From: Ray Van Staden Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 5:41am Subject: Digest Number 746 To the Group My anger on Monday was vented against the South African Authorities, not any other country. I am still very bitter & angry at was has happened, it could so easily have been my mother. My mother lives on the neighbouring farm in house on her own, next door lives my cousin & his wife & children On Monday my uncle had gone out 09h00 to count the cattle on his one farm. At 10h45 when he returned home & found my aunt dead next to the safe. It was determined she had put a fight at first, but stood no chance against 4 assailants, they forced her to open the safe, she was apparently on her knees when they shot her through the back of the head execution style. They got what they had come for, then they just murdered her. Between my uncle's farm & town of Memel which is less than 80 Km's, there have been 4 farm murders in one week. Nothing was done to protect or warn farmers. In 1997 there were 443 farm attacks, in 2000 there was 905 farm attacks, more than 100% increase. In the same period farm murders have increased from 84 to 144, a 50% increase. It works out to a farm murder every 2,5 days. Are these people being protected ? What must they do? Must they just allow this murders & attacks to continue? Do you know we have a 3 % conviction rate for all reported crime here in South Africa, meaning 97% of all crimes are successfully committed. Must we continue to accept this? Our fellow man is robbed & slaughtered & nothing is being done about it. Daily I deal with criminal cases which might clients ask me to investigate, I give complete cases which in theory are "water-tight" but due to corruption & back handers, I see these cases collapse due to dockets going missing or vital evidence going missing. Even our so-called "elite" scorpions" are corrupt I am currently busy with case where the Scorpions have colluded with criminals in an attempt to frame an innocent person. In the light what has just happened, I can not just sit back, & let my family & friends become statistics. I now have to reassess how I now do things. Regards Raymond --- From the desk of Raymond van Staden Van Staden and Associates cc P.O. Box 1150 Amanzimtoti 4125 South Africa Tel: +27 (0)31 916-1262 Fax: +27 (0)31 916-1263 Email: raymond@v... Internet: http://www.vanstaden.co.za [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 3993 From: A Grudko Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 0:24pm Subject: Re: American women go to war - Original Message - > > Let us go and fight. The Taliban hates women. Imagine their terror as we crawl like ants with hot-flashes over their godforsaken terrain. James has come up with the ultimate biological weapon - the pre-menopausal Bett Middler or even more dangerous, Saigon-Jane Fonda - let's hope she never has access to the media (yes I know...). (No disrespect intended to the ladies - I have 3 great ones in my household) Chilling out Friday night after a loooong week in SA Andy Grudko South Africa 3994 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 6:21pm Subject: 2-year lag hampers CSIS spycatchers 2-year lag hampers CSIS spycatchers http://www.thestar.com//NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=448d6dab57f87af6&pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1004047483747&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News&col=968793972154 Security agency overworked, underfunded Tonda MacCharles OTTAWA BUREAU OTTAWA - Canada's spy agency is so strapped it takes nearly two years to do a security screening on people who are suspected risks and seeking permanent resident status in Canada, the spies' watchdog body said yesterday. "Of course it should be shorter," said Quebec lawyer Paule Gauthier, who chairs the five-person Security Intelligence Review Committee, the civilian agency that oversees the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. CSIS, Gauthier said, obviously needs more resources - "I think they are stretched to the maximum'' - but she refused to speculate how much more money would be appropriate. She further warned CSIS is facing a shortage of professionals who can translate and analyze intelligence collected and that heavier responsibilities heaped on the agency since Sept. 11 are unrealistic. The new duties include up-front screening of all refugee claimants. Federal cutbacks in the 1990s saw CSIS staff cut by almost a quarter, from 2,700 to 2,061. And while the agency is expected to see a significant increase in its $200 million annual budget, experts warn money alone won't provide any quick fix since it takes roughly five years to fully train an agent. Gauthier's committee reported yesterday that in the year 1999-2000, CSIS conducted 81,650 security assessments on immigrants and refugees applying for landed status. The vast majority of these background checks turned up nothing and were processed quickly. But the 166 cases that required more thorough briefs - identifying security risks that were submitted to the immigration minister - took CSIS an average of between 644 and 661 days to process. Those numbers don't include the screenings CSIS is asked to do on federal government employees seeking security clearances to do their job (32-113 days to process depending on the level of clearance sought), or those on airport workers seeking access to restricted areas (32 days to process), or assessments for accreditation to parliamentary areas or certain events (no processing time identified), according to the annual report on CSIS activities presented yesterday by Gauthier's committee. After last month's terror attacks in New York and Washington, Immigration Minister Elinor Caplan asked CSIS to conduct in-depth screening on all refugee claimants at the "front-end" of the process, or as soon as they enter Canada and apply for refugee status. "We all know now, and we knew before Sept. 11, the importance of this part of their work," said Gauthier. But she suggested Ottawa's expectations are not practical "given the resources they (CSIS) have today. They need more, that's for sure. They need resources and the right persons with the skills. It's very important they have trained and qualified staff.'' The extra $10 million for CSIS announced last Friday by Solicitor-General Lawrence MacAulay is largely targeted for new equipment, she observed. Yesterday, MacAulay said he would evaluate the committee's findings and if more staff and resources are needed for certain tasks, then consideration will be given to them. Meanwhile, Caplan stressed to reporters yesterday there is no expectation that the new up-front security screening of refugee claimants means a full clearance will be done in 72 hours. Under the old system, refugee claimants were not screened until they had refugee status and were applying to become permanent residents. But now, up-front screening means the process will begin as soon as people apply for refugee status. Obvious cases - like those would-be refugees whose names pop up in the CSIS or RCMP database - can be excluded from the process right away. New rules would also give officials the power to pull someone from the refugee hearing system if the full security screening shows links to terrorists or other risks. The committee found overseas agents worked in substandard conditions The SIRC report for 2000-2001 also concluded: Overseas, CSIS liaison officers often work in sub-standard conditions, with poor physical facilities and an "onerous workload" arising from the large numbers of immigration and visa applications requiring security screening. CSIS did not abuse its intrusive wiretap and mail interception powers. SIRC determined by an audit of selected cases that CSIS wiretap activities were usually carried out according to the conditions contained in federal warrants. The Federal Court did not deny any of the 206 warrant renewals or applications by CSIS last year. The SIRC report noted CSIS retained some information collected in one case longer than CSIS operational policy allows to help an allied agency's investigation of a terrorist network. In another case, it collected information on persons not specifically named in a warrant, but legally captured under a "basket clause" in the warrant. (The Supreme Court of Canada has upheld such clauses, SIRC says.) Gauthier agreed with CSIS director Ward Elcock, who told a Commons committee last week the service already has the power to do covert operations abroad. "They are fit to do the job," she said. "I'm not saying they can't improve, but you don't need new powers to have the analysis of all the information you have, to maybe improve on some part of the work you do. But the basic powers that they have are sufficient to do the work.'' -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008jmatk@t... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. Push off, and sitting well in order smite The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths Of all the western stars, until I die. - Tennyson, "Ulysses" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3995 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 6:22pm Subject: Phone call key to cup spy scandal Sean Reeves says the accusations are a stunt. Herald Picture / David White Phone call key to cup spy scandal http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=224827&thesection=news&thesubsection=general 27.10.2001 By EUGENE BINGHAM and TONY WALL A 30-minute phone call between yachting legend Chris Dickson and fellow New Zealander Sean Reeves is the crucial focus of an America's Cup espionage scandal. The Herald can reveal the man accused of trying to sell secret design and technical plans worth $6 million is Reeves, a 40-year-old former lawyer who left Team New Zealand last year and lured others with him to the Seattle-based One World syndicate. He also is accused of trying to pass information about Team NZ. The case hinges on a phone call Reeves made to Dickson, who leads the California-based Oracle Racing team backed by computer billionaire Larry Ellison. Dickson alleges that during the July 17 conversation, Reeves offered to sell him design and technical secrets about One World and Team NZ. But Reeves said yesterday that he and Dickson chatted about old yachting stories and their babies. Reeves denied offering information to Oracle or any other syndicate and said he would sue One World over the allegations. The affair is now before the King County Superior Court in Seattle where One World is seeking an order gagging Reeves and forcing him to return any syndicate information. Documents originally filed in the court referred to the defendant only as "John Doe". Reeves' identity was uncovered in documents obtained by the Herald. He sailed at the Olympics for New Zealand and was involved in the winning America's Cup campaign in 1995. After acting as a legal rules adviser for Team NZ last year, he helped American billionaire Craig McCaw establish a new syndicate. Reeves was involved in signing other team members, including veteran sailor Craig Monk and designer Laurie Davidson. He said yesterday that he created One World and it was "my baby". His departure this year was "mutually negotiated". "I did not resign and I was not sacked," he said. "I did not agree with a certain restructuring proposal and the direction the syndicate was taking." Reeves said the departure agreement included a 12-month restraint of trade and a confidentiality clause. In a declaration to the court filed in California, Dickson said he phoned Reeves back after receiving a message from him. "He said that he held knowledge from the design and technical perspective of the One World programme and the previous Team New Zealand programme. "Reeves also said that he had come to a financial settlement with One World that was less than he had been expecting and that he was looking to recover some of his losses. "Reeves told me that he held line plans, rig plans, keel plans and deck layouts but did not specify for which boats or which teams." After a 30-minute conversation, Dickson said Oracle was not interested in receiving any information. A week later, Dickson rang Reeves and said Oracle had told One World about his offer, but had not named him. Reeves said he phoned Dickson because he had read a magazine article about him and found it amusing. "We spoke on the phone and had a bit of a giggle," he said. "Then we talked about our babies." Reeves said no offer was made to sell or exchange information. "I've had a long association with Chris," he said. "We had some difficulties. We had a bit of a falling out in 1984 - it was a personality clash. Our relationship now is reasonably good." He suggested the allegations - which had "no foundation in law or fact" - were a "stunt" and part of gamesmanship between Oracle and One World. "There is a bigger game between One World and Oracle which will backfire on them." Reeves said the thought of fighting legal action in America was daunting. "I'm training to be a pro-tennis coach, I have a new baby, I'm not on a huge income," he said. "All of a sudden here's the spectre of ... having to defend myself against not one but two billionaires. What are they trying to do? Are they bitter that I'm out there in the big wide world and I hold all this information in my head?" Reeves said information and trade secrets had been swapped between syndicates since last year. He hoped to be involved in the next America's Cup. "But the cup has got to be the best breeding ground of paranoia I've ever witnessed," he said. "No one trusts each other." In a court declaration lodged in Seattle, One World chief executive Gary Wright said the information allegedly offered was worth more than $US2.5 million ($5.9 million). One World lawyer Robert Maguire said in another declaration: "Reeves came as close to disclosing One World's information to Oracle without actually doing so - prevented only by Oracle's refusal to accept any such information." On August 16, Judge Steve Scott granted a One World request for a court deposition to be taken from Dickson revealing the identity of "John Doe". The case is next set down for hearing in Seattle next month. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008jmatk@t... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. Push off, and sitting well in order smite The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths Of all the western stars, until I die. - Tennyson, "Ulysses" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3996 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 11:11pm Subject: Advanced Chemical Weapons Training Manual Online as PDF file Good evening, I just wanted to let the group know that I have uploaded a PDF copy of the Advanced Chemical Weapons training manual I wrote a few years ago to my website. http://www.ostgate.com/advchemw2.pdf As many of you know I have been certified to teach as an Instructor and Master Instructor not only with chemical weapons, but also flash bangs, distraction devices, bean bag rounds and impact munitions, and related tactical things of a technical nature. I have also designed and developed a number of "special tactical goodies that go bang, poof, and light up the night", and have experience actually assembling, manufacturing, and testing various chemical weapons. I have completed formal instructor and master Instructor training from Mace, Federal labs, DEFTEC, National Tactical Officer Associations, numerous other schools, and can literally teach SWAT/ERT teams and make other Instructors. I am literally one of the "Instructor who teaches the other instructors" (there are less then 50 of us in the entire world). In the event that you like the manual I would appreciate at least some kind of small token of your thanks for each copy (beer money, agency patch, thank you note, coffee mug, agency photo, team pic, first born, etc). Please feel free to pass along the link to the PDF file, an let me know what you think. Please feel free to offer back some suggestions as to how it can be improved. Read it in good heath, and be safe out there. -jma -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008jmatk@t... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. Push off, and sitting well in order smite The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths Of all the western stars, until I die. - Tennyson, "Ulysses" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3997 From: Aimee Farr Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 11:42pm Subject: Urban Combat: Lessons from Russia Review: not as good as Mortal Kombat. @ http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1289/MR1289.ch4.pdf "Furthermore, if the Russians improved on some aspects, they ignored others......They continue to have trouble with secure voice communications." ---(full article)--- http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1289/ Russia's Chechen Wars 1994-2000 : Lessons from Urban Combat. ~Aimee "It's always Russia, Russia, Russia..." [parody Brady Bunch] 3998 From: Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 8:45am Subject: Check out Who did it? Foreign Report presents an alternative view Click here: Who did it? Foreign Report presents an alternative view 3999 From: Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 2:08pm Subject: presents an alternative view - corrected url http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr010919_1_n.shtm l 4000 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 1:33pm Subject: RE: Check out Who did it? Foreign Report presents an alternative view The link you gave went to an ad. I believe this is the document you were referring to. http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr010919_1_n.sh tml Matt -----Original Message----- From: MACCFound@a... [mailto:MACCFound@a...] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 10:45 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Check out Who did it? Foreign Report presents an alternative view Click here: Who did it? Foreign Report presents an alternative view ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight; nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety; is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions and blood of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 4001 From: Paolo Sfriso Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:22am Subject: U.S. Government Compendium of Weapons of Mass Destruction Dear Colleagues. Following is a link to a downloadable 137 page "Adobe" document related to training facilities for WMD response personnel. http://www.usfa.fema.gov/pdf/cwmdc.pdf Kind Regards. Your Italian Connection. Paul Sfriso Director GRUPPO S.I.T. Security, Investigations & Tecnology Quarto d'Altino, Venice ITALY phone +39 0422 828517 fax +39 0422 823224 24hr GSM cellphone +39 335 5257308 www.grupposit.com paulsfriso@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4002 From: Dawn Star Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:57am Subject: For What? Now that we have all been convinced to surrender a chunk of our privacy rights in the name of anti-terrorism, here are the disposable cell phones that make all of this rights crushing meaningless. For $30.00 a terrorist can change cell phones twice a day and never be heard, He just has to drop down to his local 7-11 and in 2 minutes pick up a fresh phone number. Now we damn near have warrantless invasion of all our communications and our homes for what? Roger http://www.hop-onwireless.com/ http://www.telespree.com/products/main_rtg.html 4003 From: Paolo Sfriso Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 0:22pm Subject: Suggestions and photos for TSCM service webpages Dear Colleagues. I am trying to finally get our website running which will contain a few pages (in Italian) dedicated to our TSCM services. Does anybody have any suggestions on the dos and donts for a functional TSCM service webpage ? Spare photos of bugs and sweep equipment would also be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards. Paul Sfriso Director GRUPPO S.I.T. Security, Investigations & Tecnology Quarto d'Altino, Venice ITALY phone +39 0422 828517 fax +39 0422 823224 24hr GSM cellphone +39 335 5257308 www.grupposit.com paulsfriso@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4004 From: Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:17am Subject: Re: TSCM books by member of Group Dear All Could Mr G Whidden who I believe is a member of this group please contact me reference some of his books which I wish to purchase. Regards Tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4005 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:59pm Subject: Re: For What? Don't tell me that you JUST NOW discovered this? [tongue is cheek] Your best bet is to go down to your local radio Shack or 7-11 and buy 2-3 disposable phones under an alias, and then every time you go out of town buy 2 or 3 more (all under different aliases). After a year or so you will have several dozen phones, but I would caution you to only use said phone when you are in the area in which you actually purchased them, or somewhere away from your primary area. After so many much usage simply let the phone go dead, remove the battery, and toss the old unit into a box. The key to all of this is to have then set up under an alias, but otherwise an completely legitimate account, and keep the accounts current and paid. If you go the prepaid route you will need to refresh your cards every 60 days or so unless you can find some balloon cards (good for 12 months or 1000 hours) Perfectly legal, but it will drive the eavesdroppers totally nutz (which as TSCM professionals is the goal). You can also mix and match the carriers such as Nextel, Omnipoint, Verizon, and Cellular One, but dedicate one phone to each carrier. When properly set up the eavesdroppers start going nutz after about the sixth phone. For example I have several phones that I only use in DC, another set for Chicago, another Montreal, and still another in NYC, LA, etc. This is addition to my primary phone (which is useful for passing false information to any spy that is eavesdropping, which is why AMPS is sometimes good to use). I also have a dedicated phones which I only use when I am in the UK or Europe (under an alias). Personally, I have one phone that I use for my day to day communications, and a suitcase of "special phones" for use during sweeps, or travels where I want commo, but don't want to give up my ID or location... But when at all possible, I try to avoid using any kind of wireless communications. I also make use or INMARSAT, IRIDIUM, and several similar services (some under my real name, and some under an alias; but totally above board and paid up). -jma At 8:57 AM -0800 10/29/01, Dawn Star wrote: >Now that we have all been convinced to surrender a chunk of our privacy >rights in the name of anti-terrorism, here are the disposable cell phones >that make all of this rights crushing meaningless. For $30.00 a terrorist >can change cell phones twice a day and never be heard, He just has to drop >down to his local 7-11 and in 2 minutes pick up a fresh phone number. Now >we damn near have warrantless invasion of all our communications and our >homes for what? >Roger > > >http://www.hop-onwireless.com/ > >http://www.telespree.com/products/main_rtg.html -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008jmatk@t... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. Push off, and sitting well in order smite The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths Of all the western stars, until I die. - Tennyson, "Ulysses" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4006 From: sdonnell Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:25pm Subject: Re: For What? Hi, One problem w/ these "pay as you go" phones, is that they wont accept incoming calls(yet). But I supose you could cure this in part by getting a pager at the same 7-11... Steve "James M. Atkinson" wrote: > > Don't tell me that you JUST NOW discovered this? [tongue is cheek] > > Your best bet is to go down to your local radio Shack or 7-11 and buy > 2-3 disposable phones under an alias, and then every time you go out > of town buy 2 or 3 more (all under different aliases). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4007 From: A Grudko Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:38am Subject: Re: For What? - Original Message - From: Dawn Star > Now we damn near have warrantless invasion of all our communications and our > homes for what? To give Papa Bush and Baby Bush another step towards their New Word Order. Here in South Africa we have a mindless 24 hour TV show which calls itself 'Big Brother'. It's a voyueristic European concept of self-imposed surveillance and (self-degradation) which I have not heard of in a US context other than the movies 'The Truman show' and 'Mr Ed'. I see irony here in that the 'contestants' on this show no nothing of the events of 9/11 and the resultant loss of liberty in the US. Incidentally, I have no objection to surveillance being used for crime prevention and detection. I just doubt the intentions of politicians of any party or country to leave it in the hands of straight law enforcement and intelligence offices. Andy Grudko. D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 National and international crime investigation, intelligence and protection Johannesburg (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax), Pretoria (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust, AmChamCom When you need it done right - first time 4008 From: A Grudko Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 0:37am Subject: Disposable phones - Original Message - > Hi, One problem w/ these "pay as you go" phones, is that they wont > accept incoming calls(yet). But I supose you could cure this in part by > getting a pager at the same 7-11... Steve Now my interest is peaked. We have 'free' (GSM) cell phones in South Africa but only if you sign up for a contract. We also have prepaid accounts but they operate in normal full feature 'phones - one would not usually think of the 'phone as 'disposable' although the card is if you don't mind loosing the number. This obviously is not a problem if you can't receive calls. Do they even have an IMEI number (all our 'phones have a unique 15 digit ID code which assists in tracking use)? Are these GSM 'phones? At $30 they must be very basic - as jma implied, probably the battery is worth more than the electronics. Just curious. 4009 From: A Grudko Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 0:46am Subject: Cell phone range Talking about cell phones Is a GSM 'phone's range limited by the time it takes for data to be exchanged? I don't know much about cellular technology, but as a silly example, if I was 250 000 000 metres away on the moon, assuming there was enough RF to get a signal, would the one second delay each way stop the GSM data stream? If so, does anyone know what the range constraint is that this implies? Just a thought I had in trying to assist a client in getting better cellular coverage in more remote parts of Africa. Andy Grudko. D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 National and international crime investigation, intelligence and protection Johannesburg (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax), Pretoria (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust, AmChamCom When you need it done right - first time 4010 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:14am Subject: Re: Cell phone range Once upon a midnight dreary, A Grudko pondered, weak and weary: > Talking about cell phones > Is a GSM 'phone's range limited by the time it takes for data to > be exchanged? No. I don't know much about cellular technology, but as > a silly example, if I was 250 000 000 metres away on the moon, > assuming there was enough RF to get a signal, would the one > second delay each way stop the GSM data stream? You have a lot of givens. > If so, does anyone know what the range constraint is that this > implies? Just a thought I had in trying to assist a client in > getting better cellular coverage in more remote parts of Africa. Range is real simple. You have to radiate a loud enough signal from the source to overcome path loss to generate a loud enough signal at the receiver's antenna input to provide a usable signal. Many factors enter into things. Path loss increases with frequency. Directional antennas concentrate whatever signal you do generate in the direction where it will do you the most good. Presuming the higher frequencies where GSM lives, you might even run into the curvature of the Earth as being a factor, where you would not be able to use skipping off the ionosphere as a factor. There are formulas for all this stuff, where you start with ERP, subtract path loss, loss from penetrating other objects between the transmit and the receive antenna, calculate antenna gains, feedline losses, connector losses (not insignificant at higher frequencies), etc. and you ultimately arrive at a signal strenth of X dBm at various distances and countours of the land, from the signal source. If your signal is loud enough according to the math, you will have coverage. If not, you won't. You also have to factor in interference from the reuse of frequencies which is very common in cellular systems. There are only a certain number of channels, and a certain bandwidth available for each service. To accommodate the number of users wishing to use the system, frequencies must be reused which means of necessity, cells must be small. Have your client put up a high gain resonant directional antenna as high above the ground as he can arrange, fed with low loss feedline, and rotate the whole assembly in the general direction of the closest cell site for the strongest receive signal. That should improve his range significantly, as long as he is on the extreme fringe of the system and would not be tickling more than one cell at a time. There are cellular repeaters (translators, actually) commercially available, which regenerate cell signals into difficult high path attenutation areas like hospitals, but they may not be practical as you still need a loud enough signal into them for them to reradiate it. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 4011 From: Jānis Balklavs - Grīnhofs Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:53am Subject: Re: Cell phone range For GSM system the range is about 17km (17,000 metres) if my memory serves me well, limited by system technical specification. Technicaly it is limited by signal delay time system can compensate. GSM is a time-sharing system and reply from mobile subscriber must get into designated time slot. For less populated rural areas it is possible to double this range at the expense of voice channels per frequency - say 4 instead of 8. If you wish to know exactly, I'll check it later. Hope this helps. Janis Balklavs-Grinhofs "A Grudko" co.za> cc: Subject: [TSCM-L] Cell phone range 30.10.2001 08:46 Talking about cell phones Is a GSM 'phone's range limited by the time it takes for data to be exchanged? I don't know much about cellular technology, but as a silly example, if I was 250 000 000 metres away on the moon, assuming there was enough RF to get a signal, would the one second delay each way stop the GSM data stream? If so, does anyone know what the range constraint is that this implies? Just a thought I had in trying to assist a client in getting better cellular coverage in more remote parts of Africa. Andy Grudko. D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , 4012 From: Jānis Balklavs - Grīnhofs Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 11:48am Subject: Re: Cell phone range Sorry, I was wrong in my previous mail. As written in Nokia GSM System Training Document: The maximum theoretical distance from base station to the edge of the cell is 35 kilometres. The timing advance is adapted for these distances (that is the ability of mobile station (phone) to send bursts in advance so they arrive in the base station in the right timeslot). These larger cells mentioned are then 70 km in radius. Regards, jbg 4013 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 11:39am Subject: RE: Cell phone range Motorola has some very nice directional panels and base stations for nearly all ranges to extend communications. I've been using them since the early 90's late 80's with high success. We coined them "bricks" in our little group of folks around here.. They weigh as much and tend to look like them. I don't know much about GSM.. Haven't really had the need to deal with it... Here's a few links. http://www.gd-decisionsystems.com/radiosystems/pdf/antenna.pdf http://www.motorola.com/GSS/SSTG/RSO/PDF/Antenna_sprd.pdf http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MRF18030BS&n odeId=01M939843525973 -----Original Message----- From: Jānis Balklavs - Grīnhofs [mailto:Janis.Balklavs-Grinhofs@l...] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:53 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Cell phone range For GSM system the range is about 17km (17,000 metres) if my memory serves me well, limited by system technical specification. Technicaly it is limited by signal delay time system can compensate. GSM is a time-sharing system and reply from mobile subscriber must get into designated time slot. For less populated rural areas it is possible to double this range at the expense of voice channels per frequency - say 4 instead of 8. If you wish to know exactly, I'll check it later. Hope this helps. Janis Balklavs-Grinhofs "A Grudko" co.za> cc: Subject: [TSCM-L] Cell phone range 30.10.2001 08:46 Talking about cell phones Is a GSM 'phone's range limited by the time it takes for data to be exchanged? I don't know much about cellular technology, but as a silly example, if I was 250 000 000 metres away on the moon, assuming there was enough RF to get a signal, would the one second delay each way stop the GSM data stream? If so, does anyone know what the range constraint is that this implies? Just a thought I had in trying to assist a client in getting better cellular coverage in more remote parts of Africa. Andy Grudko. D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight; nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety; is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions and blood of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 4014 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 0:55pm Subject: Mark Barrueta Banned from the Group Good Afternoon, I just wanted to let the list membership know that "Mark Barrueta" has now been officially banned from the group until he matures sufficiently to understand how to behave as an adult in a civil manner and learns that the respected members or this TSCM community will not be a part of any unlawful activity, nor will they supply him with goods which he can not legally possess. He is also banned until he can learn to be more discrete in his affairs, learns to maintain professional courtesies and confidentiality, and learns that doing business with (and/or endorsing) people, products, businesses, and organizations commonly recognized within the industry as "crackpots, con artists, mental patients, and felons" is seriously frowned upon. -jma -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008jmatk@t... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. 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One official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said new warrants and subpoenas seeking newly available information may be served on targets ``within a couple days.'' In one concession to privacy concerns, FBI and Justice officials said they will not typically change the government's ``Carnivore'' Internet surveillance technology to collect more personal data than was gathered previously, except in limited cases. Legal experts generally agree that the new laws allow the FBI to use Carnivore, renamed the ``DCS-1000,'' to more broadly monitor a person's Web surfing with only perfunctory approval by a judge. ``Individual circumstances may justify a broader filter setting (for Carnivore) ... but even those would be authorized by the Department of Justice,'' said Thomas Gregory Motta, the FBI assistant general counsel. ``We're not waiting for the statute to pass so we can suddenly change all the filter settings,'' said a Justice official who asked not to be identified. Another Justice official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said government lawyers ``take it upon ourselves to interpret the statutes in ways we think are wise and will stand the test of time, and we'll have to see how this plays itself out.'' Still, an expert hired by Justice to review the technology expressed disappointment that investigators are being given more latitude to use Carnivore even though problems identified in an oversight study last year remain unresolved. ``Some of these problems need to be fixed,'' said Henry Perritt Jr., head of Justice's own review panel and dean of the Chicago-Kent College of Law. The Justice Department e-mailed the new legal rules to the country's most cyber-savvy federal prosecutors. It also released new secret guidelines for tracking spies and foreign terrorists under a powerful 1978 anti-espionage law but those new rules were classified. Critics said that perhaps most surprising was what the Justice Department didn't tell prosecutors, that lawmakers who wrote the new anti-terrorism statutes do not believe the government should be allowed to record some types of Web searches without a wiretap order from a judge. ``They're doing that on purpose so that prosecutors interpret it as broadly as they can,'' charged Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., a member of the House Judiciary Committee, which helped write the law. ``They want to get as much information as they can, and I suspect they want to get a lot more information than they were intended.'' Perritt said allowing Carnivore to record Web addresses without wiretap orders is problematic because they disclose such sensitive information as where a person spends time on the Internet. ``The (Justice) guidelines don't go far enough'' in specifying what can not be collected, he said. Privacy experts have cautioned that some Web addresses can identify books a person reads or topics someone researches online, such as medical problems. The new Justice guidelines, which don't mention Web addresses, identify a few types of data that police can collect but tell prosecutors to call them about what else might be permitted. ``They don't even try to resolve that question here,'' said James Dempsey, a lawyer with the Center for Democracy and Technology, a Washington civil-liberties group. A lawyer with another civil-liberties group, David Sobel of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, agreed. ``They don't seem to want to go on record,'' he said. ``There should have been specific lang uage that took into account the technical issues.'' The government also suggested in its new rules that under some conditions authorities can secretly search a house without telling the homeowner for up to three months. Government lawyers acknowledged that these secret searches should be ``an infrequent exception'' to traditional searches, where homeowners are notified immediately. They also told prosecutors to expect additional guidance in coming weeks, and they noted that some courts have required notice of a search after as little as seven days, not 90 days. AP-NY-10-30-01 0357EST 4016 From: Aimee Farr Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:12pm Subject: RE: Guidelines Instruct on Terror Laws Download (redacted): http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/DOJ_guidance.pdf ~Aimee 4017 From: Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 2:31pm Subject: Something interesting Thought everyone would enjoy this, been going to schools most of my life, and all I had to do was go to: http://pimall.com/nais/bk.tscmc.html Enjoy Steve P Advanced Countermeasures [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4018 From: A Grudko Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:05pm Subject: Re: Suggestions and photos for TSCM service webpages - Original Message - > Spare photos of bugs and sweep equipment would also be greatly appreciated. My site is being re-engineered but under 'Technical' if you are quick you can copy some of our original photos of a sweep and an FM TX we found about 4 years ago, but my webmaster might take them off the site literally tomorrow in our revamp. All TSCM-list members are welcome to use the pics as long as we get accreditation to the effect of "Courtesy of Grudko Associates, South Africa - www.grudko.com"). I also have a stack of other similar original TSCM 'photos that used to be on our 'photo gallery' page which we discontinued about a year ago. Regards Andy Grudko. D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 International business intelligence and investigation Johannesburg (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax), Pretoria (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust, AmChamCom When you need it done right - first time 4019 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:08pm Subject: Anthrax attacks' 'work of neo-Nazis' Anthrax attacks' 'work of neo-Nazis' http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,582222,00.html War on Terrorism: Observer special Ed Vulliamy in New York Sunday October 28, 2001 The Observer Neo-Nazi extremists within the US are behind the deadly wave of anthrax attacks against America, according to latest briefings from the security services and Justice Department. Experts on 'survivalist' groups and extreme-right 'Aryan' militants have been drafted into the investigation as the focus shifts away from possible links with the 11 September terrorists or even possible state backers such as Iraq. 'We've been zeroing in on a number of hate groups, especially one on the West Coast,' a source at the Justice Department told The Observer yesterday. 'We've certainly not discounted the possibility that they may be involved.' The anthrax crisis, which grew last week, had by Friday night spread to mailrooms at CIA headquarters, the Supreme Court and a hospital, and yesterday three traces were found in an office building serving the US Capitol. 'There are a number of strong leads, and some people we know well that we are looking at,' the Justice Department said. 'These are groups organised into militia and "survivalist" movements - which pull out of society and take to the hills to make war on the government, and who will support anyone else making war on the government.' Investigators are examining threatening letters sent to media organisations - some dated before the 11 September attacks - which did not contain anthrax but contained similar messages and handwriting style as those which later did. The theory is that the anthrax attacks were planned - and the killer germ was obtained and treated - long before the carnage of 11 September. Speaking to The Observer yesterday, the Justice Department official said: 'We have to see the right wing as much better coordinated than its apparent disorganisation suggests. And we have to presume that their opposition to government is just as virulent as that of the Islamic terrorists, if not as accomplished. 'But that is, in its way, one of the most compelling possible leads in the anthrax trail - that it is not really al-Qaeda's style, but rather that of others who sympathise with its war against the American government and media.' The official said the investigation had, in the past week, drafted in special teams from the Civil Rights division of the department to reinforce the international terrorism teams. The American neo-Nazi Right is motivated above all by its loathing of the federal government, which it believes is selling out the homeland to a 'New World Order' run by masons and Jews. Its insane politics have propelled numerous attacks and armed stand-offs over the past eight years, culminating in the carnage at Oklahoma. Now the anthrax investigation is zooming in on possible connections between these neo-Nazis and Arab extremists, united by their mutual anti-Semitism and hatred of Israel. Such alliances have been common among neo-Nazis in Europe, but have played a lesser role in the US. However, monitoring of the hate groups shows they are now embracing al-Qaeda's terrorism as commendable attacks on the federal government. Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal centre in Los Angeles said that at a meeting in Lebanon this year, US neo-Nazis were represented alongside Islamic militants. 'There's a great solidarity with the point of view of the bin Ladens of the world,' said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Centre, which monitors the far right. 'These people wouldn't let their daughters near an Arab, but they are certainly making common cause on an ideological level. They see the same enemy: American culture and multiculturalism.' Neo-Nazi websites, including the largest umbrella organisation, the National Alliance, show support for al-Qaeda. Billy Roper, the alliance's membership coordinator posted a message within hours of the 11 September attacks, reading: 'Anyone who is willing to drive a plane into a building to kill Jews is all right by me. I wish our members had half as much testicular fortitude.' Another group, Aryan Action, praised the attacks of 11 September, saying: 'Either you're fighting with the Jews against al-Qaeda or you support al-Qaeda fighting against the Jews.' Others outwardly support the anthrax mailing. One message, entitled 'No Sympathy for the Devil', was posted in several chat rooms by right-winger Grant Bruer, whose racist writings are circulated among supremacist groups. It reads: 'Is there not a single person who has received these anthrax letters that isn't an avowed enemy of the white race? Tom Brokaw, Tom Daschle and the gossip rag offices have all been 100 per cent legitimate targets. Who among us has the slightest bit of sympathy for these pukes?' Right-wing groups have had an interest in anthrax and other biological agents. A member of the Aryan Nation group once bragged he had a stash of anthrax from digging up a field where cows had died of the disease in the 1950s. Larry Wayne Harris was arrested after trying to obtain three vials of bubonic plague from a mail-order science company. The trail leading investigators to groups from the domestic ultra-right - rather than the al-Qaeda terror network - comes as a dramatic twist in the confused crisis. Last week, parallel evidence appeared to be linking the now rampant anthrax attacks to another trail: leading from Iraq and through the Czech Republic, with al-Qaeda militants as the likely couriers. The shift in the investigation echoes that which followed America's other infamous terrorist attack: the destruction of the federal government building in Oklahoma City in 1995. The bombing was initially thought to be the work of Arab extremists, but turned out to be the work of the Aryan supremacists. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008jmatk@t... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4020 From: Miguel Puchol Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:01pm Subject: RE: Cell phone range Hi Andy, In GSM networks, there is a parameter called Timing Advance (TA), which is calculated and used by the mobile terminal to determine how much in advance it has to send it's data to the cell, so that it reaches it within the allocated timeslot (hence the name). This parameter can have a maximum value set for the individual cells, so that a terminal that exceeds a certain TA value cannot register with a particular cell, even if it is within RF range. The cell power is also adjusted, so that you can configure very accurately the 'size' of the cells. In large cities we have begun to see lots of picocells, that use very little RF power, and have tiny antennas, dotted around all over the place, rather than large masts on top of buildings. These cells have a maximum 'range' of about 500 meters. So, the answer to your question is that yes, if the allowable TA is the approx. 1 second it takes to get to the moon, the phone should be able to communicate with a cell placed there. It all depends on the owner of the cellular system setting the TA to the maximum allowed value, for rural or remote cells. Here in Spain this maximum value allows a terminal to register with a cell up to some 30km away (past this it's a problem of power rather than timing). Network infrastructure manufacturers also have maximum values 'built-in' to the control systems. These distance constraints are also implemented to avoid inter-cell or inter-terminal interference, as cell frequencies are reused frequently. This would imply that if you stood on top of a mountain, your terminal could be transmitting on the frequency used by a few cells in it's range, not just one, causing obvious problems. If you need more detailed info I can look into a very good GSM book I have, and/or point you to the relevant ETSI documents - although I don't recommend them unless you have a good supply of aspirin (for the headache they give you). Hope this helps, all the best, Mike > -----Mensaje original----- > De: A Grudko [mailto:agrudko@i...] > Enviado el: martes, 30 de octubre de 2001 7:47 > Para: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com > Asunto: [TSCM-L] Cell phone range > > > Talking about cell phones > > Is a GSM 'phone's range limited by the time it takes for data to be > exchanged? I don't know much about cellular technology, but as a silly > example, if I was 250 000 000 metres away on the moon, assuming there was > enough RF to get a signal, would the one second delay each way > stop the GSM > data stream? > > If so, does anyone know what the range constraint is that this > implies? Just > a thought I had in trying to assist a client in getting better cellular > coverage in more remote parts of Africa. > > > Andy Grudko. D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 National and international crime investigation, intelligence and protection Johannesburg (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax), Pretoria (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust, AmChamCom When you need it done right - first time ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight; nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety; is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions and blood of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 4021 From: A Grudko Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 3:02am Subject: Re: Re: Cell phone range - Original Message - From: Steve Uhrig > > Is a GSM 'phone's range limited by the time it takes for data to > > be exchanged? > Range is real simple. You have to radiate a loud enough signal > from the source to overcome path loss... I'm familiar with propogation. It's the digital side of GSM that I don't understand. I'm old enough to remember transatlantic 'phone calls where the delay was such that you consiously spoke in single paragraphs with an obvious 'stop' at the end to avoid talking over each other. Today I get on the 'phone to a buddy 12 time zones away and the call is full duplex with no noticable delay. Maybe the speed of light increased in the past 20 years... We have a local radio station that broadcasts on 702 kcs AM and on 12 gig satellite. Guess what - the 1930's style AM signal gets to my house about half a second before 2001's technology does... I still think there's a finite range to GSM because of the need to exchange data but perhaps at 300 000 km/sec you run out of RF long before your bits start tripping over your bytes - I'm only trying to give them about 200 km range, there's a high site and I have a 15 db corner reflector and a bit of Belden 9114 coax to play with. Anyway, this starts to look like hams chewing the fat. I don't think I should clog up this list with that topic. I'm off this afternoon with my cable tracer to find out where a suspicious 'double jumper' leads. I found it on a PABX frame last week. Heck, it's probably just an answering machine or a cordless 'phone but at whatever an hour it puts food on the table. Andy Grudko. D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 International business intelligence and investigation Johannesburg (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax), Pretoria (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust, AmChamCom When you need it done right - first time