 by building a very feeble antenna for it. My reasoning is a receiver that has been modified to only receive strong, very close signals (a few feet) could be useful as an expediant transmitter finder. I am sure there are many pitfalls to this, but might it be useful in some situations? (ie low budget). Thank you for any feedback. -- *I am not a blackhat* 9755 From: Tech Sec Lab Date: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:20pm Subject: Acquisition FYI: LEA just bought AID. Merged. 9756 From: J. Coote Date: Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:34pm Subject: RE: simple RF detector? SHort answer is yes. Experiment around with antennas. There may be a cheap handheld scanner "shorty" antenna with poor performance, or you could put a 50-ohm or DC short on the antenna. Also, does the receiver have an attenuator button as some other AOR products? Depending on the field strength you are concerned about, a pair of of RF diodes set up as a voltage doubler RF detector, and driving a 10 to 50 uA DC meter movement will make a cheap RF detector. You also need a potentiometer and RF bypass capacitors. With a 1/4 wave antenna at 150 MHz, a 1/4 watt signal near 150 MHz eight feet away produced a full-scale deflection in my test unit. This is a detector that does not have to be tuned- the design cost me about $15 US in parts. Its use was to 1. Poke fun at $300 miracle bug detectors in a class I taught. 2. Detect only close, strong fields (You think you have detected it..now, where is it?). 3. 2-way radio service "quickie" tests and to embarass Motorola when they repeatedly could not diagnose an antenna connection problem in a $3,000 portable radio. Jay Los Angeles -----Original Message----- From: John [mailto:3v1l.hax0r@g...] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:05 AM To: tscm-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] simple RF detector? Hello list, I was wondering if it would be possible to make a useful transmitter detector out of a Hand Held Wide Range Receiver like the AR8000 by building a very feeble antenna for it. My reasoning is a receiver that has been modified to only receive strong, very close signals (a few feet) could be useful as an expediant transmitter finder. I am sure there are many pitfalls to this, but might it be useful in some situations? (ie low budget). Thank you for any feedback. -- *I am not a blackhat* ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Yahoo! Groups Links 9757 From: J. Coote Date: Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:34pm Subject: Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? I am looking for a long, telescoping whip antenna (preferably with a spring and 90-deg swivel) and N-male connector for use with a 492BP analyzer. All the telescoping antennas I have seen are never longer than 20 to 24 inches and BNC. I need the longer whip for better performance in the VHF "Low" band, when a discone is not appropriate. Anyone been there, done that? Thanks, Jay 9758 From: Steven Donnell WA1YKL Date: Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:26pm Subject: Re: simple RF detector? Hi, The problem w/ a consumer/Ham grade receiver such as the AR8000, is that it is so poorly shielded that it will receive most/many nearby/strong ambient carriers w/o ANY sort of antenna connected at all. Mind you, Im not trying trash about the AR8K, I have one and use it all the time for assorted TSCM activities,,. Although it does help to understand its weaknesses; One of which is that while you dont have to worry as much about receiving false signals due to "image reception" as you would in many VERY cheap scanners, there is a problem due to spurs on the 1st Local Oscillator that will result in reception of strong carriers that are offset from whatever you have dialed in for a freq by a value of 12.8 MHz(I think,). As to a simple "poor" antenna, in a pinch theres always the classic paper clip. It has worked for me,,. There are several varieties of "ultra stub duck" antennas out there marketed under the Comet and Diamond names. The Comet D32(I think thats the right #) is the same antenna that Optoelectronics sells w/ their Scout freq counter. I think even Radio Snack sells one thats intended for use w/ a scanenr when at a race track, etc. One that you can make yourself is simply a piece of wire or even better RG58 coax, inserted into the center pin of a male BNC connector. Strip off the jacket and sheild from the coax, and trim the center lead back to about an inch or two,,. One technique Ive found handy when using a portable receiver to sniff out a transmitter is by way of signal harmonics: Once you ID a strong ambeint carrier, dial in a freq that is x2, x3 ,x4 or even x7(depending on how high the rec goes,) from the primary(fundemental) freq that you first noticed the signal on. The harmoics(multiples) of the signal should be progressively weaker the higher you go. This should allow you to easily hone in on exactly where the signal is coming from. Enjoy Steve John wrote: > Hello list, > > I was wondering if it would be possible to make a useful transmitter > detector out of a Hand Held Wide Range Receiver like the AR8000 by > building a very feeble antenna for it. > > My reasoning is a receiver that has been modified to only receive > strong, very close signals (a few feet) could be useful as an > expediant transmitter finder. > > I am sure there are many pitfalls to this, but might it be useful in > some situations? (ie low budget). > > Thank you for any feedback. > > -- > > *I am not a blackhat* > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > 9759 From: Michael Puchol Date: Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:00am Subject: Re: Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? Hi Jay, You could use a right-angle N adapter, and make an antenna cut for whatever frequency is needed with a male N connector. Guitar wire or a similar flexible type is also practical if you can hang it from somewhere with nylon, allows you to make longer wips without the rigidity, makes them easy to carry. Regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Coote" To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: [TSCM-L] Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? > I am looking for a long, telescoping whip antenna (preferably with a spring > and 90-deg swivel) and N-male connector for use with a 492BP analyzer. All > the telescoping antennas I have seen are never longer than 20 to 24 inches > and BNC. I need the longer whip for better performance in the > VHF "Low" band, when a discone is not appropriate. Anyone been there, done > that? > > Thanks, > Jay > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > 9760 From: A Grudko Date: Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:07pm Subject: RE: Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? -----Original Message----- From: J. Coote [mailto:TSCM@j...] > I need the longer whip for better performance in the VHF "Low" band, when a discone is not appropriate. Anyone been there, done that? Audiotel Andy Grudko (British), DPM, Grad IS (South Africa) MIS/Grudko Associates, Est. 1981. PSIRA reg. No. 8642 www.grudko.com , agrudko@i... Pretoria HO (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) Branches: Sandton (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) Johannesburg (+27 11) 781 7206 - 781 7207(Fax) Mid Rand (+27 11) 318 1451 - 318 6846(Fax) Cellular (+27) 82 778 6355 - ICQ 146498943 SACI(Pres) SASA, IPA, WAD, CALI, UKPIN, IWWA. "When you need it done right - first time" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 2004/09/15 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 9761 From: J. Coote Date: Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:40pm Subject: Receiver Spurs In a recent thread, someone commented on RF oscillations that originate in our TSCM receivers. I find it helpful to make a spur or birdie chart for each receiver. Connect a 50-ohm pad to the receiver antenna terminal. Some leaky receivers may require a vault or screen room to test. Depending on whether your receiver is computer- driven or not, log and tag the spurs for future reference or type a hardcopy spur list you can laminate and keep in the receiver case. A Spur 101 story: I heard the office background music (local FM station) on a frequency other than the FM station, in a different band. The modulation was FM, but narrow! My first thought was a transmitter picking up room audio, but the signal turned out to be coming from an oscillator in the FM tuner used for MOH and background music in the office. Jay Los Angeles 9762 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:59pm Subject: Re: Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? Have you tried an active rod/monopole antenna? They tend to have superior performance on your lower frequencies, and can be fairly small. Also, consider purchasing, and then modifying a commercial speaker stand. These are normally used by professional musicians to hold heavy speakers, and cost only a few dollars each. Simply replace the center post with a 1.5 inch copper pipe, and solder a solid copper cap to the top. Mount the antenna connector of your choice to the copper cap so that you can screw an element to the top and give your self a really excellent antenna. -jma At 02:34 PM 9/25/2004, J. Coote wrote: >I am looking for a long, telescoping whip antenna (preferably with a spring >and 90-deg swivel) and N-male connector for use with a 492BP analyzer. All >the telescoping antennas I have seen are never longer than 20 to 24 inches >and BNC. I need the longer whip for better performance in the >VHF "Low" band, when a discone is not appropriate. Anyone been there, done >that? > >Thanks, >Jay ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group Fax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@tscm.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9763 From: satcommunitfive Date: Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:22pm Subject: Re: Receiver Spurs Yes I do this too -a very good idea. [birdy charts] The XLT9000 uniden puts out so much IF at all sorts of frequencys I have to turn it off when scanning for items I also use the spectrum analyser program on a PC with the AOR8600 MKII to plot birdys [with a PAD on the antenna] I would like to put in in a sheilded box and scan 1Mhz to 3Ghz and see what comes out using a spec-ann & probe M --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, "J. Coote" wrote: > In a recent thread, someone commented on RF oscillations that originate in > our > TSCM receivers. I find it helpful to make a spur or birdie chart for > each receiver. Connect a 50-ohm pad to the receiver antenna terminal. Some > leaky receivers > may require a vault or screen room to test. Depending on whether your > receiver is computer- > driven or not, log and tag the spurs for future reference or type a hardcopy > spur list you can laminate and keep in the receiver case. > > A Spur 101 story: > I heard the office background music (local FM station) > on a frequency other than the FM station, in a different band. The > modulation > was FM, but narrow! My first thought was a transmitter picking up room > audio, > but the signal turned out to be coming from an oscillator in the FM tuner > used for MOH and background music in the office. > > Jay > Los Angeles 9764 From: satcommunitfive Date: Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:33pm Subject: Re: Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? Buy a loaded whip antenna for the freq you require -the kind that VHF walkie-talkies /2ways use. [very small and deaf] For UHF+ [400 to 3Ghz ]I use mini discones [I make em ! ] then switch to a LOG. or small whip I think most of the comercial equipment looks the part -looks sexy -costs heaps but does not come close to properly designed antennas I also use 3-10DB attenuators on my equip to get rid of the noise floor [sort of] this works well on optoelectronics gear etc. ps ICOM sell a wideband antenna that is quite good FA-B01RE only 16cm long and works OK at VHF M 9765 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:21pm Subject: RE: Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? How low are you trying to get? I mean, the lowest frequency. -jma At 04:07 PM 9/26/2004, A Grudko wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Coote [mailto:TSCM@j...] > > > I need the longer whip for better performance in the > VHF "Low" band, when a discone is not appropriate. Anyone been there, >done > that? > > Audiotel ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group Fax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@tscm.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9766 From: kc0uu Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:04pm Subject: Re: Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? Jay, Try this site... http://www.buddipole.com/budac.html . They hav a nice whip... description: stainless steel (not aluminum!) telescopic whips that extend to 66" and collapse to just 13". The base is standard 3/8-24 threaded brass which is reinforced for durability. Copper sleeves are used between tubes for conductivity. Price is for one whip. I've used their components in ham radio projects and they are all of high quality. While you are there, look at the " Buddipole " portable (man-transportable) HF antenna. I've used the home-made version of that from hotel rooms all over the country with a qrp station. Cheers, JohnM --- In TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com, "J. Coote" wrote: > I am looking for a long, telescoping whip antenna (preferably with a spring > and 90-deg swivel) 9768 From: CP Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:08pm Subject: On Line Electronics Study Courses? Anyone know a good on-line basic electronics study course, probably a ham radio course? I know I can go to ARRL and also find some by searching but I wonder if anyone has good first hand reports? I want to get some basic electronics training as a starting point for my son (19) who has shown an interest in helping with sweeps. He's good on the computer side of things but lacks the electronics background. Thanks Charles Charles Patterson Global Communications Tarrytown, NY cp@t... www.telephonesecurity.com 9769 From: contranl Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:03pm Subject: Re: Receiver Spurs, and Ants . Check out my "Birdies" list of the new Icom-R20 scanner, www.tetrascanner.com in the R20 section I have always wondered if some manufacturers use software-tricks to make it look like a receiver would'nt have any birdies (by changing something only for that specific "birdie" frequency...for example a "secret attenuation") You would have to sweep and measure the whole frequency-range to find such a "hidden" trick. Fantastic idea i get just now.....you find out what sweeping equipment is used by your "target to be bugged" then you bug him on the birdie-frequency from his sweeper...there's a good chance he won't find anything offcourse that's only usefull if the guy has only one piece of equipment :( There is a name for that last trick...hiding a bug under or close to a strong rf-carrier like for example a local broadcast transmitter, i only remember the first letter "S......" A way to avoid birdies in a receiver could be the automatic changing of the mixing-frequencies and oscillators on channels with "problems" ...i have never seen that. Tetrascanner 9770 From: A Grudko Date: Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:04am Subject: RE: Re: Receiver Spurs, and Ants -----Original Message----- From: contranl [mailto:contranl@y...] > There is a name for that last trick...hiding a bug under or close to a strong rf-carrier like for example a local broadcast transmitter, i only remember the first letter "S......" 'Snuggeling' as in "we snuggeled up together under the blanket as the snow fell outside' Andy Grudko (British), DPM, Grad IS (South Africa) MIS/Grudko Associates, Est. 1981. PSIRA reg. No. 8642 www.grudko.com , agrudko@i... Pretoria HO (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) Branches: Sandton (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax) Johannesburg (+27 11) 781 7206 - 781 7207(Fax) Mid Rand (+27 11) 318 1451 - 318 6846(Fax) Cellular (+27) 82 778 6355 - ICQ 146498943 SACI(Pres) SASA, IPA, WAD, CALI, UKPIN, IWWA. "When you need it done right - first time" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 2004/09/15 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 9771 From: dj Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:23pm Subject: Re: On Line Electronics Study Courses? try the NEETS mods with the navy IT2 Garrett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 9772 From: J. Coote Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:39pm Subject: RE: Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? Lowband, 5 or 6 feet would help a lot... 6' = 39 Mhz Jay -----Original Message----- From: James M. Atkinson [mailto:jmatk@tscm.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:22 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com; TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Antennas for Spectrum Analyzer? How low are you trying to get? I mean, the lowest frequency. -jma At 04:07 PM 9/26/2004, A Grudko wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Coote [mailto:TSCM@j...] > > > I need the longer whip for better performance in the > VHF "Low" band, when a discone is not appropriate. Anyone been there, >done > that? > > Audiotel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 381-9111 Granite Island Group Fax: 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 Email: mailto:jmatk@tscm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, and Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS